When Quinn fell that far we should have taken him and traded him later for high draft picks or an established player at a position we could use. We got a first a second AND a third in 1990 for Steve Walsh wich we drafted when we already had Aikman. When Aikman got going we traded Walsh. We could have gotten some value there. Well we still got a first next year but who knows how that will turn out. Jerry will be a year older and loonier by then. Later.....
No, the Cowboys did the right thing. I don't think Brady Quinn is worth a 1st and 2nd round draft pick and that's what you got for that spot.
Especially since the first rounder you got is probably going to be a top five pick next year. The Browns are terrible.
Agreed w/ PA & DD. Like I've said, Jerry Jones put the screws to Cleveland not once but twice. Who was running the Browns warroom? Drew Carey?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Who was running the Browns warroom?</div> This guy. http://charliesfryes.com/db3/00211/charlie...al_IMG_0683.jpg
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Who was running the Browns warroom?</div> This guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Who was running the Browns warroom?</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>This guy.</div> You mean that's not Drew Carey or the chick on his show who was always making fun of him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Especially since the first rounder you got is probably going to be a top five pick next year. The Browns are terrible.</div> I was going to say that but you beat me to it. Anyways, the Cowboys already have a good QB in Romo if they can get a new contract to him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Especially since the first rounder you got is probably going to be a top five pick next year. The Browns are terrible.</div> I was going to say that but you beat me to it. Anyways, the Cowboys already have a good QB in Romo if they can get a new contract to him.</div> thats yet to be proven Romo is a Good QB.. He started off really well then looked like shit the rest of the way.. so i really don't think we can say Romo is a Good QB... And how can i say that?? because Grossman started like Romo Just tore it up.. then fell off and looked bad and noone says Rex is a Good QB so to say that about romo who is yet to prove himself.. is undeserving
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Especially since the first rounder you got is probably going to be a top five pick next year. The Browns are terrible.</div> I was going to say that but you beat me to it. Anyways, the Cowboys already have a good QB in Romo if they can get a new contract to him.</div> thats yet to be proven Romo is a Good QB.. He started off really well then looked like shit the rest of the way.. so i really don't think we can say Romo is a Good QB... And how can i say that?? because Grossman started like Romo Just tore it up.. then fell off and looked bad and noone says Rex is a Good QB so to say that about romo who is yet to prove himself.. is undeserving</div> He shows promise. He only got to really play this year while being behind Bledsoe for his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'> I was going to say that but you beat me to it. Anyways, the Cowboys already have a good QB in Romo if they can get a new contract to him.</div> thats yet to be proven Romo is a Good QB.. He started off really well then looked like shit the rest of the way.. so i really don't think we can say Romo is a Good QB... And how can i say that?? because Grossman started like Romo Just tore it up.. then fell off and looked bad and noone says Rex is a Good QB so to say that about romo who is yet to prove himself.. is undeserving</div> He shows promise. He only got to really play this year while being behind Bledsoe for his career.</div> But promise doesn't make him a good QB!! Look at akili smith, Heath Schuler, cade Mcnown.. All ver promising QB's who probably had atleast 1 good game.. promise is just that Promise.. Lets see if he can be a consistant QB over a 1 hit wonder
So why did Quinn fall so far and how far would he have fell if Cleveland didnt trade up to get him? And how does a Heisman Trophy winning athlete like Troy Smith fall all the way to the 37th pick in the 5th round? Something doesnt add up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So why did Quinn fall so far and how far would he have fell if Cleveland didnt trade up to get him? And how does a Heisman Trophy winning athlete like Troy Smith fall all the way to the 37th pick in the 5th round? Something doesnt add up.</div> If the Browns didn't take him at 22, he probably would have gone to Kansas City at 23. The Troy Smith thing is a joke. Teams focus so much on combine numbers it's ridiculous. The knock on Troy Smith is that he's only 6 feet tall. Guess what? So is Drew Brees...and he is a Pro Bowl QB. I think Smith has a chance to make it, personally.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Especially since the first rounder you got is probably going to be a top five pick next year. The Browns are terrible.</div> Exactly. You should be happy. The Cowboys seem to be getting better and better so there should be a lot to look forward to. I still can't believe some of the trades made though. Talk about high prices. Take the Jets and Revis for example. They gave up their 1st, 2nd, and 5th round picks for the guy. And, I'm sorry, but how could the Dolphins pass on Quinn? He may not be elite but he would have made a damn good QB for them. I think they made a bad decision there but I guess we'll see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats_Fan420)</div><div class='quotemain'>And, I'm sorry, but how could the Dolphins pass on Quinn? He may not be elite but he would have made a damn good QB for them. I think they made a bad decision there but I guess we'll see.</div> No need to apologize. lol. Speaking of questionable moves, the Pats did sign K Washington, & Stallworth, as well as trade for Moss. See post #14 in the John Beck thread. I did say the phins would be better off w/ a 2nd or 3rd tier QB. I just did not think they'd waste it. For someone who relies on speed, Ginn may not be the same after <a href="http://www.nfl-forums.com/forums/miami-dolphins/ginns-injury-6658.html " target="_blank"> his injury</a> whether its a high ankle which I doubt or a Lis franc.
Hopefully those guys will work out for us. My optimism is based on what Brady was able to do with an average group of receivers last year. He has some big name guys this year so hopefully he will be able to kick some serious ass with them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats_Fan420)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully those guys will work out for us. My optimism is based on what Brady was able to do with an average group of receivers last year. He has some big name guys this year so hopefully he will be able to kick some serious ass with them.</div> Rick Reilly (SI (Yeah I know)) was discussing the Moss trade yesterday on the Dan Patrick show and said, "The Pats are desperate." & "If the Jets made this deal then Pats fans would say Moss is the kiss of death for them." RR continued by saying that "fans can be funny thinking a individual like Moss is an altar boy when he's suited in your fave teams uniform." Personally, I think if any franchise does their due diligence and can get lemonade out of these lemons then its the Pats. I am skeptical that there will be alot of lemonade served Foxborough but you really never know. Welker was a better investment. The media IMO made C Dillion out to be a bigger malcontent than he actually was. He did not like the Cincy mindset at the time but who could blame him? Takeo Spikes? Sometimes a change in scenery works wonders. Not having to be the focal point like Ricky was under Wanny can be helpful too. The idea of not having to be the man is what may resurrect Moss' career. I wish can could be as kind toward K Washington & Stallworth but can't. I will say that one or both won't make it a full season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HAILMARY)</div><div class='quotemain'>So why did Quinn fall so far and how far would he have fell if Cleveland didnt trade up to get him? And how does a Heisman Trophy winning athlete like Troy Smith fall all the way to the 37th pick in the 5th round? Something doesnt add up.</div> How does a heisman trophy winner in ken dorsey fall all the way to the 7th?? College is a completely different game.. the defenses aren't as good.. Just because someone is really good in college doesn't mean they will pan out in the NFL.. but then agian look at Marques Colston.. Tom Brady.. they were late round picks and look at where they are.. of course colston could be a 1 year wonder..
Matt Hasselbeck (a sixth round pick) has some interesting thoughts on the combine and its effect on where you're drafted: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=600519 He was drafted the same year as Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf. Leaf totally tanked, and yet a sixth round pick has been to two Pro Bowls and a Superbowl at this point. Seriously...some really good observations in there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats_Fan420)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully those guys will work out for us. My optimism is based on what Brady was able to do with an average group of receivers last year. He has some big name guys this year so hopefully he will be able to kick some serious ass with them.</div> Rick Reilly (SI (Yeah I know)) was discussing the Moss trade yesterday on the Dan Patrick show and said, "The Pats are desperate." & "If the Jets made this deal then Pats fans would say Moss is the kiss of death for them." RR continued by saying that "fans can be funny thinking a individual like Moss is an altar boy when he's suited in your fave teams uniform." Personally, I think if any franchise does their due diligence and can get lemonade out of these lemons then its the Pats. I am skeptical that there will be alot of lemonade served Foxborough but you really never know. Welker was a better investment. The media IMO made C Dillion out to be a bigger malcontent than he actually was. He did not like the Cincy mindset at the time but who could blame him? Takeo Spikes? Sometimes a change in scenery works wonders. Not having to be the focal point like Ricky was under Wanny can be helpful too. The idea of not having to be the man is what may resurrect Moss' career. I wish can could be as kind toward K Washington & Stallworth but can't. I will say that one or both won't make it a full season.</div> I see what you're saying and I understand it completely. I will be the first to say that I don't like Moss, Stallworth, or Meriweather. Their past attitudes have really irritated me. Stallworth is the least of my worries out of that group though. However, I also trust Belichick, Pioli, and Kraft's judgement. Apparently they had been thinking about taking these guys on for quite a while before doing it and these new guys SEEM to have the right attitude now. I can only hope they do but I do trust the FO's judgement. Hopefully these guys have learned the error of their ways and will behave for the Pats. If they do and they work hard for the team, I see tremendous upside potential.
