Al Franken

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    However, in that election, she was elected from the votes of people who had been proven to be dead for years.
     
  2. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    You can discuss possible improprieties in the election results if you want. For me, the other issue is more important. According to CREW, while not one of the "20 most corrupt" members of Congress, Norm Coleman is one of four others to have earned a "Dishonorable Mention." In my view, everyone on this list deserves to be drummed out of office. I'd be just as happy if he had been replaced by another Republican. As citizens, regardless of our affiliations and the party of our representatives, we should hold them ALL to the highest ethical standards. Here is the report on Coleman:

    SEN. NORM COLEMAN
    Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) is a first-term senator, representing Minnesota. His
    ethics issues stem from lodging he accepted in violation of the Senate gifts rule.

    Failure to Pay Rent

    When in Washington, Sen. Coleman lives in a basement apartment in the Capitol Hill
    townhouse of Republican operative Jeff Larson. Mr. Larson runs FLS Connect, a telemarketing
    firm, which has been paid over $1.4 million since 2001 by Sen. Coleman’s leadership political
    action committee (PAC) and two campaign committees. Mr. Larson is also the treasurer of Sen.
    Coleman’s PAC and provides it with office space in St. Paul, MN. Adding to the relationship
    between the pair, Mr. Larson’s wife, Dorene Kainz, had been employed as a casework supervisor
    in Sen. Coleman’s St. Paul office, though after National Journal questioned Sen. Coleman about
    this, his staff announced that she would leave the office on July 10, 2008.

    In March 2007, Mr. Larson and his wife purchased a townhouse on Capitol Hill. In July
    2007, Sen. Coleman began paying Mr. Larson $600 per month to rent a portion of the basement
    apartment. After National Journal began asking Sen. Coleman and Mr. Larson about the
    senator’s living arrangement, the senator “discovered” that he had failed to pay rent in
    November 2007 and January 2008, leading his wife to provide Mr. Larson with a personal check
    for $1,200. In addition, Sen. Coleman sold Mr. Larson some furniture -- a couch, table and
    chairs and a desk -- to cover one month’s rent, and Mr. Larson held onto Sen. Coleman’s March
    rent check for three months, until June 17, before cashing it only days after National Journal
    began making inquiries. Similarly, Sen. Coleman did not have a lease or pay utilities for the
    first year he lived in the apartment. On July 3, 2008, Sen. Coleman and his wife signed a lease
    and on July 14, 2008, Ms. Coleman wrote a $532.88 check for a year’s worth of utilities.
    According to his campaign manager, a verbal agreement with Mr. Larson was the basis for Sen.
    Coleman’s annual utility bill.

    Gifts Rule Violation

    Rule 35, paragraph 1(a)(1) of the Senate Code of Official Conduct states that “No
    Member, officer or employee of the Senate shall knowingly accept a gift except as provided in
    this rule.” The Ethics Manual defines “gift” to mean “any gratuity, favor, discount,
    entertainment, hospitality, loan, forebearance, or other item having monetary value. The term
    includes gifts of services, training, transportation, lodging and meals, whether provided in kind,
    by purchase of a ticket, payment in advance, or reimbursement after the expense has been
    incurred.”

    Over the past year, Sen. Coleman appears to have accepted lodging from Mr. Larson for
    at least three months without paying the agreed upon rent until caught by National Journal.
    Although Sen. Coleman recently paid $1,200 and Mr. Larson cashed a check for an additional
    $600 after National Journal questioned the pair about the payments, the fact that the payments
    were not made until flagged by the media heightens rather than diminishes the concerns over
    Sen. Coleman’s conduct. Sen. Coleman’s repeated missed rent payments and Mr. Larson’s
    failure to cash Sen. Coleman’s check suggest that Mr. Larson was not, in fact, necessarily
    expecting payment. Moreover, it is unclear whether the $600 rental rate represents the fair
    market value of the apartment considering other rental rates in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.
    After touring Sen. Coleman’s apartment, a Minneapolis Star Tribune reporter wrote that the
    space is not extravagant but well kept and renovated. A spokesman for Sen. Coleman said,
    according to their research, the senator is paying fair market value, but a Minnesota political
    group reported similar apartments on Capitol Hill rent for $1,100 to $1,450.

    Because lodging clearly falls within the Senate’s definition of “gift,” Sen. Coleman
    appears to have violated the Senate gifts rule by accepting free lodging from Mr. Larson,
    someone who financially benefits from his relationship with the senator. Further complicating
    the issue is the question of whether the salary paid to Mr. Larson’s wife as an employee in Sen.
    Coleman’s office might constitute the true payment of the rent. Also troubling is the fact that
    Sen. Coleman paid his back rent, and Mr. Larson cashed Sen. Coleman’s checks, only once the
    media began questioning the living arrangement. Finally, by failing to pay his utility bills, which
    were valued at $532.88 – well over the $49.99 permissible gift limit -- Sen. Coleman accepted an
    improper gift from Mr. Larson.

    On July 1, 2008, CREW filed a complaint with the Senate Select Committee on Ethics
    requesting an investigation into this matter to determine whether Sen. Coleman has violated the
    Senate gifts rule.


    http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/files/Coleman FINAL.pdf

    I removed the footnotes so it would be easier to read on the forum.

    Look, I am not partisan on this issue, and I don't see why anyone could be. The fact that there may or may not have been irregularities in the election results does not mitigate the fact that Coleman should not have the opportunity to represent Minnesotans at all. I guess you could argue that I'm being too militant about this, and that his alleged misconduct is relatively minor in the greater scheme of things, but that's the way I feel.

    Just my opinion--I appreciate that others feel differently, and I don't intend to get into a pissing match over it.
     
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  3. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

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    Al Franken is a huge fraud. He ran under the Paul Wellstone banner but he doesn't pass the smell test.

    If this guy becomes anything more than a rubber stamp for the far left, I'll be very suprised.
     
  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Democracy requires more than just sitting on your ass and hoping for a preferable outcome. Minnesotans get what they deserve if they let these results stand.

    BTW, that 538.com article demonstrated more of Nate Silver's bias than the WSJ's. Hilarious stuff.
     

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