I see Meyers Leonard as - Dwayne Schintzius, Jim McIlvaine or Matt Geiger. Role player. Limited upside. Harrison Barnes looks like - Walt Williams, Marcus Fizer or Martel Webster. Specialist. Needs the right system. I'd be disappointed. But you gotta hope the Blazer scouts know what their doing. (I tried my best to say that with a straight face.)
Barnes no-step vert of 38" is what stood out to me. If he rises (likely to Cleveland) that means either MKG or Drummond will fall to #6.
and niether do you... Just what the fuck do you expect either of those guys to be as pro's? I'd love to hear it... Just b\c a kid is big and athletic doesn't mean he has the skill to excel in the NBA...and frankly ANY player who has confidence & mental tougness issues SHOULD be considered as a giant red flag....That shit isn't going to get better in the pro's...when he is picking up fouls left and right and vets are beating the shit out of him in the post and talking shit in his ear...You can't go crying to your coach or your teamates then.... Big, athletic center who looks likes Adonis but plays like a NBDL reject....Stop me if you have heard\seen this before, it happens practically EVERY draft.... and Lillard everyone's little golden boy whose stock has seemingly shot up after a COMBINE? Really? A player whose stock suddenly shoots up at the combine, haven't heard that before? Of course skip the fact that he played in a sub par conference and when he did play better teams he struggled\was not nearly the "efficient scorer" that he was against the likes of Eastern Washington...skip past the fact that he has a low release point on his jump shot or that he doesn't have the explosion or the body to withstand NBA level contact and finish in the paint...or that he is clearly more of a scoring guard than a PG, but don't worry he has assured us that he can play the PG position, you know like Nolan Smith....Sorry but if I am going to take a risk on a PG this year it is going to be for a guy like Teague who was a top 5 rated kid coming out of HS, who played on the best team in college and stepped up his game in the NCAA tourney when it mattered most, whose assist\to ratio as a FRESHMAN is better than Lillard's as a junior, who is quicker and a better playmaker than Lillard, has a better body is more athletic and more explosive scorer and who is used to playing with NBA level talent, and whom you won't have to take\reach for with a #6 pick to insure you get him... You don't like my OPINIONS? Fine, whatever...But I am stating MY opinion based upon facts\research and observation....and wasting picks on medicore talented players with significant issues is a recipe for remaining a shitty team.... Better to strike out going for players with much higher upsides ( and w\o signifcant issues\concerns) than draft a couple bottom 1/2 of the league (if even that) starters, who won't help your team signifcantly improve at all... If I am wrong, then so be it, I am sure some people here will love to call me out on it...but I tell you this, I won't feel like gloating if I am right and POR picked them....just extremely dissapointed... Can I help it if they are?
You seem to really overrate top players from HS. All this talk of Lillard playing for a small college did you even get to see him play at all(I didn't)? Just asking because you seem to think Teague who is going to go in the 20's is better then Lillard at everything. The results for measurements would seem to point out that they have very similar bodies with Lillard having bigger hands a little more weight which makes me wonder how you can say one has a body built to take hits and one doesn't. Lilard is definitely a scoring PG but that seems to be all the rage recently, if you want a passing one you go for Marshall. I'm not advocating taking Lillard at 6 here, if we got him at 11 i'd be fine but its not like he has moved up the boards that much, he went from being around 8-12 to around 6, as the best PG prospect in the draft thats not surprising because mocks will take into act teams with needs. One last thing, i'v gotten into it with you before because it doesn't seem like you want to state your opinion and have a discussion but you want to attack people and try and make them seem stupid for having a differing opinion.
Another poster called me out, not vice versa, as the post they refered to was aimed at my opinion of POR mgmt, not any particular poster... I don't think there is anything wrong with stating\defending your opinions vigorously and I usually try to avoid name calling...and I usually succceed at doing so...Strong opinion\talk doesn't mean an attack on the person, just the opinion\arguement... and just FYI, but the correlation of top 5 HS prospect becoming good\very good NBA players is pretty strong.....
You're always so hard to read and use way too many words to get your point across. I'm not shooting down people and trying to act like I know more than the next armchair quarterback about this draft. You are telling everyone on this board that management will be a failure if they take Lillard or Leonard. Bottomline is, you don't know more than the next guy on this board about predicting who will be a failure, or a success at the next level. Sorry to break the news to you, but Lillard was projected as a lottery player before the combine. You ramble on about Lillard not having explosion, or the body to withstand the NBA, but Chad Ford said he measured out almost the same size as Derrick Rose did a 6'8" wingspan and a 40-inch vertical. You ramble on about Teague in comparison to Lillard, but not much of what you rambled on about was true aside from the fact that Teague played on a better team. Mateen Cleaves won a championship, that didn't make him better than a guy like Eric Maynor who went to VCU. I'll put trust in the various league executives and analysts that have attended the combine. Lillard's rise in pre-draft has reminded me a lot of another guy that rised to the top after workouts and wasn't exactly considered a pure PG coming out of college; Russell Westbrook. As for Leonard, I think he can become like Spencer Hawes type player. Who taken at #11 in any draft is a solid pick.
No, Barnes is in that Top 6 group who would likely be BPA at #6 and at worse seems like he will be a solid NBA starter. Leonard is more of a gamble but as someone else said most #11 picks have their risks. My personal "guess" at this time is that Leonard would be a good gamble at #11
I remember another poster just like that. I can't remember who it was? Oh ya, it was me before the meds.
I am not a Henson fan at all, but it should be pointed out that he had an ankle injury and participated anyway
I sat there yesterday wondering, can you guys think of anyone from the last few years that really stood out in the combine and then turned out to be a bad pick? Im sure there are examples out there but I would like to compare them to Lillard. He seemed to do really well and just about everyone at the combined seemed to like him. What other players recently were like this but still turned out a bad pick?
