Stephon: "From what I hear, dog-fighting is a sport" <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know most of you might have seen this by now. But if not... Capital 9 News in Albany posted it four hours ago. It was an interview with Stephon Marbury, who was up that way on Monday as part of his Starbury sneaker tour, and offered this thoughts on Michael Vick. (There's a brief horse racing promo at the start of the clip.) If you're having trouble with the link (my bad), here's the transcript: ?We don?t say anything about people shooting deers and shooting other animals. You know what I mean? From what I hear, dog-fighting is a sport. It?s just behind closed doors and I think it?s tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he?s one of the superb athletes and he?s a good human being. I think he fell into a bad situation.? You have to believe the Knicks - and James Dolan - can not be pleased with these misguided sentiments.</div> http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketba...hear_dogfi.html
Here he goes again. He does have a point, I mean hunters kill lots of animals during the year. I think that is just as bad as killing dogs. I think hunting should be banned.
There are seasons for hunting. Yes, people kill animals out of season, and those people deserve to be prosecuted. There is a reason why hunting is legal though, there is an abundance of that specific animal at that time of year. You also don't torture the animal when you hunt it if you've got any respect at all. Fighting animals is sick and inhumane. I think it's about time Stephon OD's or something, because he's just becoming an idiot now. Vick a good guy in a bad situation? That stupid MF'er put himself in that position. Vick is a talented jack ass who turned his back on the Falcons, the NFL, and most importanly his fans when he flipped them off. He's a douche bag and I'm glad he's going to prison. I'm so sick of these hunting = dog fighting arguments. If you know anything about ethical hunting at all, you'd know that it's respectable and no where near dog fighting.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm so sick of these hunting = dog fighting arguments. If you know anything about ethical hunting at all, you'd know that it's respectable and no where near dog fighting.</div> So what's the difference between dog fighting and hunting?
I said ethical hunting. Let's see. Dog Fighting.. -You let two dogs go at each others throats until one is dead or unable to continue and usually the loser gets killed in a vicious manner (hanging, drowning, shot, electrocuted, slammed to the floor) -You inject the dogs with steroids so they bulk up -You train the dogs to be killing machines -You forcefully rape female dogs by a male dog to constantly pump out puppies that are turned into killing machines Do you want me to continue/ Ethical hunting... -You hunt the animal when it's in season. In other words, you hunt the animal when the population of that animal is at it's yearly high. -It saves a ton of animals from starvation and disease due. -Regulates natures capability to serve the right amount of species. -You don't viciously kill the animal. There is a kill zone that you fire at, and only at that spot. You respect the animal when it's dying. That's ethical hunting. I hate unethical hunters. People who hunt out of season or people who hunt just to hunt for the trophy head and not eat the meat. There is no difference between hunting and raising cattle for slaughter. It provides food. Unethical hunters should get the same punishment as dog fighters. If you really believe hunting and dog fighting are the same thing, then you're oblivious to the facts of hunting. Until I see a deer on steroids when I'm out hunting every November, they're not even close to the same thing. Hunting is respectable if done properly, dog fighting isn't respectable any way at all.
What about the pork industry? I remember M Two One posting a video on it a while ago. Anyway, the pigs are overfed chemically processed food and it makes them so heavy they often break their legs. Not to mention they are placed in cells so small they can't turn around and have their throats slit while they are still alive. So, anyone who eats pork here would be supporting that industry. My point is while Vick is wrong for doing what he did, especially in the manner he did it in (electrocuting, drowning, etc.) there are similar animal-related crimes which go unnoticed. I think that's what Marbury was trying to say.
The food industry is pretty disgusting, but people still buy it when they're well aware of what goes on. I don't know, Marbury seemed, to me at least, that he was trying to defend Vick. I think Vick's actions are disgusting and he deserves what's coming to him. But you have to admit MrJ, Marbury has been pretty loopy this off-season.
I'm not going to bother defending dog fighting, it's appalling and criminal on the best of days, imo. <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I said ethical hunting. Ethical hunting... -You hunt the animal when it's in season. In other words, you hunt the animal when the population of that animal is at it's yearly high. -It saves a ton of animals from starvation and disease due. -Regulates natures capability to serve the right amount of species. -You don't viciously kill the animal. There is a kill zone that you fire at, and only at that spot. You respect the animal when it's dying. </div> -Why does it matter if the species is "in season" or not? The hunting is unnecessary, and therefore unethical. -I think humans have interfered with nature well enough. Who are we to interfere even more, and then justify our actions by claiming that it saves animals? -Nature can take care of itself. Or atleast, it could if we stopped destroying it. It does not need regulation, and it eventually, when all of the times we've "regulated" nature culminate, it does a lot more harm than good. -Why would you have respect for something you senselessly kill? Te way those dogs were killed is much more gruesome, and cruel. Not to mention how they were forced to live and fight. But both animals die for absolutely no reason anyway. So it just adds up to the same thing. It would be possible to justify hunting back when we didn't have the agricultural means we do today, and the nutritional information required to keep ourselves healthy. For most of human history hunting was an appropriate means of survival. However, as of right now, hunting is more or less just for sport and those who enjoy meat. Though, again, anthropologically speaking hunting can be justified. I just don't see how anyone could ethically defend it. I'm not saying hunting is just as bad as dog fighting. But I don't see how you could defend the moral of either. As far as the food industry goes, it can't be justified either. That's why I'm a vegetarian.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As far as the food industry goes, it can't be justified either. That's why I'm a vegetarian.</div> Have you seen how cruel those massive machines are ripping the plants out of the ground, root and all !?!
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Have you seen how cruel those massive machines are ripping the plants out of the ground, root and all !?!</div> lmao How about when you bite into a tomato, and all the juice squirts out? Make a feel like a man? Just playing. I love meat. I've seen those videos and they don't effect me. I have to agree with Mamba, Hunting and Dog fighting are different. You can't justify that when you make dogs commit genocide that it is like when a man hunts a deer. I'm saying if you made deer fight, know one would care, but when dogs fight it is worse.
lol Deer are peaceful animals, they wouldn't fight eachother and I don't think you know what Genocide means.
Deer actually fight all the time during mating season. But in general, they're peaceful animals. I can't argue with a vegetarian...they don't eat meat.
<div class="quote_poster">Skillz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol Deer are peaceful animals, they wouldn't fight eachother and I don't think you know what Genocide means.</div> My bad, I shouldn't of used it. Dogs arn't a race, ethinical or cultural group. But I ment was to make dogs fight each other, is horrible.
just because hunting exists it does not justify dog fighting! what a bunch of retards the two things are compltely seperate, people are betting against animals filled with drugs ripping each other apart, that isnt natural man. its fuked up if you think that kind of **** is fine, your a bad person if you think thats fine. stephon is getting weirder and wieder though. i would be really conserned with the guys recent comments, it looks like he is actually losing his mind. This was a decent post until you used an irrelevant slew of profanities to bash Marbury. Please refrain from doing that. Thanks - MrJ
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">As far as the food industry goes, it can't be justified either. That's why I'm a vegetarian.</div> The millions of rodents ground up by grain-harvesting machines per year, would disagree with your assessment of the benefits of being a vegetarian. Also, hunting, from my understanding, is a cheap population control method. A herbivore without a predator breeds uncontrolled until it depletes its food source and they all die. Hunting, believe it or not, is a more humane way of putting an animal 'down.' Would you rather let it starve? On topic: Marbury contradicted himself. A good human being isn't an advocate of dog fighting.
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The millions of rodents ground up by grain-harvesting machines per year, would disagree with your assessment of the benefits of being a vegetarian. Also, hunting, from my understanding, is a cheap population control method. A herbivore without a predator breeds uncontrolled until it depletes its food source and they all die. Hunting, believe it or not, is a more humane way of putting an animal 'down.' Would you rather let it starve? On topic: Marbury contradicted himself. A good human being isn't an advocate of dog fighting.</div> Nowhere did Marbury say he supported dogfighting. He simply said "From what I hear, it's a sport" - just like cockfighting, which is still legal in Louisiana (it probably will get banned within a year or so, but as of now, it isn't). Similarly to killing dogs, people kill other animals and by eating products such as pork we are supporting the abuse which goes on in that industry. I think the whole hunting within season is a lame excuse for hunters to kill animals for the sport. Really, do people genuinely care about these animals? In many cases the ecosystem's imbalance is a direct result of some human activity (deforestation, wetland destruction, etc.) and now all of a sudden we want to help the situation by killing more animals? If a herbivore didn't have a predator in a particular environment, you can always get some from another environment (preferably one that is overpopulated) and let them regulate the population of that herbivore. Trust me, there are other alternatives. Besides, if a species population is declining, it could very well mean that the particular specie isn't suited to live in its environment and should therefore naturally go extinct. It's just like Charles Darwin's theory suggests: "Survival of the Fittest".
Marbury must have set a record for the most stupid remarks made in a single offseason. Bravo! Also please don't compare dog-fighting with hunting game. I'm not saying killing animals is alright, but at least they (hunted game) usually are dead in a matter of seconds. Dog-fighting is disgusting. I'm a dog owner and can't even bare to think of dogs being forced to fight for money, having their faces torn up.
<div class="quote_poster">Butter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury must have set a record for the most stupid remarks made in a single offseason. Bravo! Also please don't compare dog-fighting with hunting game. I'm not saying killing animals is alright, but at least they (hunted game) usually are dead in a matter of seconds. Dog-fighting is disgusting. I'm a dog owner and can't even bare to think of dogs being forced to fight for money, having their faces torn up. </div> Game don't always die quickly and can be torn apart by shotgun/etc. blasts to the face (IIRC). Like VC said in an earlier post of his, it is kind of random how people jumped all over Vick. I also think it is rather arbitrary how the government decides what a felony count of animal abuse is.
If you blast an animal in the face, you're not an ethical hunter. The kill zone is the heart/lung area and the animal is usually dead within a matter of seconds.
