Michael Vick - Drug Probe and Dog Fighting

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  1. DolfanDale

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    If there's one thing I can't stand, it's animal abuse. Dog fighting is just an abhorrent thing...

    I realize that it's probably Vick's buddy who was doing all this, but still...you have to be responsible for what goes on on your own property.

    I hope the NFL suspends Vick for this. If the new commish wants to show that no one is above the law in the NFL, he could very easily make Vick the poster child for his new policies on player off field behavior.
     
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    Well, the Commish will get to see Michael Vick on Saturday morning when they honor Virginia Tech right before the Draft starts.

    It might have been Vick's buddy who was doing the dirty work, but no one can tell me that Vick's money wasn't financing the operation and I bet he knew all about it and probably participated in it. When you consider all the trouble that Vick has gotten into, is it a far stretch to think that Vick is deeply involved? I don't think so.
     
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    I thought he did a right think when donating money to the Virginia Tech victims and all but coming from a dog owner, I find the news utterly disturbing. Doesn't he make enough money off the Falcons to not bet on dog fights? I am really pulling for him getting suspended and he has been caught with drugs before, right? Goodell, I leave it to you. 2 games minimum and 6 games maximum.
     
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    dis is the dumbest shit ive ever heard, if i made millions of dollars playing football, what the hell would i be doing making dogs fight, i thought they shoulda traded vick and kept schaub but falcons will suffer and so will vick when he get dat 4 game suspension
     
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    i personally dont think that Vick was involved in this its probably just his friend doing something really idiotic. dog fighting is absolutely disgraceful tho
     
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    I hear alot of this and this Suspend him??? why??? there is 0 proof that he was involved.. just because he is the owner of the property doesn't mean he knows whats going on.. I rent an apartment and i know the management doesn't know what goes on in my home.. If he was caught in the act then yes punish him to the full extent of the law.. But until then there is no reason to give an undeserving suspension
     
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    Did you guys read the part where it said that they took 66 dogs off that property? Who do you think makes the kind of money required to feed that many dogs? Besides, it wasn't a stranger renting this house. It's family. Here's a couple of telling quotes from a news article.

    In a 2001 profile by The Sporting News, he (Michael Vick) revealed having a pit bull that already had produced one litter and said he was trying to start a breeding kennel.

    "There's more to me than people might think," he said at the time.


    "We (the Humane Society) get a lot of calls, and people were always kind of kicking his name around," Goodwin said. "But it was always difficult to put together a complete case on the guy. The word is that he has multiple layers of protection. When the search warrant was executed and they found all the things they found, it really came as no surprise."

    Here's a link to the article.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070427/ap_on_...tS7tG1_MusLMxIF
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Did you guys read the part where it said that they took 66 dogs off that property? Who do you think makes the kind of money required to feed that many dogs? Besides, it wasn't a stranger renting this house. It's family. Here's a couple of telling quotes from a news article.

    In a 2001 profile by The Sporting News, he (Michael Vick) revealed having a pit bull that already had produced one litter and said he was trying to start a breeding kennel.

    "There's more to me than people might think," he said at the time.


    "We (the Humane Society) get a lot of calls, and people were always kind of kicking his name around," Goodwin said. "But it was always difficult to put together a complete case on the guy. The word is that he has multiple layers of protection. When the search warrant was executed and they found all the things they found, it really came as no surprise."

    Here's a link to the article.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070427/ap_on_...tS7tG1_MusLMxIF</div>
    And i will say it again its all speculation until proven he did something wrong the guy is innocent!!! You are entitled to your opinion but the fact remains there is no solid proof that he is involved
     
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    Your right. It is my opinion and my opinion is based on Michael Vick's personal history. Michael Vick told The Sporting News, in 2001, that he had bred one pit bull and had interest in starting a breeding kennell. Those are words from his mouth. The director of the Humane Society is saying that they have been hearing for some time that Michael Vick has been involved in pit bull fighting. 66 dogs were just taken off property that Michael Vick OWNS and his relatives occupy. I'm not saying that the NFL should suspend him until the authorities complete their investigation and decide who should face charges, but how many more pieces to the puzzle do people need in order to see the big picture. If people can't see what's going on, it's because they don't want to see it.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Your right. It is my opinion and my opinion is based on Michael Vick's personal history. Michael Vick told The Sporting News, in 2001, that he had bred one pit bull and had interest in starting a breeding kennell. Those are words from his mouth. The director of the Humane Society is saying that they have been hearing for some time that Michael Vick has been involved in pit bull fighting. 66 dogs were just taken off property that Michael Vick OWNS and his relatives occupy. I'm not saying that the NFL should suspend him until the authorities complete their investigation and decide who should face charges, but how many more pieces to the puzzle do people need in order to see the big picture. If people can't see what's going on, it's because they don't want to see it.</div>
    Its not that i don't see it.. its not that i don't think he did it.. I just think a suspension without knowing if he was involved is very unwarranted!! If Vick is Guilty i think he should receive a suspension of 1 year by the league and atleast 6 months in jail.. i would say higher but we all know how our court system works for celebrities
     
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    A Web site associated with a Michael Vick company, MV7, LLC, professes to be in the business of breeding pit bulls and other dogs as pets not for fighting.

    VicksK9Kennels.com states that, "We do not promote, support or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fightiing."

    The property Vick owns in Virginia where dozens of dogs were confiscated last week in a dog-fighting investigation is listed as the address for the Web site and the company, 1915 Moonlight Road, Smithfield, Va.


    So, Michael Vick owns a pit bull breeding company that lists, the house that he denyed knowing anything about it's pit bull breeding activities, as it's location. As far as I'm concerned, Michael Vick is busted. It will be interesting to hear what kind of lies he comes up with to dodge this evidence.

    Here's a link to the article.
    http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/f...2/0503vick.html

    Here's a link to the website.
    http://vicksk9kennels.com/
     
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    It'll be interesting the punishment he won't get. After all, NFL marketing & merchandise will suffer.

    Who would've thought that Marcus has been the better citizen since both have been in the pros?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Just another reason why I can't stand this idiot.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/foot...o.ap/index.html</div>
    God damn that makes me sick to my stomach. I broke a guy's jaw one time when I saw him beating a stray dog at Best Buy. I can't tolerate animal cruelty at all.

    Anyway, since Vick owns the property he will more than likely be held liable for the activities that have occured on the property. It is his property and therefore he should be aware of what is going on on the property. I hope he pays and pays dearly for allowing this to happen. Sick bastard.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Did you guys read the part where it said that they took 66 dogs off that property? Who do you think makes the kind of money required to feed that many dogs? Besides, it wasn't a stranger renting this house. It's family. Here's a couple of telling quotes from a news article.

    In a 2001 profile by The Sporting News, he (Michael Vick) revealed having a pit bull that already had produced one litter and said he was trying to start a breeding kennel.

    "There's more to me than people might think," he said at the time.


    "We (the Humane Society) get a lot of calls, and people were always kind of kicking his name around," Goodwin said. "But it was always difficult to put together a complete case on the guy. The word is that he has multiple layers of protection. When the search warrant was executed and they found all the things they found, it really came as no surprise."

    Here's a link to the article.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070427/ap_on_...tS7tG1_MusLMxIF</div>
    And i will say it again its all speculation until proven he did something wrong the guy is innocent!!! You are entitled to your opinion but the fact remains there is no solid proof that he is involved</div>
    I think if you find and read up on some case law involving criminal activity on personal property you would be surprised at how much trouble Vick could get into. He is the owner of the property and there was/is highly illegal activity going on there so he may be in very big trouble. Goodell will be the least of his worries when he is spending time in prison.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Your right. It is my opinion and my opinion is based on Michael Vick's personal history. Michael Vick told The Sporting News, in 2001, that he had bred one pit bull and had interest in starting a breeding kennell. Those are words from his mouth. The director of the Humane Society is saying that they have been hearing for some time that Michael Vick has been involved in pit bull fighting. 66 dogs were just taken off property that Michael Vick OWNS and his relatives occupy. I'm not saying that the NFL should suspend him until the authorities complete their investigation and decide who should face charges, but how many more pieces to the puzzle do people need in order to see the big picture. If people can't see what's going on, it's because they don't want to see it.</div>
    Exactly. Even though they don't have anything showing that he was physically there, circumstantial evidence should be enough to nail him. Just ask Scott Peterson about circumstantial evidence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

    I hope they put him in the slammer for a very long time.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'> A Web site associated with a Michael Vick company, MV7, LLC, professes to be in the business of breeding pit bulls and other dogs as pets not for fighting.

    VicksK9Kennels.com states that, "We do not promote, support or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fightiing."

    The property Vick owns in Virginia where dozens of dogs were confiscated last week in a dog-fighting investigation is listed as the address for the Web site and the company, 1915 Moonlight Road, Smithfield, Va.


    So, Michael Vick owns a pit bull breeding company that lists, the house that he denyed knowing anything about it's pit bull breeding activities, as it's location. As far as I'm concerned, Michael Vick is busted. It will be interesting to hear what kind of lies he comes up with to dodge this evidence.

    Here's a link to the article.
    http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/f...2/0503vick.html

    Here's a link to the website.
    http://vicksk9kennels.com/</div>
    LOL, I tried to send them an email telling them to take some vaseline to jail with them and the "contact us" page has been disabled.
     
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    http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php...d=1#post1625308

    I posted this on some legal advice forums and here is the first response.

    "He owned the property but a relative (brother?) lived there. Even if he's not paying rent, the relative is considered a month to month rentor by the courts. The relative who lives there bears the brunt of the responsibility.

    Michael Vick's liability depends on several things:
    Who bought the dogs?
    Who trained the dogs?
    Has Michael been on the property since the dogs arrived?
    Did Michael attend any of the dog fights?
    Have any of Michael's employees, property managers, etc. been on the property since the dogs arrived?
    Is there any proof that Michael was informed of the dog fighting activity before the police raid?
    How conceivable is it that a large scale dog fighting operation could be missed by Michael or his representatives when they were visiting the property?

    Most dog fighting laws revolve around owning the dogs, training them, organizing fights and attending fights. Owning the property as an absentee landlord is not sufficient to make him criminally liable."
     
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    Gee... I went to the K9 Kennels website and they had this to say about their featured "stud dog":

    # Look at this ultimate canine that is highly intelligent, powerful, well-framed, and has tenacious courage. He is naturally confident and will go through great lengths to fulfill all of his owner?s commands.

    # No other breed can compare. This dog has dignity, strength, an appealing appearance, and is committed to having extreme performance. You are looking at a well qualified family pet and protector.

    Maybe I'm just reading into things, but the whole "analysis" sure makes it sound like "Hey, this dog can fight!"
     
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    Of course the dog can fight, it was raised that way. Vick is a scum bag and I hope they can somehow connect him to the fights. I wish I would have been there when he flipped off the fans because I would have thrown my beer on him.
     

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