Exclusive Poll: What would your preferred United States firearm policy be?

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What do you think should be legal regarding firearm ownership?

  1. No limitations on purchasing firearms

  2. All firearms allowed except military-only weapons (automatic weapons, explosives, etc)

  3. Military-only weapons and large magazines (say, greater than 12) prohibited

  4. Automatic weapons and all semi-automatic rifles (eg, AR-15) prohibited (semi-auto handguns OK)

  5. All automatic and semi-automatic firearms prohibited

  6. Auto, semi-auto, and handguns prohibited (only manually rechambered rifles/shotguns allowed)

  7. All firearms outlawed except for military, police, and authorized armed security only

  8. Firearms for military only

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    We tiptoe around this a lot, but I think it might be nice to have a place to just put our desired firearm policy out there. Now, I know that there's no way I'm going to get everyone's preferences in a 10-option poll (I'm actually only putting 8 options up to leave room for a distinction that I missed), and none of these address background checks, or registration, or licensing, or quantity, or buying age, or concealed-/open-carry, or any of the other ancillary issues related to the 2nd amendment. This is just asking about the basic question of what you think should be legal and what shouldn't.

    Let me know if there's anything that I should add to the poll.
     
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  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Personally, (and if this is a thread hijack I apologize), but I think there's a difference between "who can buy", "what can be bought", and "where the legally-bought weapon can be carried".

    Let's say for grins that I choose #1 "No limitations". It seems to me that if another law is "weapons cannot be carried in your vehicle" then it's kind of a moot point whether you own a weapon. If you can't take them to work, if you get arrested for bringing them to the mall, etc.
     
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    I voted for only manually chambered rifles and shotguns because I keep them for predator problems...ranchers, farmers, hunters can all still kill an elk or a suffering horse or cougar without automatic weapons...if they can't, they need to go back to the shooting range...ultimately I'd like to see a world without the need for them...that's just wishful thinking at this point. I think handguns are an urban problem...I've never felt any need for one.
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I chose "no limitations" because there wasn't an option to allow the purchase of certain weapons with extra paperwork and approval. Currently, you can buy a machine gun if you go through all the proper channels. It can't be a new machine gun, it has to be one made before the ban, but you can still buy one if you're willing to spend a buttload of cash.

    Also, just so people are aware, this is a semi-auto rifle:

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    I have one. My dad has one that originally belonged to my late grandfather. If you ban all semi-auto rifles, this would be an illegal firearm.

    This is also a semi-auto rifle:

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    This and many like it were carried on the beaches of Normandy. This is an assault rifle. It would be banned if you outlawed semi-auto rifles. Also, this is one of the few guns that actually uses a "clip."
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    By the by, you can also buy a tank and use it to piss off your HOA for a mere $600k.

     
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    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter, nothing will change.
     
  7. MarAzul

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    Ha! Correct. Stripper clip to be precise.
    I remember when you asked me, several years ago now, why I called .45 magazine a clip. Well that was common in that day, both weapons using the "clip"
    Magazine became common terminology later when the stripper clip faded into history. Although I think you were technical correct, magazine was the proper term.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    And if I had an extra $600k laying around, I would TOTALLY buy one of those. I love WWII militaria. So cool.

    And if some crooked local sheriff arrests your son, you can dole out some good old fashioned armored justice.

     
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    I am ok with the 2nd amendment as interpreted by the court today as the policy of the US gun ownership.
     
  10. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    How about as the court interprets it in the future? Will you also be ok with that?

    barfo
     
  11. MarAzul

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    Who Knows. How about you if it stays the same?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So what you are saying is really that you are ok with the status quo, not with the court deciding.

    I'm ok with the court deciding whatever it decides. I'd also be ok with us repealing the 2nd amendment altogether, not that I expect that.

    barfo
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Isn't needing a permit to purchase those types of weapons an "infringement" ?

    I chose #5.

    If you feel like you need a gun IMHO you're living in unreasonable fear.

    Fear of people who aren't coming to take material possessions from you (take my material and I don't believe that deserves a death sentence) or a government who isn't coming to go to war with you.

    Take it how you want to.
     
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    Here's the thing - our friend @MarAzul loves the word "infringe" but "militia" and "well-regulated" aren't as important to him. Fortunately, the Supreme Court, which one presumes also loves the Constitution, knows that you can't just willy-nilly pick and choose certain parts, words, or phrases when analyzing the document.

    And yes Denny, I know what they said in Heller, but at least they looked at the whole amendment and its history and not just one word.
     
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    Oh really! Well read the Majority opinion here, the link to Cornell's site. I have some small issue with it, but it does put the proper priority on why we have the 2nd amendment.
    http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/here-we-go-agian-never-waste-an-incident.327490/

    I also just happen to take notice, well more that 50 years ago when visiting the Smithsonian and the display for Madison.
    One of the Item on display was Madison's copy of the, Law of Nations sometimes referred to as Natural law. It was open to the page which discribes the right of people to defend themselves with force of arms. Madison, as was his practice, had notes in the margin of the book. Rather a clear indicator of his noting special interest. Of course they would not let you look through the book, it surely would not survive, but they did have photos of other pages with Madison's notes in the margin. One was of the page that describes, Natural Born Citizen. The only place I know that does give a definition of this term.

    As you know, Madison used the term Natural Born Citizen in the Constitution, and he did author the 2nd amendment. I think you can see, Scalia did get the primary intent of the 2nd amendment.

    About two years ago, my oldest Grandson was going to visit the Smithsonian. I mention to him to note this stuff in Madison's display. But he could no longer find it. It sure seems a shame. Real history, gone!
     
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    Fair enough. Of course this was important to the founders. It's the second of the amendments after all.

    That said, I am just of the belief that the Constitution is a living document and must be reinterpreted with changing times. Others, like Scalia, disagree. I am certain that when they spoke of the right to bear arms, they never imagined, or would want, children having the right to buy weapons of war.
     
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    Tell that to all your boys in the hood
    Not every person with a gun is a republican buuuuut that wouldn't fit the narrative you are trying to push
     
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    I don't have "boys in the hood"...
     
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    Honestly if it makes everybody shut up just fucking ban semis and autos. I am soooo sick and tired of hearing about this nonsense just ban them. Then another shooting will occur with an AR-15 and everybody who complained will be confused. There are more guns than people in this country. you try and sweep them up, a lot will still end up on the street or black market for sale.
     
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