Trade Avdija to Blazers

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Good trade?

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 86.0%

  • No

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 13.1%
  • Total voters
    107
In case you missed this interview at Summer League:

Avdija: I'm very excited. Now it's a chance come to a new place and shine and help the team win.

About new teammates: Good group of guys. Young, fun. I think it's going to be a blast.

 
TYDame said:
Please don’t let this guy stand on the corner and wait. Give him the rock to make plays
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It'd be fun to see Point Deni experiments. The Blazers ran Thybulle at PG due to injury default last season. It was fun to watch a bigger PG who can hold his own defensively.
 
Whyachi said:
It'd be fun to see Point Deni experiments. The Blazers ran Thybulle at PG due to injury default last season. It was fun to watch a bigger PG who can hold his own defensively.
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or it allows us to play 2 scoring SGs at times. I have always loved the idea of having a point forward, I hope this one finally works out.

I am not sure how he and Scoot will fit together. My hope is a Scoot, Deni, and Sharpe trio will give us more fast break baskets.

On the other hand, if Deni really can be an effective point forward, he and Ant and Sharpe would be an effective trio as well.
If you start Scoot, then bring in Ant midway through the 1st while Deni is still in.

Ideally, Banton could provide a similar point-forward skill set with the 2nd team. Not saying Banton is as good, but he, Ant, and either Thybulle or Rupert might be part of an effective 2nd unit. (Maybe bring Ayton back in with them along with either Camara or Walker)
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
or it allows us to play 2 scoring SGs at times. I have always loved the idea of having a point forward, I hope this one finally works out.

I am not sure how he and Scoot will fit together. My hope is a Scoot, Deni, and Sharpe trio will give us more fast break baskets.

On the other hand, if Deni really can be an effective point forward, he and Ant and Sharpe would be an effective trio as well.
If you start Scoot, then bring in Ant midway through the 1st while Deni is still in.

Ideally, Banton could provide a similar point-forward skill set with the 2nd team. Not saying Banton is as good, but he, Ant, and either Thybulle or Rupert might be part of an effective 2nd unit. (Maybe bring Ayton back in with them along with either Camara or Walker)
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Scoot, Deni, and DC are all very good passers, and I could see them playing together... a lot. Pretty exciting, actually.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Scoot, Deni, and DC are all very good passers, and I could see them playing together... a lot. Pretty exciting, actually.
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Main problem is that only one of those guys has had a season where he shot the three well, and that was only one season. So Scoot and Avdija need to be consistent three point shooters for that lineup to work. Or add two other really good shooters.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Main problem is that only one of those guys has had a season where he shot the three well, and that was only one season. So Scoot and Avdija need to be consistent three point shooters for that lineup to work. Or add two other really good shooters.
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Yep, you don't want to waste good passing by not having good shooters to receive the pass.

Despite what analytics might suggest, I think we have 4 reliable shooters: Grant, Ant, Sharpe, and Ayton.
And of course, 1 less if Grant is moved. They need to be staggered so we have two of them on the court at all times. I guess Deni could be considered one as well. But I need to see it first.

I am still hopeful for Rupert but it might be another year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Main problem is that only one of those guys has had a season where he shot the three well, and that was only one season. So Scoot and Avdija need to be consistent three point shooters for that lineup to work. Or add two other really good shooters.
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Ant and Grant are our only proven shooters.... and it's possible neither are on the team next year. So, I don't think shooting is a primary consideration when making lineups until we know whether they're on the team.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yep, you don't want to waste good passing by not having good shooters to receive the pass.

Despite what analytics might suggest, I think we have 4 reliable shooters: Grant, Ant, Sharpe, and Ayton.
And of course, 1 less if Grant is moved. They need to be staggered so we have two of them on the court at all times. I guess Deni could be considered one as well. But I need to see it first.

I am still hopeful for Rupert but it might be another year.
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This is why they're not in a rush to move Grant. He's a reliable shooter at a position of need. If I'm Cronin, I'm prioritizing a trade with Simons and only moving Grant if someone meets my asking price.

Scoot (non shooter)
Sharpe (potential shooter)
Avdija (shooter)
Grant (Shooter)
Ayton (potential shooter)
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Ant and Grant are our only proven shooters.... and it's possible neither are on the team next year. So, I don't think shooting is a primary consideration when making lineups until we know whether they're on the team.
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It certainly makes it tough to talk about actual Blazer basketball for the upcoming season. But I am going to assume that at least one of them will be back.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Ant and Grant are our only proven shooters.... and it's possible neither are on the team next year. So, I don't think shooting is a primary consideration when making lineups until we know whether they're on the team.
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Sure, in the immediate future, but long term that's still three guys from our core who aren't reliable shooters. Sharpe hasn't really shown to be consistent either.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Ant and Grant are our only proven shooters.... and it's possible neither are on the team next year. So, I don't think shooting is a primary consideration when making lineups until we know whether they're on the team.
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Possible, but not likely. I don't see Cronin consummating any more significant deals until February. Ant/Grant would probably be the best pairing to add to that Scoot/Deni/DC trio that was mentioned.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, in the immediate future, but long term that's still three guys from our core who aren't reliable shooters. Sharpe hasn't really shown to be consistent either.
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I'm skeptical any Blazer player has shown enough skill and 2-way talent to be considered a core player, except by default because there's nobody better. It's possible Scoot-Sharpe-Clingan will get there; it's possible they won't. Maybe my definition of core is too restrictive but after years of Olshey believing CJ was a core player, I'll stick to a restrictive standard
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is why they're not in a rush to move Grant. He's a reliable shooter at a position of need. If I'm Cronin, I'm prioritizing a trade with Simons and only moving Grant if someone meets my asking price.

Scoot (non shooter)
Sharpe (potential shooter)
Avdija (shooter)
Grant (Shooter)
Ayton (potential shooter)
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I think it could go either way. If one has to go I would guess it is Grant due to his 4 year age difference and longer contract.
But I guess it comes down to their goal this year. How badly do they want to tank? As you said Grant fills a bigger need this year.......and it is also the position they would probably be tanking for.

Now if they don't intend to tank, then why trade either? Thybulle will come off their books next summer ( I assume he will opt out) and if Williams is healthy they can dump his contract. That will be 25 million coming off the books next summer. So they will have a little flexibility. None the less my guess is Grant will be the one moved.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Main problem is that only one of those guys has had a season where he shot the three well, and that was only one season. So Scoot and Avdija need to be consistent three point shooters for that lineup to work. Or add two other really good shooters.
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finding competitive lineups that struggle in the 3 point department is an executive decision. Benching starters midway through the year is not stealth tanking.

Nuisance lineups that play hard & keep scores close... that's important for cap space flexibility & ping pong mania.

Adding better 3 point shooters will be a point of emphasis after the Blazers improve, and no longer need a significant lottery pick.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm skeptical any Blazer player has shown enough skill and 2-way talent to be considered a core player, except by default because there's nobody better. It's possible Scoot-Sharpe-Clingan will get there; it's possible they won't. Maybe my definition of core is too restrictive but after years of Olshey believing CJ was a core player, I'll stick to a restrictive standard
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Blazer fans received Olshey shock therapy if they questioned the idea of rebuilding around CJ McCollum.

bzzzzt! *Robin Lopez, Meyers Leonard & Joel Freeland combined stats were clearly better then Steven Adams.

bzzzzt!! **Giannis would not develop properly as a backup for LaMarcus Aldridge.
 
Whyachi said:
finding competitive lineups that struggle in the 3 point department is an executive decision. Benching starters midway through the year is not stealth tanking.

Nuisance lineups that play hard & keep scores close... that's important for cap space flexibility & ping pong mania.

Adding better 3 point shooters will be a point of emphasis after the Blazers improve, and no longer need a significant lottery pick.
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Maybe the lottery pick will be the shooter that is needed.
 
Samuel said:
Why would Thybulle opt out?
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I can think of only one reason why he would not and that is if he and his agent don't think he can get more money.
Whether it is true or not, they always think they can. Or maybe the same amount but on a longer contract. He does not have an injury history, but I think he would rather have a 4-year contract at the same amount than a one-year contract in case he does get hurt.

He did not choose Portland. He got traded here and then his offer was matched when he chose to go elsewhere. Who wants to play limited minutes on a team that is tanking? They all want to win and when given a chance they will leave unless they get overpaid.

While I agree he might already be overpaid, I doubt he and his agent feel that way.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Whether it is true or not, they always think they can. Or maybe the same amount but on a longer contract.
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Thybulle is a very specialty player. I’m a huge fan. But the market for a player like him is fairly niche—it would take a few years of a prove it deal for him to make back a single year of earnings. The rub is that his market is playoff teams, yet he is difficult to play in a playoff series (or even FIBA, as it turns out) setting.
 
Samuel said:
Thybulle is a very specialty player. I’m a huge fan. But the market for a player like him is fairly niche—it would take a few years of a prove it deal for him to make back a single year of earnings. The rub is that his market is playoff teams, yet he is difficult to play in a playoff series (or even FIBA, as it turns out) setting.
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While I agree with you, it was only last year that Dallas offered him that amount. So I would highly doubt he and his agent opt in.

His current salary is under the non-taxpayer MLE. It's not like he is making over 20 million a year. I would put money on it that he opts out....regardless of whether or not it is a good idea.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So I would highly doubt he and his agent opt in.
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I would be shocked if he opted out—that would be very risky for a player of his ilk. The move is to opt in and then work with the team to find a spot that values him and would value his bird rights in a trade. Then he extends in his new city.
 
Samuel said:
I would be shocked if he opted out—that would be very risky for a player of his ilk. The move is to opt in and then work with the team to find a spot that values him and would value his bird rights in a trade. Then he extends in his new city.
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Yes, they should do that this summer. But if they don't....be prepared to be shocked.
 
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