Year 05-06 Jalen Rose: $15,694,250 Alvin Williams: $6,300,000 Lamond Murray: $5,250,000 Morris Peterson: $4,500,000 Eric Williams: $4,800,000 Alonzo Mourning: $4,000,000 Rafer Alston: $3,850,000 Aaron Williams: $3,375,000 Chris Bosh: $3,348,000 Rafael Araujo: $2,238,960 Jose Manuel Calderon: $1,560,000 Charlie Villanueva: $1,988,160 Matt Bonner: $1,600,000 Joey Graham: $1,388,400 Loren Woods: $900,000 Pape Sow: $790,000 <font color="RoyalBlue">Total: $64,582,770</font> Year 06-07 Jalen Rose: $16,901,500 Alvin Williams: $6,800,000 (Player Option) <font color="Red">Lamond Murray: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Morris Peterson: $4,909,090 Eric Williams: $4,850,000 Alonzo Mourning: $4,000,000 Rafer Alston: $4,200,000 <font color="Red">Aaron Williams: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Chris Bosh: $4,235,220 Rafael Araujo: $2,395,200 Jose Manuel Calderon: $1,610,000 Charlie Villanueva: $2,137,200 Matt Bonner: $1,600,000 Joey Graham: $1,492,440 <font color="Red">Loren Woods: $0 - Comes off the book</font> <font color="Red">Pape Sow: $0 - Comes off the book</font> <font color="Blue">Total: $52,735,450 + $1 million assuming we keep Pape Sow = $53,735,450</font> Year 07-08 <font color="Red">Jalen Rose: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Alvin Williams: $6,850,000 (If Player Option is exercised) <font color="Red">Morris Peterson: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Eric Williams: $0 - Comes off the book <font color="Red">Alonzo Mourning: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Rafer Alston: $4,550,000 Chris Bosh: $5,586,255 (Qualifying Offer) Rafael Araujo: $3,046,694 (Team Option) <font color="Red">Jose Manuel Calderon: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Charlie Villanueva: $2,286,360 (Team Option) <font color="Red">Matt Bonner: $0 - Comes off the book</font> Joey Graham: $1,596,600 (Team Option) Total: Assuming we exercise the team options on Araujo, Villanueva and Graham, and Bosh gets an extension for the max contract starting at $9.8 million, we're looking at $28,129,654. The salary cap in 2007-2008 would be approximately $55,000,000 with expected annual increments by 10 % and that would leave us with $26,870,346 to spend, and that's AFTER Bosh's extension. Now, we would only have 6 players under contract, and assuming we bring back Sow ($1.5 million?), Calderon ($3 million?), Bonner ($3 million?) and Peterson ($6 million?) that leaves us in the neighbourhood of $13,370,346 to spend with 10 players under contract. But because we hold Bosh's bird rights, we can sign him after we've used up the cap space - much like how Cleveland signed Ilgauskas after signing Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall - and that adds another $9.8 million to the fund. After all is said and done, we would have $23,170,346 in cap room to spend come the summer of 2007. Now, if Alvin decides to retire, that frees up another $6,850,000, which puts the total available capspace at $30,020,346. The Roster looks like this with the cap unspent and Alvin retiring: C: Rafael Araujo © PF: Chris Bosh (PF) SF: Charlie Villanueva (SF/PF) SG: Joey Graham (SG/SF) PG: Jose Calderon (PG) 6: Morris Peterson (SF/SG) 7: Rafer Alston (PG) 8: Matt Bonner (PF) 9: Pape Sow (C/PF) We will be 2 deep at C with Araujo and Sow, 2 deep at PF with Bosh and Bonner, 2 deep at SF with Villanueva and Peterson, 2 deep at SG with Graham and Peterson and 2 deep at PG with Calderon and Alston. We still need another point guard, a starting caliber centre, and another swingman or a shooter. We do hold two first found picks in the 2006 draft, and another one in 2007, so there's three potential complimentary players right there. What to do with that kind of money? Well, the following are on my list: 1. Sign Jamaal Magloire (At $9-10 million in first year) 2. Bring over Ukic (At $3-5 million in first year, depending on how he's progressed) 3. Bring over Slokar (At $1-2 million in first year, depending on how he's progressed) 4. Fill out the remainder of the roster with veterans who will help the young guys After everything's done, the roster should stand like this: C: Jamaal Magloire PF: Chris Bosh SF: Charlie Villanueva SG: Joey Graham PG: Roko Ukic 6: Jose Calderon 7: Morris Peterson 8: 2006 Lottery Pick 9: Matt Bonner 10: Rafael Araujo 11: 2006 Denver Pick 12: Pape Sow 13: 2007 Toronto Pick 14: Uros Slokar IR: Rafer Alston (If he is still a Raptor) With the addition of Magloire, we become the automatic 1st in the Atlantic Division. If Villanueva and Graham develop into borderline all-stars, and Ukic is as good as advertised, I think it's safe to say that we will become, at the very least, an Eastern Conference Finalist.
hm i am starting to get an idea of babcocks plan and if it actually runs smoothly and everything that he planned gets accomplished--i'll be happy it seems like a really damn good plan for me
With the addition of Magloire, we become the automatic 1st in the Atlantic Division. If Villanueva and Graham develop into borderline all-stars, and Ukic is as good as advertised, I think it's safe to say that we will become, at the very least, an Eastern Conference Finalist.[/QUOTE] thats a real bold statement but if you do think about it iverson carter and pierce(if all still in atlantic) will be in there 30's and expect bosh to be the best player in the atlantic, but then you still have bostons group which if stays toghether will be very impressive pg-west sg-allen sf-green pf-jefferson c- who ever then you have iggy in philly but no one knows if he can lead a team. then you have jefferson who can lead a team statistically as he proved in the begining of last season but not winning wise. and you also have ny who nate robinson looked really sharp in summer league. so all in all the raptors if they build around BOSH, even if it means trading charlie v so bosh plays pf and not center unless charlie decides he is willing to play center of sf, then you go off from there.
The Sixers and the Nets will be on the decline with Webber / Iverson and Kidd / Carter entering 30's. The Knicks and the Celtics will provide competitions, if Isiah Thomas is fired and Gerald Green develops into an all-star. Charlie knew Bosh was here to stay when he said he wants to play for the Raptors, and he should be expecting most of his minutes from the SF / C until we get a competent centre either through the draft or FA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Year 05-06 1. Sign Jamaal Magloire (At $9-10 million in first year) 2. Bring over Ukic (At $3-5 million in first year, depending on how he's progressed) 3. Bring over Slokar (At $1-2 million in first year, depending on how he's progressed) 4. Fill out the remainder of the roster with veterans who will help the young guys After everything's done, the roster should stand like this: C: Jamaal Magloire PF: Chris Bosh SF: Charlie Villanueva SG: Joey Graham PG: Roko Ukic With the addition of Magloire, we become the automatic 1st in the Atlantic Division. If Villanueva and Graham develop into borderline all-stars, and Ukic is as good as advertised, I think it's safe to say that we will become, at the very least, an Eastern Conference Finalist.</div> I don't really think we become the Automatic first with Jamaal Magloire, especially with Roko Ukic at point guard. I haven't seen him play much on Live Feed ( I think he was on for 1 or 2 shifts only) and wasn't especially impressed when I did. In 2007, NJ will still have Vince Carter and RJ. Jason Kidd will only be 34ish (I believe). Boston will have all their young players, (2 years seasoned). NY will still have Larry Brown and you never know what changes could occur under Isiah Thomas. In Philadelphia, Chris Webber is in the final year of his contract, and Jamaal Mashburn and Todd Macloulloch's salaries come off at about 17 million. Iverson as well is 32/33ish so he's not so old that he won't be factor. Besides Magloire will be 30 as well, does that mean he'll be slowing down too? The Raptor's team I see above isn't much better than the Minnesota team last year. I guess it all depends on how much the Eastern Conference declines and the players the Raptors pick up in the Drafts during the years. For me personally, The only way I see the Raptors becoming the best team in the Atlantic in 2007/2008 is if they pick up some really good Free Agents in that year (does anyone know which agents will be available?) and and have a solid Draft in 2006 and 2007 (I should make a comment about Babcock here but, *meh* everyone is talking about him having a plan of some sorts so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt).
We obviously can't predict how good we will be in 3 years because the other teams don't just stay stagnant, and we can't really predict how good Graham and Villanueva will be. Isn't Boston in the Atlantic? I'm pretty sure they're the team that at the moment has the best chance of being very good in the Division consdering all the talented young players they have. A few things I don't really like. Graham at SG, I don't think he's a SG by any means, he just doesn't have a SG's game, he's not much of a ball handler in that sense, and not much of a passer, just look at his A/T ratio in college. The PG situation is not certain either because we really don't know how good Jose or Ukic will be. Lastly, Jamaal Magloire will be turning 30 the year we sign him, and I wouldn't give him a contract for that much at that age because he gurantess nothing. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the obsession with the guy, he's not that good, decent, but nothing special. In addition to that, we'll also have at least 3 more draft picks before then, so we could even already get a young good center. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Sixers and the Nets will be on the decline with Webber / Iverson and Kidd / Carter entering 30's. The Knicks and the Celtics will provide competitions, if Isiah Thomas is fired and Gerald Green develops into an all-star. Charlie knew Bosh was here to stay when he said he wants to play for the Raptors, and he should be expecting most of his minutes from the SF / C until we get a competent centre either through the draft or FA.</div> I'm pretty sure all those guys except for Carter are already 30. The factor you're neglecting is things like trades, surprise draft picks, etc etc. New Jersey will have a 30 year old Carter, and a 27 year old Jefferson, so they should be fine. Also Kristic could improve a lot and be good for them, who knows, and that other European center they have might do something. You never really know...
I would subtract about 6-8 million from that 30 mill cap room, though i am including First round draft picks with their salaries included.. and giving Magloire 9 mill, i don't think it's worth it..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">We obviously can't predict how good we will be in 3 years because the other teams don't just stay stagnant, and we can't really predict how good Graham and Villanueva will be. Isn't Boston in the Atlantic? I'm pretty sure they're the team that at the moment has the best chance of being very good in the Division consdering all the talented young players they have. A few things I don't really like. Graham at SG, I don't think he's a SG by any means, he just doesn't have a SG's game, he's not much of a ball handler in that sense, and not much of a passer, just look at his A/T ratio in college. The PG situation is not certain either because we really don't know how good Jose or Ukic will be. Lastly, Jamaal Magloire will be turning 30 the year we sign him, and I wouldn't give him a contract for that much at that age because he gurantess nothing. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the obsession with the guy, he's not that good, decent, but nothing special. In addition to that, we'll also have at least 3 more draft picks before then, so we could even already get a young good center. I'm pretty sure all those guys except for Carter are already 30. The factor you're neglecting is things like trades, surprise draft picks, etc etc. New Jersey will have a 30 year old Carter, and a 27 year old Jefferson, so they should be fine. Also Kristic could improve a lot and be good for them, who knows, and that other European center they have might do something. You never really know...</div> yea and nj will also have wright not sure how good hes gunna be but
doesn't morning already not count against our cap because of the 1 time deal all nba teams got with regards to waiving a player this year? i know we still have to pay him but doesn't his salary not count against the cap?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting a13x:</div><div class="quote_post">doesn't morning already not count against our cap because of the 1 time deal all nba teams got with regards to waiving a player this year? i know we still have to pay him but doesn't his salary not count against the cap?</div> No, we only save money in luxury tax.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Lastly, Jamaal Magloire will be turning 30 the year we sign him, and I wouldn't give him a contract for that much at that age because he gurantess nothing. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the obsession with the guy, he's not that good, decent, but nothing special. In addition to that, we'll also have at least 3 more draft picks before then, so we could even already get a young good center.</div> I agree. Sure, he's a huge upgrade over anyone we have here (excluding Bosh b/c he is a natural PF) but he's not a star by any means. He's probably going to put up similar type numbers as Antonio when he was here. I don't see him improving much more, he's pretty much at his peak already.
If anything, the Raps will have a solid group of young guys available to them; with the upcoming draft picks by 2007-2008. I don't think signing Magloire would be a primary option, since I'm sure the Raps will make many more moves by that time. If the Raps are going to spend that bit of cash; it will definitely be spent on signing/re-signing our younger players, including those that will be drafted in the future and the ones over in Europe right now. Maybe the Raps will draft a center next summer, so that they wouldn't have to sign a free agent. It's way to early to say and only time can certainly tell. As for the Atlantic, I expect Carter to be a tremendous impact for that team for years to come, but I don't think that team will go anywhere. Kidd will probably be moved...but maybe they will get better players. Krstic is a great player and I expect a lot of improvement from him. New York will probably be a dominant team and they always are. The last couple of seasons were pretty bad, but they have the right players to win. Maybe Larry Brown will help them get to that next level? Also, with Isaiah Thomas as GM, Lord knows who else they are willing to get.
How come everyone neglects Jefferson when talking about the Nets, he's a pretty good player, their youngest "star", and he's still improving.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">How come everyone neglects Jefferson when talking about the Nets, he's a pretty good player, their youngest "star", and he's still improving.</div> I didn't
Jefferson can't win alone. He's shown that he can't last season when Kidd was out due to the surgery to his knee and Vince was still a Raptor.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">We obviously can't predict how good we will be in 3 years because the other teams don't just stay stagnant, and we can't really predict how good Graham and Villanueva will be. Isn't Boston in the Atlantic? I'm pretty sure they're the team that at the moment has the best chance of being very good in the Division consdering all the talented young players they have.</div> That's why I said 'If' Graham and Villanueva becomes borderline all-stars. Same goes to Boston, 'If' and when Gerald Green takes over Paul Pierce's role as their superstar guard / forward, and 'if' Al Jefferson develops into something special, then they have a chance at the Atlantic Division Title as well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A few things I don't really like. Graham at SG, I don't think he's a SG by any means, he just doesn't have a SG's game, he's not much of a ball handler in that sense, and not much of a passer, just look at his A/T ratio in college. The PG situation is not certain either because we really don't know how good Jose or Ukic will be.</div> We'll see about that when the pre-season tips off. In my opinion, if Morris Peterson can learn to become a SG, so can Joey Graham. He's already stated on Fan590 that he is working hard on his guard-skills and if you haven't seen him in high school, he was a starting PG. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lastly, Jamaal Magloire will be turning 30 the year we sign him, and I wouldn't give him a contract for that much at that age because he gurantess nothing. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the obsession with the guy, he's not that good, decent, but nothing special. In addition to that, we'll also have at least 3 more draft picks before then, so we could even already get a young good center.</div> True enough, I missed the fact that Magloire will be 30 as well. In that case I will be against signing him to anything more than $4-5 million / year for any longer than 3 years. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm pretty sure all those guys except for Carter are already 30. The factor you're neglecting is things like trades, surprise draft picks, etc etc. New Jersey will have a 30 year old Carter, and a 27 year old Jefferson, so they should be fine. Also Kristic could improve a lot and be good for them, who knows, and that other European center they have might do something. You never really know...</div> Yup, Webber's already 32, Iverson's 30 and Kidd is 32. Which in 2 years translates to Webber being 34, Iverson 32 and Kidd 34. I don't think a 30-year old Carter, a 34-year old Kidd and a 27 year old Jefferson would be enough to compete with the likes of Toronto and Boston at that time. The Nets don't have much chance of improving through draft because they will be making the playoffs until that year and that guarantees them mid-to-late first rounders, including the Clippers' pick because it looks like they will at least make the .500 mark this season with Brand, Maggette, Cassell and Mobley.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We'll see about that when the pre-season tips off. In my opinion, if Morris Peterson can learn to become a SG, so can Joey Graham. He's already stated on Fan590 that he is working hard on his guard-skills and if you haven't seen him in high school, he was a starting PG.</div> Highschool means nothing IMO, a lot of NBA perimeter guys could've played PG in highschool if they needed to.
vinkaddy, with all due respect u have a major flaw in your analysis- u assume the raptor prospects will develop. and this notion of a friendly cap scenario is so over-hyped; the hawks and others have seemingly enjoyed lots of cap room for the past few off seasons yet nobody wants to go there.
Of course they could play PG in high school. They could play center if they wanted to because there's not a lot of highschool centers who are taller than 6'7 / 6'8. The point is, he played PG and he excelled at it, averaging 19.8 PPG, 9 RPG and 8 APG. He also played SG as a freshman for Central Florida before transferring to Oklahoma State. I found this tidbit on Joey Graham: http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/draft05_qa_graham.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you think you can bring to the NBA next season? "Well, I'm a versatile guy that can play the 2 and the 3. I think I can bring toughness and definitely shooting and aggressiveness. A lot of teams need someone to play defense and play hard, and I think I can give a team some great minutes."</div>
