Casey O'Grady of the RealGM.com is discussing a possibility of JJ coming Toronto's way for Morris Peterson, Loren Woods and a future draft pick. Link Most likely just someone looking to draw attention, but what do you think? is Joe Johnson a good fit in Toronto? Salaries do work out because JJ would be a BYC player and only half of his salary will be counted in a trade.
It's just scenario's they made up probably anyway. I highly doubt Johnson would be traded to Toronto. Lol, you got me all excited with the yellow sign icon and when I opened up the thread, I was hoping ESPN was reporting something, but it was RealGM.
It's a plausible scenario if the Atlanta deal doesn't strike. The Suns get a replacement shooter / decent perimeter defender in Morris Peterson and they replace Steven Hunter with Loren Woods. LOL sorry about that Bobcats, I didn't mean to trick you
^ I don't know why you think the possibility is 1 / 1000, since Morris Peterson, Loren Woods plus a first round pick is better than Boris Diaw plus two lottery protected first round picks. Granted that the deal has no sources, but did we have any idea that the Vince Carter trade would happen the way it did?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font size="2">Although no new trades have been discussed</font></font></font></div> that's what they wrote, they are just writing up scenarios for the artciel, but that seems like a nice deal, but even if the JJ deal with Atlanta doesn't go down(which I think it will), I doubt thistrade would occur.
David Stern is doing all he cans to make sure JJ is in Atlanta. Stern usually gets his way, so I expect JJ to be a Hawk next season. I don't think the Raptors would be keen on paying the ransom JJ is getting.
I think its a pretty even trade, Raptors get a solid player along side bosh, and Phoenix gets a three point shooter, a bigman and a future 1st round pick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">who's joe johnson without steve nash? mo peterson.</div> haha i agree.... I like Joe Johnson and all but giving up MoPete AND a first round pick is too much imo..... maybe if the pick is protected then I'd consider but I assume we'd be getting a pretty good pick next season, so we might be giving up too much for him.
Didn't Joe Johnson average 19 PPG, 5 RPG, and 5 APG in 43 MPG after Marbury left in 03-04? He has also improved his shooting this year in addition to getting more PT, and has become a better player overall, so he's far sueprior to MoPete. Joe Johnson can create shots, he has a lot of skills, without Nash, he puts up about 18-4-4 in about 37 MPG. He's a lot better than Mo, better offensively, better all-round, better defender, better penetrator, more reliable shooter, etc etc...
Yea, but doesn't Joe Johnson get more PT that mo pete? Not only that, Joe plays on a team with Amare Stoudamire and Steve Nash. Nash is the MVP and led the league in assists, and Amare demands a double team everytime he touches to ball. This leaves Joe Johnson and Q Rich wide open for shots. Im sure if Mo was in the place of Joe, he'd be averaging about the same line as Joe. But still, Joe is a slight upgrade over Mo, but not by much. The only thing Mo Pete lacks is creating his own shot, but this might come with more PT and experience. I don't like this trade for the raps because we are losing a 1st rounder, which is probably gonna be a top 10 pick.
Also, do you think JJ's 3pt percentage went from .305% to .478% because over the summer he suddenly became an amazing shooter? Obviously it was because of the good looks he got thanks to the breakout of Amare and the playmaking of Nash. That just proves more how much easier the game becomes when you have the league MVP and an All-star playing beside you.
Everybody plays better with better players around them...Except for T-Mac, KB8, And the king....of course
I can't believe I'm hearing that Joe Johnson is a slight upgrade to Morris Peterson. What an insult. What a homer this one is. Morris Peterson hasn't played a lick of defense in his life, he has no positive playoff experience, and he isn't enough of a team player to get anywhere near the minutes of Joe Johnson. The real difference here is defense, I know a lot of people don't like to talk about it, but defense is important in basketball. Being able to stop your man from scoring sometimes can be a good thing. When Mo Pete can stop my grandmother, we can have this conversation again.
^ actually, Mo Pete is a slightly above average defender. You would know that if you watched any Raptor games at all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">The real difference here is defense, I know a lot of people don't like to talk about it, but defense is important in basketball. Being able to stop your man from scoring sometimes can be a good thing. When Mo Pete can stop my grandmother, we can have this conversation again.</div> I would love to see that game of basketball. I never know about Mo Pete, sometimes I see flashes of his potential and I think he could become something. Then I see him slack off on the next few plays, and pulls up for a jumper instead of driving and misses. If Mo Pete works hard he might dominate the summer league like Lonny Baxtor does!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jtam101:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, but doesn't Joe Johnson get more PT that mo pete? Not only that, Joe plays on a team with Amare Stoudamire and Steve Nash. Nash is the MVP and led the league in assists, and Amare demands a double team everytime he touches to ball. This leaves Joe Johnson and Q Rich wide open for shots. Im sure if Mo was in the place of Joe, he'd be averaging about the same line as Joe. But still, Joe is a slight upgrade over Mo, but not by much. The only thing Mo Pete lacks is creating his own shot, but this might come with more PT and experience. I don't like this trade for the raps because we are losing a 1st rounder, which is probably gonna be a top 10 pick.</div> Joe was assisted on the same amount of jumpshots this year as he was last season, yet he hit 17% more than last season. Yes his team improved a lot, but you don't go from 30.5% 3PT shooting to 47.8% 3PT shooting because you have better teammates. Q-Rich was in the same situation, yet his went up 0.6% and it was even the highest 3PT% of his career. MoPete still can't produce as well overall as Johnson does in the same minutes. PER 39.5 minutes, Mo averaged 16.1 PPG and 2.7 APG this season. In addition, he's an extremely inefficient scorer, can't create his own shot effectively, not a playmaker, and not the man to man defender Joe Johnson is. How does creating your own shot come with more PT? Experience? MoPete is a 27 year old player going into his 6th season, and you're saying he now needs experience to learn how to create his own shot? I mean someone could maybe use that for JJ because he's only 24, but that's something you say about young players, not veterans. If he hasn't learnt through college, and in his 5 years in the NBA, he's not going to learn now to be a guy that puts the ball on the floor. Even in charity games he can hardly do moves . 3 of the last 4 years, MoPete has player 30+ MPG, so minutes shouldn't be a complaint either.
