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The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared.

Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”.

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
 
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Brings up a couple of decent questions:

One, if the Pope is someone who should be listened to on science, who's this dude to go against Benedict XVI?

And two, if the Pope is being denounced as a heretic by those in his own faith for views that are not in keeping with Biblical canon, and he's supposedly been living/studying them his whole life, why should he have any authority over things he hasn't been studying his whole life?
 
man, i love this pope, this guys is amazing. He is EXACTLY what the church needs to become relevant again. the truth.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Brings up a couple of decent questions:

One, if the Pope is someone who should be listened to on science, who's this dude to go against Benedict XVI?

And two, if the Pope is being denounced as a heretic by those in his own faith for views that are not in keeping with Biblical canon, and he's supposedly been living/studying them his whole life, why should he have any authority over things he hasn't been studying his whole life?
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I think it creates an interesting situation for Catholics that have denied evolution and the big bang due to their following of the church. How do they handle this change of stance? Do they ignore this particular pope (which doesn't align with they're following of the church), or do they change the views they've held for years and flip-flop?
 
Despite the huge gulf in theological stance between his tenure and that of his predecessor, Francis praised Benedict XVI as he unveiled a bronze bust of him at the academy's headquarters in the Vatican Gardens.

“No one could ever say of him that study and science made him and his love for God and his neighbour wither,” Francis said, according to a translation by the Catholic News Service.

“On the contrary, knowledge, wisdom and prayer enlarged his heart and his spirit. Let us thank God for the gift that he gave the church and the world with the existence and the pontificate of Pope Benedict.”
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wowsa, this guy is a rockstar
 
LOL...I just ask questions, b/c I have no stake in this game. The Pope doesn't dictate at all what I say, do or think. I do find odd the same thing bb30 said in Post 4...if a guy comes along disputing things that have been held as canon for (thousands of?) years, do you just say "ok, cool beans"? Or does he have to live up to some sort of scrutiny canonically (forget scientifically)?

As for the quotes, I don't quite get how asserting there is a Creator gets rid of Intelligent Design, but, to coin a phrase, whatevz.
 
im definitely not a catholic, but this is what religion needs, a fucking open mind
 
3RA1N1AC said:
im definitely not a catholic, but this is what religion needs, a fucking open mind
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Unfortunately this is the same person who said that curiosity distances a person from God, and that the spirit of curiosity is not a good spirit.
 
speeds said:
Unfortunately this is the same person who said that curiosity distances a person from God, and that the spirit of curiosity is not a good spirit.
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well, nobody said he was perfect!
 
speeds said:
Unfortunately this is the same person who said that curiosity distances a person from God, and that the spirit of curiosity is not a good spirit.
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Are you sure you have this quote correct?
 
speeds said:
Unfortunately this is the same person who said that curiosity distances a person from God, and that the spirit of curiosity is not a good spirit.
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hmm that seems like a direct conflict to what the Bible says. (not you, the quote)
 
y'all, dont get too curious about that quote
 
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hes all about not being curious about god returning (end of days fanatics), and not trying to force your belief with conjecture

seems legit to me
 
blazerboy30 said:
I think it creates an interesting situation for Catholics that have denied evolution and the big bang due to their following of the church. How do they handle this change of stance? Do they ignore this particular pope (which doesn't align with they're following of the church), or do they change the views they've held for years and flip-flop?
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According to their doctrine, the Pope is the closest thing to God they have on Earth. Ignoring him would be heresy.
 
speeds said:
http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...francesco-cotidie_20131114_spirit-wisdom.html
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I didn't get that at all in his message

The Holy Father added, however, that in the day’s Gospel passage from St Luke (17:20-25) “we find ourselves confronted by another spirit, which is opposed to the spirit of God: the spirit of curiosity. It leads us to want to become masters of God’s plans, of the future, of things, to know everything, to seize hold of everything”. He noted that in the Gospel passage, the Pharisees ask Jesus: ‘When will the kingdom of God come?’ “They were curious! They wanted to know the date, the day...”.
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This explains that our curiosity of "flesh" is what takes us further away from God. Understanding the natural world, as in the Universe or evolution, doesn't involve the "flesh of cursed Adam" as he was explaining in his message
 
MarAzul said:
Well then in your context, what is it you find "unfortunate" about the pope's message in your link?
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The pope discouraging curiosity, in his homily, to his followers.

I'm willing to accept that I will get push back from you or another person saying it is only within very specific context that he discourages curiosity but I don't find that convincing. Denouncing the spirit of curiosity seems to suggest a broader context than the specific examples cited in the homily. I don't think he is fixated on something as simple as gossip, I mean.
 
Maybe I warped his message.
 
speeds said:
The pope discouraging curiosity, in his homily, to his followers.

I'm willing to accept that I will get push back from you or another person saying it is only within very specific context that he discourages curiosity but I don't find that convincing. Denouncing the spirit of curiosity seems to suggest a broader context than the specific examples cited in the homily. I don't think he is fixated on something as simple as gossip, I mean.
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Oh no, I have no intention of giving you any push back. I will just observe that you find fault where I do not. Neither of us is Catholic I expect, but apparently you find fault in the pope where I do not. Perhaps you seek out fault, I tend to look intent.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh no, I have no intention of giving you any push back. I will just observe that you find fault where I do not. Neither of us is Catholic I expect, but apparently you find fault in the pope where I do not. Perhaps you seek out fault, I tend to look intent.
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It's possible I misinterpreted something benign as nefarious. It's also possible that I'm a flawed and deeply cynical man.
 
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