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CUSA Fan
03-06-2005, 06:54 AM
Maybe we can have one person represent each conference and give their take on the conference awards such as POY, Freshman of the Year, Coach of the Year, 1st team all conference, etc.. And we can combine it into one big thread and open it for discussions...

UKFan33
03-06-2005, 07:51 AM
Yeah, I plan on doing that for the SEC awards...

CUSA Fan
03-06-2005, 08:08 AM
Of course, I'll be doing the CUSA, you'll be doing the SEC, I'm sure VC would do the Big 10 if he opted to participate. Then we would be left with the ACC(whom S.Livingston is a fan of, maybe he could do it), the Big 12, Big East, and Pac-10(maybe Shard?).

Voodoo Child
03-06-2005, 09:33 AM
I could handle the Big 10 and the Big East (if we can't find someone to do it). Good idea!

UKFan33
03-06-2005, 09:34 AM
I know for fact that Voodoo will help out...He really enjoys this kind of stuff as do I...

EDIT: I'll do Big 12 if needed...

CUSA Fan
03-06-2005, 09:41 AM
When should we make these due by?

UKFan33
03-06-2005, 10:05 AM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CUSA Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">When should we make these due by?</div>

I'd say next Sunday, because all games will officially be over, and it'll be time for some March Madness!!!

Voodoo Child
03-06-2005, 11:40 AM
BTW - UK... are you still up for doing the Bubble Watch? I think if we do that, we should get it posted by at least tomorrow or Tuesday, because Selection Sunday is the 13th. There are less teams on the bubble now. If you're not up to it anymore, that's cool. I could handle it.

Also, how do you want to display our picks? Just the regular format -

MVP:
ROY:
1st Team:
etc

Or something else? Also, should we write anything about why we chose the team/players? And what awards should we dole out?

Voodoo Child
03-06-2005, 12:02 PM
MVP: Dee Brown
(should we follow the G-G-F-F-C format?)
1st Team: Dee Brown, Alan Anderson, Deron Williams, Bracey Wright, and Mike Wilkinson
2nd Team: Alando Tucker, Jeff Horner, Luther Head, Greg Brunner, and Carl Landry
3rd Team: Maurice Ager, Terence Dials, Aaron Johnson, Vincent Grier, and Paul Davis
Freshman of the Year: DJ White
That's a rough draft of mine.. what else should I add?

Moo2K4
03-06-2005, 12:06 PM
I'll do the Big 12 or Big East if you guys want me to.

CUSA Fan
03-06-2005, 12:13 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW - UK... are you still up for doing the Bubble Watch? I think if we do that, we should get it posted by at least tomorrow or Tuesday, because Selection Sunday is the 13th. There are less teams on the bubble now. If you're not up to it anymore, that's cool. I could handle it.

Also, how do you want to display our picks? Just the regular format -

MVP:
ROY:
1st Team:
etc

Or something else? Also, should we write anything about why we chose the team/players? And what awards should we dole out?</div>

Get a little indepth, a small paragraph about your pick of MVP and ROY. Explain why you picked them, tell a little about them, etc. Example...

Player of Year: ....... ........
.................................................. ...........................
.................................................. ...........................
.................................................. ...........................
.................................................. ............................

Something of that format. Just to give reasoning on why you picked who you did. Also, maybe post some of the other honorable mentions if you want. I was just thinking it could be something inciteful for readers to read and they can hear our opinion on our picks.

Besides MVP, ROY, all-conference teams, how about Coach of the year, and maybe disapointment of the year, talking about the most disapointing team? Might be a pretty stupid topic, but let me know.

And also, in reguards to all-conference teams, I don't think we should have to stick to the G-G-F-F-F format.

44Thrilla
03-06-2005, 12:25 PM
I'd like to do the Big East.

Voodoo Child
03-06-2005, 12:37 PM
ACC - ?
Big 10 - Voodoo Child
Big 12 - Moo2k4
Big East - 44Thrilla
C-USA - CUSA Fan
SEC - UKOwnstheSEC
Pac-10 - ?
Patriot League - ?

UKFan33
03-06-2005, 01:01 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW - UK... are you still up for doing the Bubble Watch? I think if we do that, we should get it posted by at least tomorrow or Tuesday, because Selection Sunday is the 13th. There are less teams on the bubble now. If you're not up to it anymore, that's cool. I could handle it.</div>

Yeah, let's get it done after the UK-Florida game...

CUSA Fan
03-06-2005, 01:11 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">ACC - ?
Big 10 - Voodoo Child
Big 12 - Moo2k4
Big East - 44Thrilla
C-USA - CUSA Fan
SEC - UKOwnstheSEC
Pac-10 - ?
Patriot League - ?</div>

We should see about Shard for the Pac-10(I know he's a fan of Washington) and S.Livingston or CourtKing for the ACC.

Voodoo Child
03-06-2005, 06:00 PM
CUSA... do you want us writing about the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teamers too?

CUSA Fan
03-07-2005, 04:59 AM
Eh, doesn't matter. You don't have to go into great detail about the 1st 2nd and 3rd teamers, moreso just listing the players. But one question, would we be submitting these and putting them into one big article? I don't know which way to go with that. Because if we include too much stuff, the post would be pretty big with everyones picks.

Voodoo Child
03-07-2005, 07:52 AM
Article sounds fine.

44Thrilla
03-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Once it's completed, we should get it posted on the frontpage.

Courtking
03-08-2005, 10:38 AM
I'll do the ACC...

Great idea by the way...

Shard
03-08-2005, 11:57 AM
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> We should see about Shard for the Pac-10(I know he's a fan of Washington) and S.Livingston or CourtKing for the ACC.</div>
I'll take Pac-10.

CUSA Fan
03-08-2005, 05:36 PM
Well, we might have a problem, the conference awards for conferences were already released today. I thought they are released later than this.

44Thrilla
03-08-2005, 05:54 PM
We can still do them. I know that I don't agree with the ones that were released today.

UKFan33
03-08-2005, 08:17 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">We can still do them. I know that I don't agree with the ones that were released today.</div>

Neither do I. So you can expect me to still be doing mine...

Voodoo Child
03-09-2005, 09:07 AM
I'll still be doing them. I'm going to the CUSA tourny today (jeleous?) and will have them submitted tonight. Same thing goes for the bubble teams, UK. You might have to post those, because tomorrow afternoon/night I'm leaving for Florida.

UKFan33
03-09-2005, 11:39 AM
Voodoo, I've already got the CUSA and SEC bubble teams done. What are the other two conferences you would like me to do?

CUSA Fan
03-09-2005, 01:16 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll still be doing them. I'm going to the CUSA tourny today (jeleous?) and will have them submitted tonight. Same thing goes for the bubble teams, UK. You might have to post those, because tomorrow afternoon/night I'm leaving for Florida.</div>

Damn you. So far, Marquette vs. TCU is turning out to be a good game, and I think DePaul will have no problem with Tulane. CUSA does have a good amount of bubble teams with Houston, DePaul, UAB, etc.

CUSA Fan
03-09-2005, 03:56 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CUSA Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn you. So far, Marquette vs. TCU is turning out to be a good game, and I think DePaul will have no problem with Tulane. CUSA does have a good amount of bubble teams with Houston, DePaul, UAB, etc.</div>
<font color="RED"><font size="3"><u>Conference USA Awards</u></font>
By CUSA Fan</font>

<font size="2">Player of the Year</font>
<font color="Red">Eddie Basden(Charlotte)
Who is more of a complete player in the conference than Eddie Basden? In my opinion, nobody. You can make a strong argument for Francisco Garcia or Travis Deiner, but I think undoubtedly the conference player of the year is Basden. It was said that Curtis Withers was one of the most underrated players in the nation and was the heart and sole of this team, but that's not the story of this year. Those qualities seem to fit my pick for player of the year, Eddie Basden. His statline is as follows: 15.3 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.6 apg while shooting 50% from the floor and leading the conference with 3.2 steals per game.</font>
Notables: Francisco Garcia(Louisville), Travis Deiner(Marquette)

<font size="2">Freshman of the Year</font>
<font color="Red">Darius Washington Jr(Memphis)
He was asked to fill big shoes coming into this season. Former starting pointguard for the Memphis Tigers, and the last conference player of the year, Antonio Burks, had to declare for the NBA draft after his senior season. Memphis had a couple stars there, in Sean Banks and Rodney Carney, but a lot of the burden was on Darius' shoulders. He showed tremendous patience as a starter in his first year and picked up a lot of slack in scoring after Sean Banks was ruled ineligible for the rest of the season.</font>
Notables: Juan Palacios(Louisville), Joey Dorsey(Memphis)

<font size="2">Coach of the Year</font>
<font color="RED">Tom Penders(Houston)
Yes, you could easily go with Rick Pitino of the Cardinals or Bob Lutz from Charlotte who both have successful seasons coaching their teams, but I thought I'd go with a different choice. Tom Penders, in his first year, coached this team to a very nice season. Though, it wasn't a stellar season, it was one that was needed of notice. I had them, im my preseason rankings, finishing 12th overall, yet, in the regular season, they finished 6th. I saw them not making the NCAA's or the NIT, yet, they find themselves as one of the many bubble teams to get into the tournament. Penders led them to some big wins including a huge win over current #6 Louisville.</font>
Notables: Bob Lutz(Charlotte), Rick Pitino(Louisville)

<font size="2">Disapointment of the Year</font>
<font color="Red">Memphis Tigers
In my preseason rankings, I had this team finishing second overall just behind Louisville. Some people weren't too high on them, but some were, even picking this team to win the conference. Boy, was I, and all of those others who were high on this team wrong, big time. Their record of 16-14 overall speaks for itself. They finished in a tie for 6th with Houston in the conference, and their star player, Sean Banks, was involved in all sorts of problems. He was first dealt with a two game suspension and later was ruled ineligible for the season because of academics. Very, very, disapointing season for the Tigers.</font>

<font size="2">All-ConferenceUSA Teams</font>

<u>First Team</u>
<font color="RED">Travis Diener(Marquette)
Francisco Garcia(Louisville)
Eddie Basden(Charlotte)
Quemont Greer(DePaul)
Terrence Leather(USF)</font>


<u>Second Team</u>
<font color="Red">Andre Owens(Houston)
Jason Maxiell(Cincinnati)
Rodney Carney(Memphis)
Donnell Taylor(UAB)
Curtis Withers(Charlotte)</font>

<u>Third Team</u>
<font color="RED">Taquan Dean(Louisville)
Cory Santee(TCU)
Darius Washington Jr.(Memphis)
Eric Hicks(Cincinnati)
Drake Deiner(DePaul)</font>

44Thrilla
03-09-2005, 04:17 PM
Well....I did mine a little bit different, but it's pretty much the same.


BIG EAST

Player of the Year- Craig Smith
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Craig Smith, a Junior Forward for Boston College, led the Eagles to a 23-3 record in the regular season. Smith was the most important Eagle, averaging 17.8 points per game and 8.5 rebounds per game. The Eagles captured the regular season Big East title, sharing it with UConn.
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Coach of the Year- Al Skinner
<font size="2">
Did you have any idea that Boston College was going to go 23-3 this season? Only liars say yes. Skinner took a mediocre team and created a monster. At one point, the Eagles rallied to win 19 straight games. Any coach that can get his team to overachieve like this one did deserves to win the award.
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Freshman of the Year - Jeff Green
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Georgetown's Jeff Green averaged 13.2 points, 6.8 rebounds, and 2.9 assists for the Hoyas. He led the team in rebounds, and was top three in points and assists. In fact, the Hoyas went 6-0 when Green played forty minutes or more.
</font>
Disappointment of the Year - Providence
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After a promising year last year, and some uncertainty about his draft position, Ryan Gomes decided to stay for his Senior year at PC. Most people thought that Providence would be one of the top teams in the Big East, or at least tournament bound. Sixteen losses later, and nobody knows who is to blame. </font>
<font size="1">
All Big East Team -

Hakim Warrick (Syracuse)
21.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg
Ryan Gomes (Providence)
21.7 ppg, 8.2 rpg
Craig Smith (Boston College)
17.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg
Gerry McNamara (Syracuse)
15.7 ppg, 5.2 apg
Jared Dudley (Boston College)
16.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg

Second Team -

Curtis Sumpter (Villanova)
Chevon Troutman (Pittsburgh)
Allan Ray (Villanova)
Daryll Hill (St. John's)
Carl Krauser (Pittsburgh)


Third Team -

Josh Boone (UConn)
Charlie Villanueva (UConn)
Brandon Bowman (Georgetown)
Chris Thomas (Notre Dame)
Randy Foye (Villanova)
Jeff Green (Georgetown)
</font>

UKFan33
03-09-2005, 05:48 PM
<u>SEC Awards</u>
By: UKOwnstheSEC

Player of the Year: Brandon Bass

Bass was a huge reason of why the LSU Tigers were able to win a share of the SEC West division title for the first time since 2000. He managed to have 17 points and 8 boards a game and shot 56% from the field. Bass had only 6 games all year where he didn't put up a double-double and even had two 20 rebound games. This McDonalds American is going to have a heck of a career when it's all said and done.
Runner Up- Anthony Roberson

Coach of the Year: Tubby Smith

Tubby had an outstanding year coaching the SEC regular season champion Kentucky Wildcats. This is a team that lost three key starters in Erik Daniels, Gerald Fitch, and Cliff Hawkins. And Tubby managed to carry this team to a 23-4 record and 14-2 record in the SEC with the three new starters that he had to develop.
Runner Up- John Brady

Freshman of the Year: Chris Lofton

Lofton has been overlooked a lot this year but he's been a great player for Tennessee. Lofton averaged 13 points a game as the starting guard and led the SEC in three point percentage at 47%. Lofton had one game this year that really sticks out in my mind and it was the game against Arkansas where he just totally took over by scoring 30 points, but it wasn't enough to give them the win.
Runner Up- Toney Douglas

Disappointment of the Year: Mississippi State

No doubt that Mississippi State didn't play up to their ability this season. But one main reason that they finished third in the SEC west is because of injuries. Defending SEC Player of the Year Lawrence Roberts broke his nose earlier on the year and wasn't as effective as he could be. Their best shooter, Winsome Frazier missed 8 games as well. So this team really had a tough year, but luckily will be getting an invote to the big dance.

All SEC Teams:

<u>First Team</u>:
Lawrence Roberts(Mississippi State)
Brandon Bass(LSU)
Kennedy Winston(Alabama)
Earnest Shelton(Alabama)
Anthony Roberson(Florida)

<u>Second Team</u>:
Glen Davis(LSU)
Chuck Hayes(Kentucky)
Kelenna Azubuike(Kentucky)
Ronnie Brewer(Arkansas)
Chris Lofton(Tennessee)

<u>All Freshman Team</u>:
Glen Davis(LSU)
Toney Douglas(Auburn)
Rajon Rondo(Kentucky)
Chris Lofton(Tennessee)
Ronald Steele(Alabama)

Voodoo Child
03-09-2005, 08:44 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Voodoo, I've already got the CUSA and SEC bubble teams done. What are the other two conferences you would like me to do?</div>

Big 12 and Pac-10

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn you. So far, Marquette vs. TCU is turning out to be a good game, and I think DePaul will have no problem with Tulane. CUSA does have a good amount of bubble teams with Houston, DePaul, UAB, etc.</div>

Marquette/TCU was a thriller. The Marquette fans where I was sitting were really into it. It was fun to see DePaul as well. The real event of the night was UM/SLU though. The crowd was nuts. I should be able to catch some of the Cards game tomorrow before I leave.

BTW - I met Pitino and Lutz. I had a nice conversation with both of them. It was interesting... during each game, the coach of the team that was going to play the winner would come sit with his scouts infront of me. So in the TCU/Marquette game, Pitino sat infront of me, and in the Memphis game, Lutz sat infront of me. Nice people actually. Lutz' daughter is kinda hot, but she looked pretty young, like 15ish.

Shapecity
03-09-2005, 08:51 PM
I'll do the snubs and try get a debate going.

CUSA Fan
03-10-2005, 04:43 AM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Big 12 and Pac-10



Marquette/TCU was a thriller. The Marquette fans where I was sitting were really into it. It was fun to see DePaul as well. The real event of the night was UM/SLU though. The crowd was nuts. I should be able to catch some of the Cards game tomorrow before I leave.

BTW - I met Pitino and Lutz. I had a nice conversation with both of them. It was interesting... during each game, the coach of the team that was going to play the winner would come sit with his scouts infront of me. So in the TCU/Marquette game, Pitino sat infront of me, and in the Memphis game, Lutz sat infront of me. Nice people actually. Lutz' daughter is kinda hot, but she looked pretty young, like 15ish.</div>

I now envy you.

UKFan33
03-10-2005, 04:56 AM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Big 12 and Pac-10</div>

Okay. I'll have that done by this evening if that's ok...

Courtking
03-10-2005, 04:58 AM
I'll have mine (ACC) done by tonight, or early tomarrow at the latest.

Voodoo Child
03-10-2005, 09:21 AM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay. I'll have that done by this evening if that's ok...</div>

You'll probably have to post it. I leave at six. I'll PM mine to you before that. I've just got the Big 10 to go.

Voodoo Child
03-10-2005, 09:52 AM
<font size="4"><font color="DarkGreen"><u>Big Ten Awards</u></font></font>
<font color="DarkGreen">by Voodoo Child</font>

<font size="4">Player of the Year</font>
<font color="DarkGreen">Dee Brown (Illinois)
Brown doesn't lead his own team in points, rebounds, or assists. In fact, the only statistic which he leads his team in is steals, and he's only tied for the lead in that category. However, Dee Brown is one of those special players that comes around every now and then whose work transcends statistics. Whether he was picking off three straight passes to survive a scare in Michigan or having one of the most well-rounded games of his career in a blowout of then #1 Wake Forest, it has been Brown who has led his team to victory throughout the season. He has been the catalyst for the near-perfect season that the #1 ranked Illini had, and that is why Dee Brown deserves this award despite only averaging fourteen points per game.</font>
Notables: Deron Williams (Illinois), Bracey Wright (Indiana)

<font size="4">Freshman of the Year</font>
<font color="DarkGreen">D.J. White (Indiana)
The incoming crop of Freshmen in the Big Ten was weak this year. The conference only had two top twenty-five recruits, Marquise Gray of Michigan State and D.J. White of Indiana. With Gray redshirting for Michigan State, most people thought that the Freshman of the Year would be Brian Butch, a former High School All-American who had redshirted the previous year. However, Butch has been more or less a bust, averaging only five points and three rebounds per game. With that said, averaging 13.3 points per game and 4.7 rebounds per game on 58% shooting easily clinched D.J. White this title.</font>
Notables: Robert Vaden (Indiana), Ronald Coleman (Michigan)

<font size="4">Coach of the Year</font>
<font color="DarkOliveGreen">Dan Monson (Minnesota)
Last year the Gophers were probably the worst team in the Big Ten. They had a 3-13 conference record and a 12-18 record overall despite having one of the best Freshmen in the nation in Kris Humphries. This season was supposed to get a lot worse for Monson's Gophers. They were picked by most people to either be last or second to last in the Big Ten after losing their leading scorer and rebounder to the NBA and not bringing in any notable recruits. However, thanks to an outstanding coaching job by Dan Monson, this season has become one of the finest in Minnesota history. The Golden Gophers are 20-9 overall and 10-6 in Big Ten play, which gives them the fourth best Big Ten record and is now providing a chance to make the NCAA tournament. After the turnaround that Monson has made with Minnesota, it'd be hard to argue for anyone else getting this award.</font>
Notables: Bruce Weber (Illinois), Thad Matta (Ohio State)

<font size="4">Dissapointment of the Year</font>
<font color="DarkGreen">University of Michigan
Everything about this Michigan team has been very dissapointing, from their injuries, to their player conduct, to their overall performance. Coming into this seaosn, most people projected Michigan as a tournament team, a top four team in the Big Ten, and either a ranked team or team just outside of the rankings. They were returning pretty much that mattered outside of Bernard Robinson and had the second best recruiting class in the Big Ten. However, as soon as the season begun, their two leading scorers, Lester Abram and Daniel Horton, both went down with injuries. Abram's injury was a season ending injury, and Horton's injury limited him to only thirteen games. Michigan's starting Center and leading rebounder, Graham Brown, also injured himself around this time. Brown only played one game in December. With all of those injuries, it did not help that Daniel Horton pleaded guilty to choking his girlfriend and was kicked off the team for the season. When all was said and done, the team that was picked by many to make the tournament had a 4-12 conference record and a 13-17 overall record.</font>

<font size="4">All-Big 10 Teams</font>

<u>1st Team</u>
<font color="DarkGreen">Dee Brown (Illinois)
Deron Williams (Illinois)
Bracey Wright (Indiana)
Mike Wilkinson (Wisconsin)
Alan Anderson (Michigan State)</font>

<u>2nd Team</u>
<font color="DarkGreen">Alando Tucker (Wisconsin)
Jeff Horner (Iowa)
Luther Head (Illinois)
Greg Brunner (Iowa)
Vincent Grier (Minnesota)</font>

<u>3rd Team</u>
<font color="DarkGreen">Maurice Ager (Michigan State)
Carl Landry (Purdue)
Terence Dials (Ohio State)
Paul Davis (Michigan State)
Aaron Johnson (Penn State)</font>

Courtking
03-10-2005, 11:01 AM
2004-05 ACC Awards
By: Courtking
MVP: Sean May
Sean May worked hard in the off-season to re-shape his body and get in shape for the season and he really proved it in 2004-05, May last year and in his freshman season was in terrible shape. He came out this year with a new look body and being able to get up and down the court. Already with a great set of soft hands coming into this season and with a new re-shaped body May was a double-double threat every night. His most impressive performance was a 26 point, 24 rebound performance in a win against Duke.
Notables: Chris Paul, Wake Forest//J.J Reddick, Duke
First Team:
Chris Paul, Wake Forest
Justin Gray, Wake Forest <font color="Red">(EDIT: Thanks CUSA)</font>
J.J Redick, Duke
Sheldon Williams, Duke
Sean May, UNC
Second Team:
Raymond Felton, UNC
Rashad Mccants, UNC
Julius Hodge, NC St.
Juwad Williams, UNC
Eric Williams, Wake Forest
Freshman of the year: Marvin Williams, North Carolina
It could have went to either Marvin, Sean Singletary of Virginia, or DeMarcus Nelson of Duke. It goes to Williams though; he leaves Roy Williams with a promising diaper dandy ready to take Juwad Williams’ place next year in the starting lineup. Marvin adds atheism, a nice jumper, and a great big man off the bench for the heels.
Notables: Sean Singletary, Virginia//DeMarcus Nelson, Duke
Coach of the Year: Seth Greenberg, Virginia Tech
Sure it could have been Roy Williams or Coach K but I don’t think anybody would think that Virginia Tech had a shot to make the big dance when the ACC Tournament rolled around. Greenberg took a team that lost a very key piece in Bryant Matthews due to the NBA draft and made them a team that can very well make it to the big dance.
Notables: Roy Williams, UNC//Coach K, Duke
Disappointment: Georgia Tech Yellow jackets
G-Tech went to the NCAA championship last year, lost no big pieces. Then comes back then next year and records 10 loses on the year. Defiantly a big disappointment, G-Tech will probably make the big dance, but nothing higher then a 5 seed.

I hope I wasn't too biased, I don't think I was...

CUSA Fan
03-10-2005, 01:05 PM
Nice job Voodoo and CourtKing, and everyone else.

CK, only one thing I noticed, in the first team, your put Justin Williams, whom I don't even think is a player. I'm sure you meant Justin Gray. And just a couple other typos, that's all.

So all we're waiting on is Shard and Moo, if I'm not mistaken.

Courtking
03-10-2005, 02:22 PM
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CUSA Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice job Voodoo and CourtKing, and everyone else.

CK, only one thing I noticed, in the first team, your put Justin Williams, whom I don't even think is a player. I'm sure you meant Justin Gray. And just a couple other typos, that's all.

So all we're waiting on is Shard and Moo, if I'm not mistaken.</div>

My bad, I edited the post above, I guess I was thinking of Eric Williams with Justin Gray's last name. Who knows...

UKFan33
03-10-2005, 02:24 PM
<u>SEC Bubble Teams</u>
Arkansas:
<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: Arkansas is going to have to do A LOT to make an attempt to get in the tourney. But the Kentucky game that they lost by only may help them out even though they lost. They also have a nice little win over LSU who will be likely headed to the touney. I think since Arkansas will be playing Kentucky in the second of the SEC tourney, that if they win that, they have a better chance of getting in.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: If you ask me, I say Arkansas has no chance what so ever of getting in. They had too easy of a non-conference schedule, and they lost too many SEC games(10). And with the SEC down this year, it's not looking good at all for Arkansas. But they did show that they will compete next year with close games against 'Bama and UK.

South Carolina:

<u>Why They Will Make It</u>: South Carolina has only one chance of getting in, and that's because of their key victory over #3 ranked Kentucky. They beat them by 12 at home, but other than that win, none of the other stick out. They gave #2 Kansas a good game by only losing by 4, and they gave #7 Pittsburgh a good game by only losing by 4 to them as well.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: Like Arkansas, South Carolina hasn't beat any quality teams. Losing to medicore teams such as Tennessee and Auburn show me that this team just isn't touney material. I guess the only way you'll see them making is if they can somehow win the SEC tourney and that's highly unlikely.

Vanderbilt:

<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: Vandy has a huge 14 point win over top 25 ranked Alabama and also has a solid win over Dayton. They also have put together a respectable 8-8 record in the SEC. And the Alabama win may just get them in the tourney.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: Vandy has some very bad losses that's going to hurt them bad like the loss against Georgia, and also went on a 4 game losing streak at one time. I think that Georgia loss is really going to hurt them because Georgia ended up with only two conference wins. So, a good run in the tourney will help them a ton.

<u>C-USA Bubble Teams</u>
UAB:
<u>Why They’d Make It</u>: UAB hasn't really beat a top team in the nation, but they do have a respectable 10-6 record in the conference and an overall record of 20-9. They've beaten a few quality conference opponents such as Memphis, Marquette, and DePaul, so that could help them out vastly.

<u>Why They Won’t</u>: UAB just hasn't beat enough quality teams. They've had chances against Oklahoma State, Louisvile, Charlotte, and Cincinnati. They've also lost to teams that they could have easily beaten like TCU, East Carolina, Tulane, and Richmond. So I feel they have no shot at getting an invitation to the big dance unless they win the C-USA tourney.

Marquette:
<u>Why They'd Make It</u>: You can make a case that Marquette may make it with the nice win over #22 ranked Wisconsin, but other than that, they haven't had that other standout win. They did give #16 ranked Arizona a good game at, but couldn't come away with the upset.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: Marquette has no chance what so ever of getting in the tourney because they finished with a 7-9 record in the C-USA. And losing their starting PG Travis Diener isn't going give them no edge as they head into the conference tourney. If they don't win the tourey, than their season is as good as done.

DePaul:
<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: DePaul has had a very nice season with key wins over Cincinnati, Notre Dame, and Marquette. I think if they can knock off say a Louisville team in the conference tourney, then that should give them a petty good chance to get in.

<u>Why They Won't Make It</u>: DePaul has lost a lot of gimme non-conference games like to Bradley, Northwestern, and Northern Illinois. And didn't play tough of a non-conference schedule which should really hurt their chances a lot.

UKFan33
03-10-2005, 02:45 PM
<u>Big 12 Bubble Teams</u>

Iowa State:
<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: Iowa State has racked up a ton of nice wins over quality opponents like the wins over Kansas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Texas. I think they're in no doubt because of the conference wins they've picked up.

<u>Why They Won't Make it</u>: The only way I don't see them getting in is if the committee takes their RPI of 64 and their strength of schedule which is 92. So, I think this team should definitely get an invite.

Texas A&M:

<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: I think it's going to be tough for them to get in, but with the nice win over Texas earlier in the year when Texas was at full strength may help them get in. But most likely that won't be enough. If they just win the games they need to win in the Big 12 tourney and they may get in.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: No way they get in with that strength of schedule being 123. That just tells me that this team isn't playing the tough teams needed to make the big dance.

<u>Pac-10 Bubble Teams</u>

Stanford:

<u>Why They'll Make It</u>: Stanford should definitely get an invite to the tournament. With the recent win over #10 Washington this team should be set to go. The win over UCLA also helps a lot.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: I don't really see an argument of why they won't make it, but they did have a few bad losses earlier in the year. For instance the loss against below .500 Tennessee could hurt their chances but it's not likely.

UCLA:

<u>Why They'll Make It:</u> I think they too will get in, but will be among the teams that barely get an invite. I believe that the wins over Notre Dame and Washington will be enough to get them in.

<u>Why They Won't</u>: UCLA had one bad loss in my mind against California, but other than that, I can't make a case of why they shouldn't get in. But there's still a chance that the committee takes a very good look at this team's progress and see that they went 1-4 against ranked opponents this season.

UKFan33
03-10-2005, 06:20 PM
<font size="4"><u>ACC</u></font>
<font size="3">Locks: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke</font>
<font size="3">Bubbles:</font>

<font size="3">Georgia Tech</font>

Why They’d Make It: They had a very impressive non-conference run which included a win over Michigan by 31 who was at full strength at the time, as win over Air Force. Their only losses came to Gonzaga and Kansas, which was a last minute overtime loss. They started off ACC play with a 5-6 record, but that was without their point guard, B.J. Elder. They also knocked off Wake Forest later in the season. Plus, you’ve got to think that the NCAA selection committee will favor them as an ACC team.

Why They Wouldn’t: They don’t really have a bad loss that would really keep them out. Pretty much all of their losses came against tournament bound teams. However, they do have a large quantity of those “quality losses”. They’re the ultimate bubble team right now as they’re pretty split right down the middle with pro’s and con’s.

Prediction: NCAA
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<font size="3">Virginia Tech</font>

Why They’d Make It: ACC play really helped Virginia Tech. They were able to prove themselves by beating Duke, North Carolina State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and Maryland. Two things that the NCAA Selection Committee seems to love are ACC teams and teams that are able to beat Duke. Virginia Tech could get lucky by fitting that mold.

Why They Wouldn’t: I didn’t think it was possible, but Virginia Tech has a Strength of Schedule of 175 despite playing in the ACC. In their non-conference play, the best team they played was Mississippi State, and they were blown out. Their best win came against lowly UT-Chattanooga. They also have losses to Western Michigan, VMI, St. John’s, Florida State, and Clemson. Their RPI is also very low at 119.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">North Carolina State</font>

Why They’d Make It: They finished 10-3 in their non-conference schedule and were just two games below .500 in ACC play. The big issue with them has been injuries. They have had just as many injuries as any other team in the NCAA and the Selection Committee might give them some recognition for that. They knocked off Georgia Tech twice, including when they were #8 in the nation, and also beat Maryland twice.

Why They Wouldn’t: They haven’t really beaten anyone but bubble teams. Their RPI is only 91, and their Strength of Schedule is only 78. They also suffered embarrassing losses to St. John’s and Florida State

Prediction: NCAA, if they beat Wake Forest. If they lose, then it’s really too close to call.
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<font size="3">Maryland</font>

Why They’d Make It: Their RPI is 50 and their Strength of Schedule is 8. They swept Duke, blew out Memphis when they were ranked, and beat Georgia Tech.

Why They Wouldn’t: They just went 0-3 against pathetic Clemson. That right there can be enough to knock the best of teams out of the NCAA tournament. They also haven’t come through in any big games outside of the games against Duke. They also had a relatively weak non-conference schedule. Outside of George Washington and Wisconsin, they didn’t play anyone worth mentioning, and both George Washington and Wisconsin murdered them.

Prediction: NIT

<font size="4"><u>Big Ten</u></font>
<font size="3">Locks: Illinois, Michigan State, Wisconsin</font>
<font size="3">Bubbles:</font>

<font size="3">Iowa</font>

Why They’d Make It: They played phenomenally in their non-conference schedule. They finished 12-1 with wins over Louisville, Texas, Air Force, Northern Iowa, Texas Tech by thirty, and Iowa State. Their only loss came to the now #2 North Carolina Tarheels. They also played Illinois tougher than everyone else (exception: Ohio State), taking them all the way to overtime. They’re only 8-9 in the Big Ten at this point, but they do have wins over tournament worthy teams like Minnesota, Ohio State, and Indiana. When you look at this Hawkeyes team, you also have to consider that they went on such a bad skid because they lost their star player, Pierre Pierce, due to legal complications. However, they have since learned how to play without him and are 5-0 in their last five Big Ten games heading up to their matchup with Michigan State.

Why They Wouldn’t: The Hawkeyes went on a stretch of thirteen games where they went 4-9, including embarrassing losses to Michigan and Purdue. However, most of those games came against great tournament-type teams, such as Michigan state, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Indiana. I think that their current run overshadows this stretch.

Prediction: NCAA
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<font size="3">Minnesota</font>

Why They’d Make It: Ten seems to be the magic number in the Big Ten. Unless your non-conference schedule was really bad, ten wins in the Big Ten pretty much guarantees you an NCAA tournament bid. They finished 10-3 in their non-conference schedule as well, with two of those losses coming to ranked Alabama and ranked Oklahoma. The other loss was a one point buzzer-beater loss to Florida State, which isn’t a terrible loss either. They made noise in the Big Ten tournament by beating Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, and Ohio State. They also have a decent RPI of 49.

Why They Wouldn’t: They don’t really have a single statement win. They have one ranked win over Wisconsin, but outside of that their only good wins come against Big Ten bubble teams. In their non-conference schedule, their only half-way decent win was against Holy Cross.

Prediction: NCAA
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<font size="3">Indiana</font>

Why They’d Make It: Their Strength of Schedule is an impressive 19, and figuring how the Big Ten conference play probably weighted that Strength of Schedule down, they most likely have the #1 or #2 strongest non-conference schedule in the nation. They lost a lot, but most of those losses were very close games. They only lost to Charlotte by 1, Wisconsin by 2, Minnesota by 5, Connecticut by 5, and North Carolina by 7. They are also the only team in the Big Ten outside of Illinois who beat both Wisconsin and Michigan State. You can’t overlook a terrific win over Oral Roberts either. They also have those magical 10 Big Ten wins to fall back on and are 4-1 in their last five games with their only loss coming to #23 Wisconsin.

Why They Wouldn’t: Indiana’s RPI is a bit on the low side at 71, and they only won one of their difficult non-conference games. They were also blown out by Northwestern and lost to Missouri.

Prediction: If they beat Minnesota - NCAA, If they lost to Minnesota - NIT

<font size="4"><u>Other Conferences</u></font>
<font size="3">Locks: Gonzaga, Pacific, Utah, Nevada, Southern Illinois, St. Mary's</font>
<font size="3">Bubbles:</font>

<font size="3">Vermont</font>

Why They’d Make It: Vermont has an excellent RPI of 23 and also have a very respectable 3-3 record against top 50 RPI teams. They also weren’t afraid to play the big boys, as they scheduled away games at both North Carolina, Kansas, and Nevada this season.

Why They Wouldn’t: The America East Conference is not exactly a two bid conference, and that fact will hurt them if it comes down to them or an ACC or Big East team for the final at-large bid. They also didn’t finish as strong as they should have. If they lose their conference tournament and have to make it as an at-large bid then they’ll be 6-4 in their last ten games in a sorry America East Conference, and the Selection Committee factors in how teams finish. This is also a team that is 0-3 against ranked opponents and had an ugly loss at the beginning of the season to American as well as a blowout loss at the end of the season at the hands of Maine.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">Miami (OH)</font>

Why They’d Make It: Miami (OH) has an excellent Strength of Schedule for a mid-major at 53. They also have some key wins against some of the elite mid-majors, Wichita State and Buffalo. If anything got them in though, it would be their RPI of 28.

Why They Wouldn’t: They’re another mid-major team that has finished off their season poorly. Without winning their conference tournament, they will have been 1-4 in their last five games. They also don’t have any ranked wins. In fact, their only ranked opponent was Cincinnati, and they were blown out in that game by a score of 77-53.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">Northern Iowa</font>

Why They’d Make It: This is a team that is a lot better than statistics and win-loss percentages tell. They finished with a solid 11-7 in the nation’s most underrated conference, the Missouri Valley Conference, which is a conference that is probably just as strong as the SEC and the Conference USA. They were also 9-2 in non-conference play, with their only two losses coming on the road at the last minute to #23 Iowa and Cincinnati. They have some solid wins over Iowa State, Southern Illinois, Wichita State, and Wisc. Green Bay. An RPI of 38 and a Strength of Schedule of 60 don’t hurt their cause either.

Why They Wouldn’t: They probably had their at-large bid hopes shattered with a conference tournament loss to SMS because the NCAA more than likely won’t look at the Missouri Valley Conference as a three bid conference. They also got blown out by Evansville, Bradley, and Drake.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">Holy Cross</font>

Why They’d Make It: If Holy Cross were to make the NCAA Tournament as an at-large bid, it would be solely based on their record and their RPI. They’re 13-1 in conference action and 24-5 overall and have an RPI of 46.

Why They Wouldn’t: They haven’t beaten anyone who will be moving on to the tournament. They played Boston College, Minnesota, and Vermont but got embarrassed by all three. Also, their strength of schedule is an absolutely horrific 207. Holy Cross is also a team that lost to Princeton and was blown out by Bucknell. They’ve basically gotten by with 24-5 record by beating up on bad teams.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">UTEP</font>

Why They’d Make It: This is another team that has a great RPI, but this team for some reason actually has all of the analysts at ESPN behind them as well. Pretty much everyone predicting bubble teams on ESPN has counted UTEP in because of their 24-7 record and second place finish in the decent WAC. Their RPI is 51 and they have a decent win against Arizona State to fall back on.

Why They Wouldn’t: If you really look at UTEP’s schedule, you have to wonder why they’re even on the bubble. The teams that they play are not even worthy of being considered basketball teams. Yes, they have 24 wins, but let’s look at some of the teams that they’ve played: Occidental, New Mexico State (twice), Jackson State, Delaware State, IPFW, Panhandle State, Princeton, Alabama State, and Boise State. I’ll be honest, I didn’t even know some of those schools existed. When they played the big boys like Pacific, Nevada, Southern Illinois, and Texas Tech they basically got run out of the gym, especially against Texas Tech who beat them by fifteen.

Prediction: NCAA (Although, if it were up to me I’d put them in the NIT)
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<font size="3">Wichita State</font>

Why They’d Make It: They almost entered the Missouri Valley Conference with an unblemished record at 9-1 and ended up after conference play at a respectable 20-9. They also have a good RPI of 48 and a top 100 Strength of Schedule. They also have quality wins over Southern Illinois and Northern Iowa.

Why They Wouldn’t: They fall into the same category as UTEP as a team that didn’t really beat anyone good in non-conference play. They also have three awful losses to Manhattan, Indiana State, and Bradley. Plus, with Creighton winning their conference, Southern Illinois looking like a lock, and Northern Iowa probably having a better bubble case, Wichita State would have to be the fourth Missouri Valley Conference team admitted into the NCAA Tournament, and that just seems farfetched at this point.

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">Oral Roberts </font>

Why They’d Make It: At 87, their RPI isn’t as decent as most other bubble teams, but they do have a decent 25-7 record to fall back on, as well as the Mid-Continent regular season title to fall back on. They played a decent non-conference schedule, including games at Indiana, Hawaii, and UAB. They also blew out Georgetown on the road.

Why They Wouldn’t: Despite a few good games in their non-conference schedule, they still have a Strength of Schedule of 271. The Mid-Continent Conference is very weak this season, so most people think that the loss to blow .500 Oakland (MI) was the final nail in the coffin

Prediction: NIT
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<font size="3">George Washington</font>

Why They’d Make It: The wins over #9 Michigan State and #12 Maryland still stick out on their resume. Their only losses came in hard fought games against #2 Wake Forest and tournament bound West Virginia. George Washington also won their division in the Atlantic Ten conference.

Why They Wouldn’t: For whatever reason, their RPI is only 80 and Strength of Schedule is way down there at 198. Those statistics are very misleading though. They also lost two of their last four games and also lost earlier in the year to UMass.

Prediction: NCAA
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<font size="3">New Mexico</font>

Why They’d Make It: They’re 10-4 in the conference, 23-6 overall, and feature on of the NCAA’s best players, Danny Granger. With Granger, they are 22-3, and two of those three losses came against Wake Forest and Oregon, who was undefeated at the time. They also stand as the only MWC team who has knocked off Utah this season. They’re also #2 in the MWC only behind Utah.

Why They Wouldn’t: The NCAA Selection Committee might not necessarily look at the games when Granger didn’t play and discard them like many Lobos fans are hoping. New Mexico also has a horrific Strength of Schedule of 298 and a below-average RPI of 88.

Prediction: If they make the MWC finals and play Utah close, then NCAA.

UKFan33
03-10-2005, 06:23 PM
Big East Bubble Teams

Notre Dame

Why they will? Notre Dame has one of the best point guards in the Nation with Chris Thomas. Despite playing in one of the toughest conferences in college, the Big East, Notre Dame has 17 wins. Those wins include victories over UConn, BC, and a near upset against Syracuse at Syracuse.

Why they won't? Notre Dame needed to have a strong performance in the Big East tournament. Unfortunately they got bounced in the first round last night against Rutgers. It was their fourth loss in their last five games.

Georgetown

Why they will? The Hoyas got a much needed win against Seton Hall, in round one of the Big East Tourney. They have to keep it going to keep their bubble hopes alive. Loss by Notre Dame helps their chances.

Why they won't? The Hoyas have not beaten a ranked opponent all season long. They also finished poorly losing their last 5 games all against Big East opponents.

CUSA Fan
03-10-2005, 06:30 PM
Kind of frusterated that Oakland upset Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts had a great season, only to get shut down by Oakland. It kind of sucks to see 12-18 team get into the tournament over a 25-7 team. It's obvious, Oakland is going to get torn apart in the NCAA tournament unless they can pull off some miracle win against whoever they play.

As for Virginia Tech, I think they might make it into the NCAA tournament. They had an oustanding season. Who would have thought they would finish as high as they did in the conference? Plus, getting wins over Duke, UNC, and other big teams like that, makes your resume that much better.

Shard
03-12-2005, 07:24 PM
<u>Pac-10 Awards</u>

<font color="Navy">Player of the Year</font>

Ike Diogu | Arizona State
Was the most dominant player in the conference despite his team's subpar performance. Diogu averaged 22.4 points per game and 9.8 rebounds and will most likely be a high pick in the NBA Draft. This award could have gone to Salim Stoudamire, whom is almost solely responsible for Arizona's stellar play with his impeccable shooting stroke but when it comes down to it, no other player absolutely took over games like Ike Diogu.
Honorable Mention: Salim Stoudamire | Arizona

<font color="Navy">Freshman of the Year</font>

Jordan Farmar | UCLA
One of the main reasons UCLA should be in the NCAA tournament and only in his first year. No other freshman in the Pac-10 has made such a large sudden impact on his team more than Jordan Farmar. Definitely the diaper dandy of the Pac-10's first year players.
Honorable Mention: Malik Hairston | Oregon
<font color="Navy">
Coach of the Year</font>

Lorenzo Romar | Washington
When Lorenzo Romar took over for Bob Bender at the helm of the Huskies, he was faced with a challenge to turn a cellar dwellar into a contender. Boy has he delivered...this is a banner year for Romar with his star players all mature and some excellent recruits coming in for the Dawgs. Washington has now reached heights that no one could have expected and most is thanks to Coach Romar.
Honorable Mention: Lute Olsen | Arizona
<font color="Navy">
Disappointment of the Year</font>

Oregon
This team really didn't look that bad on paper, Aaron Brooks is coming into his own, supposedly the twin brother of Carmelo Anthony in Malik Hairston arrives, and the talent overall wasn't too bad. However, this team just couldn't pull it together in the end. The Ducks couldn't win to save their lives in Pac-10 play no matter how close they were.
Honorable Mention: California

<font color="Navy">All Pac-10 1st Team</font>

Ike Diogu | Arizona State
(22ppg 10rpg)
Channing Frye | Arizona
(16ppg 8rpg)
Tre Simmons | Washington
(16ppg 41% 3pt)
Salim Stoudamire | Arizona
(18ppg)
Nate Robinson | Washington
(17ppg 5apg)

<font color="Navy">2nd Team</font>

Matt Haryasz | Stanford
Dijon Thompson | UCLA
David Lucas | Oregon State
Chris Hernandez | Stanford
Hassan Adams | Arizona

<font color="Navy">3rd Team</font>

Jeff Varem | Washington State
Dan Grunfeld | Stanford
Thomas Kelati | Washington State
Aaron Brooks | Oregon
Will Conroy | Washington

Voodoo Child
03-16-2005, 06:03 PM
When are we posting these? I spent like half an hour on them.

44Thrilla
03-16-2005, 06:07 PM
done