Warriors offseason: Pietrus, Barnes,Azubuike

It would be extremely hard to get Marion. First, he is an expring 18 mils contract. So, that alone is pretty valuable. Second, we have nobody to match his salary unless we trade Davis, Jackson or sign-and-trade Monta or Biedrins. Harrington makes roughly 9 mils, but we have to either trade Jackson along with him or gut out our entire rookie contracts such as Wright, Marco, Perovic, this year's rookie and probably something else just to match the salary. Third, I don't think he wants to give up 18 mils and opt out. Marion will probably look for a trade, but we don't have enough chips to make that move...

 

How would Marion solve any of our problems? He'd be a great addition as far as scoring and defending goes, but is he going to grab 10 boards a game and defend against bigger PF's? Like Kwan says, it'd be pretty difficult to get him in the first place, but even if we could, I don't know if that would fill any voids the team has.

 

Kensaku,

Marion is a career 10 rebound per game player. I'm not sure if he can defend bigger power forwards, such as Duncan, Amare, KG, etc, but he would be a perfect fit for Nellie's system at power forward. He was great for Phoenix. He can block shots and gets steals. He's great on the break. He shoots a high percentage, though mostly from garbage points. He can't shoot the three as well as Harrington, but that's about it.

The drawback is obviously there's no way the warriors could get him without losing important pieces. He's expensive, though in the last year of his contract if doesn't choose to opt out. Also he is not great in the playoffs, but at least he is good in the regular season. And he's getting kind old, so a long contract would be a mistake.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gohn @ Apr 20 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kensaku,

Marion is a career 10 rebound per game player. I'm not sure if he can defend bigger power forwards, such as Duncan, Amare, KG, etc, but he would be a perfect fit for Nellie's system at power forward. He was great for Phoenix. He can block shots and gets steals. He's great on the break. He shoots a high percentage, though mostly from garbage points. He can't shoot the three as well as Harrington, but that's about it.

The drawback is obviously there's no way the warriors could get him without losing important pieces. He's expensive, though in the last year of his contract if doesn't choose to opt out. Also he is not great in the playoffs, but at least he is good in the regular season. And he's getting kind old, so a long contract would be a mistake.</div>

I stand corrected, but he doesn't seem to be the dominating force on the boards as a true PF is/should be. I didn't have the luxury to really view him much on a game to game basis, so my opinion here may be unwarranted, but his career was in Phoenix, where boards were obtained more on transition than by getting good position and blocking off, which I think the Warriors need a player who can do that who is a true PF, not a pseudo PF like Harrington or Pietrus, as much as that type of player fits into Nellie's system. Biedrins is the only one on the team that does that, but he's our C. A true PF with size and skill on both ends of the court is what the Warriors need.

 

I'm hoping for Kevin Love! For non-Sean May and non-Ike Diogu fans, they probably won't like him. But seriously, we need an old school inside game. If we want a big power forward that's athletic, just use Biedrins at power forward. If we do that, then I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Shawn Marion for SF.
We put in Sjax at shooting guard, that might work.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Apr 22 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm hoping for Kevin Love! For non-Sean May and non-Ike Diogu fans, they probably won't like him. But seriously, we need an old school inside game. If we want a big power forward that's athletic, just use Biedrins at power forward. If we do that, then I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Shawn Marion for SF.
We put in Sjax at shooting guard, that might work.</div>

We need an old school inside game but we also need that player to be able to spread the floor, even just a little, and start or finish a fast break (we know Brandon Wright can finish a fast break). Biedrins at PF can't do that unless he learns how to shoot jumpers from the elbows (of the key). Sounds like a pipe dream, huh?

If Sjax plays SG, then I presume you're thinking Monta at PG. I think you're a little premature with the Baron-less Warriors speculation

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Apr 22 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm hoping for Kevin Love! For non-Sean May and non-Ike Diogu fans, they probably won't like him. But seriously, we need an old school inside game. If we want a big power forward that's athletic, just use Biedrins at power forward. If we do that, then I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Shawn Marion for SF.
We put in Sjax at shooting guard, that might work.</div>

We need an old school inside game but we also need that player to be able to spread the floor, even just a little, and start or finish a fast break (we know Brandon Wright can finish a fast break). Biedrins at PF can't do that unless he learns how to shoot jumpers from the elbows (of the key). Sounds like a pipe dream, huh?

If Sjax plays SG, then I presume you're thinking Monta at PG. I think you're a little premature with the Baron-less Warriors speculation
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I agree with hoping we can get Love. He might not be able to finish the break but he can definately start it. He is the best passing big man in the draft and his outlet passes are exceptional. As long as he knows where Monta is every rebound he gets should end up in a W's layup. I don't necessarily love his ofensive game but he will fit in well. Wether you call him a four or a five doesn't really matter, he'll guard the other teams bigger frontcourt player and he'll fit well with Biedrins or Wright, spreading the floor so they can work inside. I think he has almost as much range as Troy Murphy had when he came into the league, I just hope he doesn't turn into a Murphy or Brad Miller shooting 3s when they should be shooting from 15-18 ft.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Apr 17 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be extremely hard to get Marion. First, he is an expring 18 mils contract. So, that alone is pretty valuable. Second, we have nobody to match his salary unless we trade Davis, Jackson or sign-and-trade Monta or Biedrins. Harrington makes roughly 9 mils, but we have to either trade Jackson along with him or gut out our entire rookie contracts such as Wright, Marco, Perovic, this year's rookie and probably something else just to match the salary. Third, I don't think he wants to give up 18 mils and opt out. Marion will probably look for a trade, but we don't have enough chips to make that move...</div>

Good take Kwan. I used to think Marion was the answer at PF or SF because he is a major defensive stopper, grabs boards, can score and Nellie would definitely play him, but we don't have an Amare Stoudemire. Marion is an ultimate complementary player because he can't create like a T-Mac can. He would replicate what Biedrins and Wright do already.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Apr 23 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good take Kwan. I used to think Marion was the answer at PF or SF because he is a major defensive stopper, grabs boards, can score and Nellie would definitely play him, but we don't have an Amare Stoudemire. Marion is an ultimate complementary player because he can't create like a T-Mac can. He would replicate what Biedrins and Wright do already.</div>

I think you've WAY overvalued Wright and Beans. I like both kids, but Marion does pretty much everything. The point is moot because there's no realistic way to get Marion over without holding onto a point guard.

People need to get off the Wright bandwagon. He won't be ready to play for 2 years or so. I hope other GMs are evaluating him as high as most people on this board. Maybe Mullin can move him for a legitimate veteran (someone Camby/Wallaceesque)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CohanHater @ Apr 23 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Apr 23 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good take Kwan. I used to think Marion was the answer at PF or SF because he is a major defensive stopper, grabs boards, can score and Nellie would definitely play him, but we don't have an Amare Stoudemire. Marion is an ultimate complementary player because he can't create like a T-Mac can. He would replicate what Biedrins and Wright do already.</div>

I think you've WAY overvalued Wright and Beans. I like both kids, but Marion does pretty much everything. The point is moot because there's no realistic way to get Marion over without holding onto a point guard.

People need to get off the Wright bandwagon. He won't be ready to play for 2 years or so. I hope other GMs are evaluating him as high as most people on this board. Maybe Mullin can move him for a legitimate veteran (someone Camby/Wallaceesque)
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I don't think anyone expects Wright to be anything spectacular next year but I think we expect him to be a significant contributor while showing signs of progress (and weight!). I'm not sure trading him is the best idea right now. There are other players on the Warriors that need to be moved well before Wright.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think anyone expects Wright to be anything spectacular next year but I think we expect him to be a significant contributor while showing signs of progress (and weight!). I'm not sure trading him is the best idea right now. There are other players on the Warriors that need to be moved well before Wright.</div>

The only other "tradeable" piece left on the team is Biedrins. Monta is not going anywhere, Baron shouldn't be going anywhere, Jax could be going if the right deal came, but people STILL don't want to take a chance on him, and Harrington has no value. The truth of the matter, is that if the team wants to get better, they need to move wither Biedrins or Wright packaged with Harrington. I don't see the front office moving Beans unless a ridiculous offer came around.

I'll predict that Wright is a career bench player, or starter on a really bad team. I'm not willing to "wait" for that. But that's just my opinion. How many bean pole big men can you name that filled out and played legitimate minutes in the modern game?

 

Wow, that's a bold statement about Wright. I think you're forgetting how young he is. I don't think his physique is going to as big of an issue as you are eluding to.

For the record though, there have been a lot of "bean pole" players that have filled out quite nicely...

Jermaine O'Neal
Chris Bosh
Marcus Camby
Pau Gasol
Yao Ming

To name a few. All of these players' size/weight were in question when they first came into the league, and a lot of these players didn't blossom until many years after being in the league. It just goes to show you really can't make that kind of statement. If a kid can play, a kid can play. In his very limited time on the court, he has NOT shown that he can't play...all signs point otherwise.

As far as Biedrins being the only tradeable piece, that's really not true. As Warriors fans, it's easy to identify who has value to us such as Biedrins. A player that has little to no value to the Warriors may hold a lot of value on another team. Al Harrington for example, I think would add a lot of value as a sixth man to a championship contending team that already has its main pieces in place. He'd be great for the Spurs. I have a lot of hope that the Warriors will cut their losses and add more value to the team without sacrificing its current talent.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Apr 23 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CohanHater @ Apr 23 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think anyone expects Wright to be anything spectacular next year but I think we expect him to be a significant contributor while showing signs of progress (and weight!). I'm not sure trading him is the best idea right now. There are other players on the Warriors that need to be moved well before Wright.</div>

I'll predict that Wright is a career bench player, or starter on a really bad team. I'm not willing to "wait" for that. But that's just my opinion. How many bean pole big men can you name that filled out and played legitimate minutes in the modern game?
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Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh, Marcus Camby, Tyson Chandler, Jermaine O'Neal (only about 220 his rookie season). Kirilenko played a lot of his best seasons as a PF. Some more role players: Joe Smith, Hakim Warrick, Mikki Moore, Joakim Noah got 21 mpg this season, Amir Johnson is listed at 210 and Pistons fans think hes the future of their team.

IMO Wright will be much better than a bench player. He already proved he can contribute last season, next year I expect that to turn into a 6-8th man and regular rotation player. With Nellie it wouldn't even surprise me if he starts a lot of games.
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Ah, you beat me to it!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Mar 27 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, a lot can, and probably will happen during this offseason including those 3 players. In theory, we can only have Harrington, Jackson, Wright, Marco, and Perovic under the contract during this offseason.

For Pietrus, I don't see him coming back. The relationship between him and Warriors got pretty bad, and I don't see us throwing tons of money at him, when he showed minimal improvement over 5 years.

Barnes... No doubt he played horribly in this season. Warriors may give him a benefit of doubt, because he played so well last season and had tough time with his mother passing away. But, I don't see him getting more than minimum.

Azubuike will most likely opt out, but I don't think he will get more than 2.5 mil per year. At times, he looked great, but many times, he was non-factor, and at the end, he has bit better stats than Barnes. He probably is the top choice from those three players for Warriors though...</div>

MP: I think if he's not gonna cost an arm and a leg, then Mullin brings him back. Why? He's got Nellie as coach. One of the things he talked about this season was getting a guy that's not going to sit on the bench next to Nelson. He said it in a straightforward manner, but I gotta think it bothers him that Nelson doesn't play the players he's gotten like POB, Kosta and Wright. You got to think Nelson will play Wright in his rotation next season, so having MP as sixth man off the bench and part-time starter would be good insurance. MP wanted to go to Miami, so he wasn't expecting to get starter minutes or money.

Barnes: I wouldn't bring him back on a regular team, but he's another guy that fits Nellie's small ball style. So Mullin offers something close to the minimum hoping he doesn't get any other offers like this past season.

Azubuike: If he opts out, I think we lose him. I rather keep Azubuike than MP or Barnes, but in topsy turvy Nellie ball we probably won't be able to afford him if opts out. We got Monta and Belinelli, so we can't offer much to keep him. I hope he doesn't opt out and then we have insurance in case Baron goes down and Monta moves to PG or Belinelli turns out to be a dud.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, that's a bold statement about Wright. I think you're forgetting how young he is. I don't think his physique is going to as big of an issue as you are eluding to.

For the record though, there have been a lot of "bean pole" players that have filled out quite nicely...

Jermaine O'Neal
Chris Bosh
Marcus Camby
Pau Gasol
Yao Ming

To name a few. All of these players' size/weight were in question when they first came into the league, and a lot of these players didn't blossom until many years after being in the league. It just goes to show you really can't make that kind of statement. If a kid can play, a kid can play. In his very limited time on the court, he has NOT shown that he can't play...all signs point otherwise.

As far as Biedrins being the only tradeable piece, that's really not true. As Warriors fans, it's easy to identify who has value to us such as Biedrins. A player that has little to no value to the Warriors may hold a lot of value on another team. Al Harrington for example, I think would add a lot of value as a sixth man to a championship contending team that already has its main pieces in place. He'd be great for the Spurs. I have a lot of hope that the Warriors will cut their losses and add more value to the team without sacrificing its current talent.</div>

Marcus Camby was no bean pole, He was smaller than he is today, I think you need to take another look at Wright. Neither was Yao from the waist down. Don't look at pure weight here. I'll give you Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal, but Oneal hasn't been able to handle the weight he put on, and it took him years before he became productive.

You think that Wright has the potential to be any of the players on that list? I wish I could have this post stored and looked at in 5 years.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh, Marcus Camby, Tyson Chandler, Jermaine O'Neal (only about 220 his rookie season). Kirilenko played a lot of his best seasons as a PF. Some more role players: Joe Smith, Hakim Warrick, Mikki Moore, Joakim Noah got 21 mpg this season, Amir Johnson is listed at 210 and Pistons fans think hes the future of their team.</div>

Ok, let's throw out the guys who Wright isn't even on the same planet with talent wise. Garnett and Kiralenko. Tyson Chandler? I'm not willing to wait on Tyson Chandler. If that's all he's going to be, then trade him now.

Joe Smith, Hakim Warrick, Mikki More are exactly what I think Wright will end up being. I like the kid. I think he has a lot of heart and talent, but I just don't think he can make an impact player in the NBA.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CohanHater @ Apr 24 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Apr 23 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, that's a bold statement about Wright. I think you're forgetting how young he is. I don't think his physique is going to as big of an issue as you are eluding to.

For the record though, there have been a lot of "bean pole" players that have filled out quite nicely...

Jermaine O'Neal
Chris Bosh
Marcus Camby
Pau Gasol
Yao Ming

To name a few. All of these players' size/weight were in question when they first came into the league, and a lot of these players didn't blossom until many years after being in the league. It just goes to show you really can't make that kind of statement. If a kid can play, a kid can play. In his very limited time on the court, he has NOT shown that he can't play...all signs point otherwise.

As far as Biedrins being the only tradeable piece, that's really not true. As Warriors fans, it's easy to identify who has value to us such as Biedrins. A player that has little to no value to the Warriors may hold a lot of value on another team. Al Harrington for example, I think would add a lot of value as a sixth man to a championship contending team that already has its main pieces in place. He'd be great for the Spurs. I have a lot of hope that the Warriors will cut their losses and add more value to the team without sacrificing its current talent.</div>

Marcus Camby was no bean pole, He was smaller than he is today, I think you need to take another look at Wright. Neither was Yao from the waist down. Don't look at pure weight here. I'll give you Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal, but Oneal hasn't been able to handle the weight he put on, and it took him years before he became productive.

You think that Wright has the potential to be any of the players on that list? I wish I could have this post stored and looked at in 5 years.
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Hey, I'm not saying yes or no for sure. But we traded J-Rich for the guy and I'd like to see him get the opportunity to prove himself. Please don't twist my words around and say I'm predicting him to be a star. The only thing I can predict is he'll get a shot to show his talents. You're saying he won't become a great player, which is fair, but I think you might be surprised...I THINK

 

Of the three I'd keep Pietrus, but he probably won't sign with the W's.

Barnes, well, Boogielew was right.

Azubuike seems a like a nice player. But he seems like one of those perennial losers. The more minutes he plays the more the warriors lose it seems.