Warriors 2nd round pick = Kosta Perovic?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder what trades will go down on the 1st</div>

Knowing Mullin, he'll sit tight and put his playoff stamp of approval on his current core of 23 and unders...

Man, I guess our asses will get reemed just in time to pick somebody high up in next year's supposedly deep draft. If Greg Oden is the sht and we don't draft him because we have too many centers, I'll be pissed.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">... and Pietrus as backup! Probably the only guy on our team packed with some scary talent like Monta Ellis possesses, but is so dumb he cannot play the team game or make it through the 4th quarter without incident.

Talk about Mullin putting people in all these sorts of positions to fail... I wish Cohan would give Mullin an ultimatum like Dolan did to Isiah. Start designing right or coach it yourself and you've got one year to start winning.</div>

Maybe Mullin will suit up and start the season as a back up SF. Then, he will be a starting SF when he beat Dunlavy in twenty one by 21-4...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Overall feeling is that this year's draft really feels like a bust. When I heard that OBryant is a good cook, my immidiate thought was Fuller and Foyle with great GPA. Hope that's not the case...</div>

That's insane, I thought of the exact same thing.

We were one pick away from Gay and we didn't do a damn thing to trade for that 8th pick.

Mullin sucks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">That's insane, I thought of the exact same thing.

We were one pick away from Gay and we didn't do a damn thing to trade for that 8th pick.

Mullin sucks.</div>

One flip coin away... one flip coin away from Gay... But then, what make us to say we would have drafted Gay if we had 8th pick? I so hope OBryant will become Kaman instead of that Toronto center...

 

I wasn't excited about this draft... honestly, I don't think Gay will amount to anything either. We'll see what the roster looks like after Murphy can be traded.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">One flip coin away... one flip coin away... But then, what make us to say we would have drafted Gay if we had 8th pick? I so hope OBryant will become Kaman instead of that Toronto center...</div>
Kwan, you are right on the money on Mullin's drafting strategy. He's not only about finding size (his last few drafts were about size), but he's also about protecting baby.

I'm sure had we had the #1 pick in 2003, it wouldn't be Lebron or Melo benig selected because that would threaten Dunleavy Jr's starting spot, just like being at #8 means he'd probably avoid Rudy G. As long as he keeps Pietrus on board and Mike Montgomery without anybody else to run the plays or pound the ball inside to, Dunleavy keep his job as PF running the point or SF running the point. Yay!

 

Dunleavy is like a spoiled 16 year old girl. Has a father who was a very good NBA player. Went to Duke and showed glimpses of being a special player and was drafted #3. We trade away Jamison and Dunleavy gets his spot. We pass on Granger last year, give him a lucrative contract and he craps on the season. This year we draft someone who isn't a threat to Dunleavy.

How many chances is this guy going to get? I could live with Dunleavy if we didn't have both Foyle and Murph signed to HUGE contracts.

For being one "active" businessman, Mullin laid a huge egg.

 

It's not over yet.. there's still time for the roster to get shaken up

 

It's a good second round and we wasted opportunities-but some of that is that only Calbert expires and it may be we have no trades of any sort and they felt there was no roster spot. Reports seem to conflict. I'd actually had him as a late 2 on a couple of scenarios. I saw mentions of him having decent games-more points,boards than the profiles suggest. NBA Draft Net's profile is a year old,but however you slice it...he's so far down the list,he'd need to take a number to just get garbage minutes-so the idea he can stay in Euroball was part of that pick. Kind of a what if- thing.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe Mullin will suit up and start the season as a back up SF. Then, he will be a starting SF when he beat Dunlavy in twenty one by 21-4...</div>

Sure, why not? It's not like our free throw shooting or defense is getting any better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">It's a good second round and we wasted opportunities-but some of that is that only Calbert expires and it may be we have no trades of any sort and they felt there was no roster spot. Reports seem to conflict. I'd actually had him as a late 2 on a couple of scenarios. I saw mentions of him having decent games-more points,boards than the profiles suggest. NBA Draft Net's profile is a year old,but however you slice it...he's so far down the list,he'd need to take a number to just get garbage minutes-so the idea he can stay in Euroball was part of that pick. Kind of a what if- thing.</div>
You know I've always felt that nbadraft.net was way behind on their analysis on most of those prospects. I think it is because you have to pay to get the latest info. All the stuff they were talking about like guys not shooting it well or they don't do a certain thing and I'm like... wait... that's not an accurate observation. So it must be old.

Let's hope the offseason goes well... Man after last year's draft I thought it was good, but then Mullin f-ed up the offseason by not doing things to make the team better. He just thought we'd get by by standing pat and then also re-signing Dunleavy before trying him out some more. I will definitely call for Mullin's head if this offseason isn't spectacular and the team design isn't brilliant.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy is like a spoiled 16 year old girl. Has a father who was a very good NBA player. Went to Duke and showed glimpses of being a special player and was drafted #3. We trade away Jamison and Dunleavy gets his spot. We pass on Granger last year, give him a lucrative contract and he craps on the season. This year we draft someone who isn't a threat to Dunleavy.

How many chances is this guy going to get? I could live with Dunleavy if we didn't have both Foyle and Murph signed to HUGE contracts.

For being one "active" businessman, Mullin laid a huge egg.</div>

I tend to say I can live with Foyle except for Dunleavy's huge contract. It would be EASY to make Murphy a better,more efficient all round player. He's not used at all effectively. Dunleavy I no longer think you can even say do this or do that,rather its more like yoga or hypnotism or maybe he misses his teddy bear. ..theres a mood swing thing,something in his mind that makes him inconsistant,inefficient. He's had vastly more on the court experiance than Pietrus. It's not that Pietrus is DUMB..its that he's hardly ever had a starting gig. In Euroball young guys don't get the minutes,and here he got a few token starts

We played the Wiz a game which was a classic of bad reffing. Arenas got about 25 FTA's. By the second half,he'd figured out that he could be a heat seeking missle,take a running leap onto any Warrior-and it gets him to the line. He was blatantly charging-but the refs gave him the shots anytime HE could create contact-or they just called a proximity foul if he missed.
A week later-Pietrus does his normal drive move-a guy jumps in-a clear blocking foul-not set..but they call the charge. Next time..same deal. He gets as I recall 3 charging calls. 2 were easy blocking fouls. the other maybe was a charge..but sure would not have been were it Arenas. Biedrens and Ike also got cheated by corrupt or inept refs. Suddenly,howver..Pietrus is the Village Idiot and so Dun-33%fg-Done gets his minutes back. All Pietrus did was the main move he'd used 50 times,quite legit.

Another game he gets called for a travel,close but legit-then a few minutes later,another travel..and it's a blown call. Basically it's like Sorry but the rules are ANYTHING you do is a whistle. because we are the Striped Bastards and we say so.

Monty? I guess his sage advice is...well...don't drive..just shoot a corner 3

So we get more Dun going 1-7 and being a matador on D. Yuck

Someday a coach needs to have the BALLS to just take the team off the floor-tell the refs we concede since they won't call it even,and he takes the team to the locker room. I've seen a couple Warrior games a year where that's about all you can do. I'm sure it is not only us. How do you teach a Biedrens or Monta or Pietrus if the refs decide to call the game by a fictional "rulebook"? What do you tell the player.."get over it kid,that ref got paid off,get used to it"

The Warriors addressed a priority,got a legit C some felt could go higher. The Warriors did not Make a desperate BAD trade (yet) ..didn't make a good one either and missed out on picks that were literally given away or sold for cash. Perhaps the cost of unloading a stiff now was just too steep.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy is like a spoiled 16 year old girl. Has a father who was a very good NBA player. Went to Duke and showed glimpses of being a special player and was drafted #3. We trade away Jamison and Dunleavy gets his spot. We pass on Granger last year, give him a lucrative contract and he craps on the season. This year we draft someone who isn't a threat to Dunleavy.

How many chances is this guy going to get? I could live with Dunleavy if we didn't have both Foyle and Murph signed to HUGE contracts.

For being one "active" businessman, Mullin laid a huge egg.</div>
Ok first of all, I was hoping the Warriors drafted Gay. Kwan, I know I don't have to tell you this, but I will anyway: mark down that coin flip as the latest in the long history of the basketball gods screwing the Warriors out of a player...always coming up one slot late.

That being said, I'm singling out upsidedownside7's comments as just being unfair. Exactly what in that rant was Dunleavy's fault? He couldn't help who his father was, being picked #3, Jamison being traded, or the Warriors passing on a sf the past two years.

You can complain about him not living up to his contract all you want, but that's not really his fault either, it's Mullin's fault. What you can critcize Dunleavy for is regressing as a player, not fulfilling his potential, and generally not producing.

I don't mean to get off topic, I just couldn't let this one go. And before I'm dismissed as a Dunleavy lover, remember that I was hoping that they drafted Rudy Gay.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">That being said, I'm singling out upsidedownside7's comments as just being unfair. Exactly what in that rant was Dunleavy's fault? He couldn't help who his father was, being picked #3, Jamison being traded, or the Warriors passing on a sf the past two years.

You can complain about him not living up to his contract all you want, but that's not really his fault either, it's Mullin's fault. What you can critcize Dunleavy for is regressing as a player, not fulfilling his potential, and generally not producing.

I don't mean to get off topic, I just couldn't let this one go. And before I'm dismissed as a Dunleavy lover, remember that I was hoping that they drafted Rudy Gay.</div>

Yes it is his fault. He's had the chances that 95% of draftees NEVER EVER get and continues to put up 11 points a game. Give me a break.

He should be playing ball overseas.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes it is his fault. He's had the chances that 95% of draftees NEVER EVER get and continues to put up 11 points a game. Give me a break.

He should be playing ball overseas.</div>
What? Maybe it's me, but I don't get this. I said it's his fault that he's underproducing. But if you're going to be critical of him for that, you have to be even more critical of Pietrus because he puts up worse numbers across the boar PER MINUTE than Dunleavy and has lower shooting percentages in every category every year except 3 point % last year.

 

To REREM: Dunleavy... love him or hate him because his shot sucks more than it ever did, he's at least basketball smart. Pietrus is really dumb as a basketball player. My goodness and it really showed this year when teams made transition stops, or our coach/Derek Fisher took away the open court opportunity which turned into a halfcourt setting which we could not play honestly. And you know we need to play halfcourt because transitions stops will be made against us. Also, because we can't run forever, we're not that athletic, you still need to shoot, get to the foul line and we need to have wind in the 4th quarter). Pietrus just doesn't know what to do with the ball other than drive left whe the defender is also going to his left or foul when you're not supposed to foul even with everybody yelling "Don't foul!". It's like he hasn't learned English or he's just as basketball dumb as those other guys we drafted like Foyle. He's like the kid on the little league team in baseball that won't run on 2 outs, and then I hit a deep fly ball that one of the outfielders drops and the idiot gets thrown out because he thought he should have tagged up.

Pietrus is an incredible athlete, good baseline shooter, great above the rim player, but my goodness was I wrong about this guy and his ability to do something besides get in trouble when he goes one-on-one or when he has to move without the ball. It go so freakin' bad they had to just isolate him away from the inbounds play because he kept screwing it up. F- that man. I'd rather have James freakin' Posey if we're going to deal with that crap. At least the guy can play smart, defend well, and hit a few free throws now and then.

We can't win with either Dunleavy or Pietrus when one can't do and one can't think.

Also Foyle sucks. The center is the most important position to any team's defense and offense and we've got a guy who is one dimensional on one end and totally useless on the other. That guy needs to go as well. In fact this draft is pretty evident how happy Mullin is with the center position.

Murphy simply ain't all that. 'nuff said. He'll give you some offense in certain ways, hit some free throws when he's playing aggressive, and a consistent perimeter offense + rebounding is helpful. It's just when a majority of the centers in the league dont' do anything besides score on putbacks, we need a low post scorer at PF. Plus, if we had two big men that can block shots playing at the same time, it would help our mediocre perimeter D by scaring away guys from the paint. Dunleavy slightly averaged more blocks per game than Murphy this year. WTF? That's embarassing when elf boy outblocks your 6'11 guy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">What? Maybe it's me, but I don't get this. I said it's his fault that he's underproducing. But if you're going to be critical of him for that, you have to be even more critical of Pietrus because he puts up worse numbers across the boar PER MINUTE than Dunleavy and has lower shooting percentages in every category every year except 3 point % last year.</div>

Pietrus isn't paid 40 million, wasn't drafted 3rd and continues to eat away at Dunleavy's minutes. For a guy with that so many warts, he sure does manage to eat Dunleavy's minutes. What does that say about Dunleavy?

Face it, Dunleavy laid a fat egg. If you want to shift the blame to Pietrus for Dunleavy's shortcoming, go ahead. Don't expect me to follow.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes it is his fault. He's had the chances that 95% of draftees NEVER EVER get and continues to put up 11 points a game. Give me a break.

He should be playing ball overseas.</div>

Last I checked, I think it was the Gms who drafted Dunleavy, the Gms who re-signed his dunnothing butt. So, it was the GM's fault and also their inability to sign some decent big guy help which analysts all say we needed badly. I totally agree with those guys. Dunleavy's a scapegoat and our inside presence wasn't there, so in those things combined we lost. It wasn't Dunleavy's entire fault. It wasn't the fault of the short following he had in 2002 and 2003.

I mean I get mad at Foyle for being born with hands that couldn't catch crazy glue, but who drafted him, who signed him, who re-signed him for more money than he's been able to live up to? Warriors Gms! We've got Gms who couldn't build a winning franchise if they were handed the 2001 Lakers entire roster.

So with that said, it's not Dunleavy's fault, not Foyle's fault, not Murphy's fault, not Monty's fault, not Fisher's fault, but all the dumbass Gm's who thought it would be a good idea to fit all these guys together on a team with no direction whatsoever.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Last I checked, I think it was the Gms who drafted Dunleavy, the Gms who re-signed his dunnothing butt. So, it was the GM's fault and also their inability to sign some decent big guy help which analysts all say we needed badly. I totally agree with those guys. Dunleavy's a scapegoat and our inside presence wasn't there, so in those things combined we lost. It wasn't Dunleavy's entire fault. It wasn't the fault of the short following he had in 2002 and 2003.

I mean I get mad at Foyle for being born with hands that couldn't catch crazy glue, but who drafted him, who signed him, who re-signed him for more money than he's been able to live up to? Warriors Gms! We've got Gms who couldn't build a winning franchise if they were handed the 2001 Lakers entire roster.

So with that said, it's not Dunleavy's fault, not Foyle's fault, not Murphy's fault, not Monty's fault, not Fisher's fault, but all the dumbass Gm's who thought it would be a good idea to fit all these guys together on a team with no direction whatsoever.</div>

Foyle is a lost cause so comparing him is irrelevant.

Dunleavy has the potential to be a good player. If every player followed that logic they would never assert themselves, hide behind their contracts and blame the GM for signing them. Then why go to work?

No, he failed to step up.