OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: JANUARY 2025

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I noticed that

    I also noticed that of the 9 youngest teams, 4 have not only winning records, but have the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 9th best records in the league. 4 of the 9 youngest teams are in the top-10 teams in the league, and a 5th team has a .500 record. Meaning that only 4 of the 9 youngest teams have losing records.

    I'm willing to grant that there could be some correlation to being a young team and finding more ways to lose games than win them. But that list of the 9 youngest teams, all within a year in average age, demonstrates that youth isn't quite as big a factor as many imagine. Looks like management and roster decisions have a much bigger impact

    by the way, while the Blazers average age 24.1, the average age of their most used starting lineup is 25.8. Now, I suspect that some of those other teams would have a similar bump above the team average. Except OKC, the average age of their starters is 24.4
     
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    As long as we get a FRP I'll be ecstatic. Williams is never going to be productive for us in an important game.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Things that also matter:

    For example, they have more experience than the core Blazers do (Shaedon, Scoot, DC and Ant) or are older or in some cases, just flat out better (Grant is a role player who they act like he's a star).

    Shaedon, for example, is 2 years younger than Williams, just about 5 years younger than SGA and 4 years younger than Dort.

    That amount of experience matters too. SGA having 4 years and 280 more games under his belt (243 more NBA games, and 37 college games) by the same age, Williams had 230 more games experience (counting college), that makes a HUGE difference.

    When Jalen was Shaedons age, he was rookie averaging 14 ppg after 3 years in college (which makes a difference...see: Scoot and how detrimental his route was to his growth).

    When SGA was Shaedons age, he was was averaging similar #'s as Shaedon (after a full year of college ball).

    When Dort was Shaedons age, 14 ppg and a year of college.

    Also, more importantly, their younger players have had more experience than Shaedon, Scoot and DC, and in the case of SGA, were drafted higher and had a higher ceiling than Simons (who was drafted the same year as SGA, and is oddly enough a year younger than SGA).

    Take out Jerami (for the love of god, please take out Jerami) and the average age and experience on this team drops a bit. If you go on rotation players (so no Duop, Walker, Rupes and 2-ways) their total is 258ish for 11 players.

    RW3 27, DA 26, Simons, 25, DBHooper 25, Tou 24, DAvdija 24, Murray 24, Sharpe 21, Scoot 20, DC 20, Rupes 20.

    And even that's misleading, because RW3 barely plays. Take him out, and they're at 231 for 10 players.
     
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    Not sure about that. What are they, two three years from trying to win? Do you think he has to retire in the next year or two?
     
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    If we're lucky. Williams isn't going to play much the rest of his career. If he plays half of any season the rest of his career he'll be incredibly lucky.

    But he can make a huge difference to a team and contention in the playoffs.
     
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    That was kinda the point of my original post. If he gets healthy and has an All Star type season is what I said.

    Not sure how you are so sure he won’t play but I guess it’s a fairly safe bet. Though the injuries he has had are not career ending. He may very well play 20 mins a game and have a 70 game season. Certainly 60.
     
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    Well this is all totally my opinion. I obviously haven't done a medical examination on him.

    I would much prefer a first round pick. And I would be super excited if we could send him someplace that he could find success.
     
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    You listed a bunch of differences between the two clubs. Great. Not relevant in context to the assertion that a coach doesn't change things. It obviously does and I proved that.
     
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    Gotta wish him all the best. He’s certainly worked through some tough days.
     
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    all of that is probably accurate, but still, over the last 4 seasons

    OKC: 24 wins-->40 wins-->57 wins-->68 wins (projected)
    Port: 27 wins-->33 wins-->21 wins-->30 wins (projected)

    pretty big difference in trajectory

    I'm also not a big fan of strictly comparing age vs age of players. As you mentioned, experience is a factor. Sharpe is in his 3rd season. When SGA was in his 3rd season, he averaged 24 pts, 5 reb, 6 ast with a PER of 21.6 (Sharpe 14.7) and a .623 TS% (Sharpe .555). SGA was less than a year older then, than Sharpe is now

    Sharpe vs SGA is probably an unfair gauge. SGA was 1st team All-NBA at 24. Unlikely Sharpe gets to that level in 2-3 years

    Sharpe vs Jalen Williams seems more appropriate. Then we get into their pre-NBA experience and how big an advantage that gives Williams. But one thing about that that advantage is since both players are playing NBA games now, and Williams is getting playoff experience, Sharpe mat not ever overcome that pre-NBA advantage Williams has
     
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    Hold on a minute, let me type up a quippy retort.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    undoubtedly

    but that does not mean a young team is losing just because they are young
     
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    Something about Age doesn’t matter and Mrs HCP might work?
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Are you comparing our TALENT LEVEL to those teams? You’re not right?
     
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    did I say I was comparing talent?

    pretty clear I was gauging by average age and records
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Phi loses McCain for the season. Get on the horn Joe. Tale him off their hands!!
     
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    They have 3 giant salaries then lots of small potatoes, I don’t see how they can trade for any of our vets. It would take 5-6 guys to fit Grant or Simon’s contract to make a trade.
     
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