Eating Crow about Scoot

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  1. Phatguysrule

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    Lol.
     
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    Did I speak too soon?

    PER - 10.8
    Sebastian Telfair PER, second season: 13.0

    The season is young
     
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    Scoot's play is reminiscent of mood swings. He shows in flashes that he can be a great finisher and fairly pure shooter, but then he air balls a layup or badly clangs several jumpers in a row, or throws the laziest of passes. I think it all comes down to focus. Billups has to figure out how to get Scoot to stay in attack mode while running the offense in controlled fashion, so he doesn't continue having those careless stretches.
     
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    It's almost like he's a very young and inexperienced player learning a very important and difficult position at the highest level in the world...
     
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    Hmmmm? Almost.
     
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    YOU are the one that claimed to 'have broken down the stats' on when Scoot and Simons played together

    you said:

    so then, instead of doing logical backflips and tossing out pointless insults trying to dismiss the stats I posted...why don't you simply show the stats you claim to have "broke down". Or direct me to the post you imply where you showed those numbers. I must have missed them. Maybe I didn't miss the "what not" though

    what we do know is the best sustained stretch of BB Scoot has played was the dozen games or so at the end of last season when Simons sat out

    by the way, in the post you felt the need to attack, I specifically said:

    "obviously the numbers are impacted by rotations. Starters are generally going to show better; backups generally worse. It's hard to know who shared the floor with the pairs and trios when those numbers were compiled"

    it's not surprising at all that two smallish ball-dominant guards don't develop good synergy, at least not for a few seasons, if ever
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    This thread is gonna be funny....

    Several good games: Hey maybe I was wrong!?!?

    Several bad games: No I was right!

    Several good games: Wait.... maybe I WAS wrong?
     
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    Did you not see the countless threads of Ant and Grant need to go or that thought injected into other threads that nothing to do with either of them spilled all over during the offseason by mainly one guy and a few others? I and others spent enough time posting stats to back it up while others repeated the same thing over and over. It got old fast, for many here. It's in my past posts if you want to dig it up like I said.

    I summed it up by saying, if you read above, that Scoot stats were better with Ant last year, and Sharpe's was the same with or without Ant. Shooting numbers were almost identical for Sharpe with or without Ant.

    You didn't address how Scoot was in the top 4 out of 5 combos on that list, and Ant was only in the bottom 10 twice...that has more to do with Scoot playing so bad DESPITE who he was on the floor with in any combo.

    I attacked your silly "combo" stats, sorry that bothers you.
     
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    I know what you're claiming...that Scoot's stats were "better with Ant". Based upon what?
     
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    How many elite guards in the modern NBA were this “mediocre” and this inconsistent in year 2?
     
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    Define elite?
     
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    He seems to have lost some of his intensity and drive and energy. They probably told him to slow down but he needs to learn to go fast AND make the right decisions.
     
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    If people just let the process happen and gave the kid a chance and we're patient, it would be a better place. But noooooo. Lots of folks want to say he is garbage and other folks want to pound their chest after 1 good game pwning the haters.

    Honestly I hate it when people say "eat some crow haters" after we win one meaningless game and he has a good game. Because it just throws gas onto the fire for no reason.
     
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    National media even thinks this dude is garbage
     
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    Posting his overall stats is so disingenuous. He's playing fewer minutes. Taking fewer shots. He's not starting. That's a horseshit take.

    Has he been inconsistent? Yes.

    But his stats ARE better overall.

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    I know I like getting my nba news from a national nba guy with Forbes.
     
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    yeah, he's probably marginally better this season, and contrary to whatshisname, he's coming off the bench, playing more with backups, and still having issues with Simons. I'd wonder if assigning a 20 year old PG the role of backup PG, locks him into a style of play that might not be the best for him

    anyway, I guess I'm coming across as a Scoot defender lately. The thing is I've ratcheted down my expectations for Scoot a long ways from what they were before last season started. I am very skeptical he'll ever be an elite player. In fact, I'm skeptical he'd ever make an all-star game but it's pretty early to make that claim

    Scoot is saddled with the same issue all the young guys are saddled with: playing with a dysfunctional roster that has rotations that don't make any fucking sense. The Blazers are featuring Simons-Ayton-Grant. Those guys dominate usage, shots, and minutes. Portland averages 90.5 FGA/game and that trio averages 46 FGA/game. More than half (51%). And considering that those 3 have sat out most the 4thQ's in about half of the games, their dominance of opportunities, that IMO should be going to others, is even more pronounced than the 51%
     
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    Let’s go with at least one-all star appearance

    Id actually consider elite all-nba team appearances but that seems a bit lofty

    edit: btw this same conversation extends to Shaedon, although his injury history complicates things slightly
     
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