Didn't the senate pass something in June that the house wouldn't? Both parties are fucking idiots. I don't get how you always try to blame only one party for the bullshit.
first off brother, these are not "new rules" the drug dealers have been and by law are just as illegal as the welfare queen or the guy that hangs out in front of home depot. The reason that nothing has been passed is that every demand made has not been in line with the will of the people. Regardless of what the liberal agenda will say, no amnesty, no "drivers card". None of that is in the will of the majority even in a liberal wacko state like oregon. This guy makes some tear jerking example sound like it is the average experience, good grief, look around the next time you hit your local grocery store..do you see throngs of perfect three degree students, or forty to fifty year old women pregnant with their seventh child and an oregon trail card? Again I think it is past time to do something, yes. Lets look at a case by case application process and while we do that lets put an end to birthright citizenship.
Talk to Wheels (the S2 member) he works for the welfare department in Oregon. U.S. law strictly prohibits those here illegally from obtaining welfare, food stamps or any other type of public assistance. Listen, I am 100% against illegal immigration. My father came here legally, served in the military and became a citizen. He did it the right way. I'm just seeing both parties pointing fingers and doing nothing. When I worked in finance I had tons of lenders financing illegals for cars and homes. It pisses me off. But to be honest, something has to be done with the illegals we have here now. What Obama is proposing seems reasonable. Not perfect but it's not amnesty and not a path to citizenship. Doing something has to be better than doing nothing.
I think I heard this same mantra with his healthcare bill. And incidently he is using his executive power to force it into law the same way he did his healthcare plan. THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH. Not sure I go along with you sly dog.
its not the same thing but it is mainly because the majority of the country was opposed to it and Obama and Dems were going to hammer it no matter the expense. Even go 'nuclear' which to me is the same thing to get it passed.
If democrats supposedly want it and republicans in the house pass it but the senate won't, you tell me who's to blame.
WTF are you talking about Sly? There are immigration laws on the books now, this year, Last year. The problem is they are not enforced. Your father and my came here under these laws. When Reagan gave millions amnesty, it was After congress passed a law to do allow a one time exception. Obama has no exception legislation. Nothing reasonable about his action. He is simply a rogue. without peer.
We have just witnessed out fucking dumb a democrat leader can be. Here are three things Obama harps on like it is his mantra. 1. Lament high unemployment. 2. Need the raise the minimum wage. 3 Immigration reform Tonight he just confounded the first two by ensuring the entry level labor market is flooded with non harassed immigrants. And he just invited millions more, get here eventually you can stay. Now with so many low end workers, raising the minimum wage is the only way they will ever see a pay raise. The is no competition for the worker now or within sight in the future. How ever, raise the minimum wage may not get it done, more in coming illegals will no doubt undercut the legals. There is no reform just abdication of constitutional responsibility by the chief executive. Nothing was fixed or reformed.
The poor will have less money for benefits as suddenly more people are on the government's dole.* The middle class will have to pay more taxes for these benefits. Their wages will stagnate as more cheap labor enters the mix. Upper middle class will also pay more in taxes.* The wealthy will enjoy cheap labor and yes, will probably gain the most from this.*
If it's true the republicans are working for the top 1% and the wealthy why would the conservatives panties be in a wad (if you will) then? Because the bill wasn't their idea?
It's Congress' prerogative which bills they choose to send to the President, not President Obama's. And it's not the policy, it's the precedent. A President simply gets to ignore a law passed by Congress? M'kay, then. We now live in a dictatorship. Anyone that approves of this action doesn't believe in our Constitution and the separation of powers.
