Does anyone have definitive clarity on when Norm can be traded? I'm seeing Dec 15. But also see this rule about how since we used Bird rights to go above the cap & he got a 120% increase over his previous salary, we have to wait until January 15. https://cbabreakdown.com/trades WAITING PERIODS Any free agent playing on a standard NBA contract (or if they are converted to one) may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or December 15. (For sign-and-trade deals, this rule only applies to any subsequent trade and not the initial sign-and-trade.) If the signing of a new contract with a “Bird” or “Early Bird” free agent causes a team’s team salary to exceed the salary cap and the player’s first-year salary in that new contract is more than 120% above the player’s salary in the prior season, then the player may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or January 15.
if my math is right, and I'm reading the CBA right, Portland was barely under the salary cap (less than a million) when they re-signed Powell. In that case, it would have allowed the Dec 15 option if Olshey would have signed either McLemore or Snell before signing Powell. That way, the Blazers would have already been over the cap, meaning Powell's contract wouldn't have "caused" Portland to go over the cap. it's a fairly minor detail though. One month might make a difference but Jan 15 is closer to the trade deadline when teams start getting motivated to trade besides that, if it's a trade for Simmons I think the Blazers would be much worse off trading Powell + either Nurkic or RoCo for Simmons, than CJ for Simmons. It could be Powell + Nance but I'm thinking Portland would have to add Elleby or Brown to make salaries work. And if Portland is at 14 players, they'd have to sign at least on player prior to the trade, and one shortly after if it's a 3 for 1 trade
This was my reason for confusion. The order which we signed these players might could play a role if i'm reading that clause correctly. There was an insider earlier who predicted a Roco/Powell for Simmons deal was in the works when Powell is eligible to be traded (hence my interest in this). Simmons holding out for a month is somewhat feasible (albeit unreasonable). Holding out for two months is damn near impossible in my mind. I still don't think Neil would trade CJ no matter how much we all wish it. Don't think he has as many qualms about trading Powell/Roco.
1) Dame-CJ-Nance-Simmons-Nurkic or 2) Dame-Powell-RoCo-Simmons-Nurkic or 3) Dame-Powell-RoCo-Nance-Simmons there is no doubt in my mind that 2) and 3) are better than 1). Much better in fact. And both options would be available if it was CJ for Simmons. So, of course Olshey would go for 1) I can't imagine Philly trading Simmons for Powell and RoCo but I suppose they could be desperate by February
I don't even like the Powell/RoCo trade that much. If all it would take is CJ (and even a pick), that makes so much more sense. We keep the ability to put four starting level shooters around Simmons when we want to (Dame, Norm, RoCo, Nance) and become an absolute defensive powerhouse. If you send out RoCo and Powell you lose depth, defense, an extra shooter and have to continue to rely on the Dame/CJ back court to make stops. Fuck Neil's undying devotion to CJ... if it's a real thing and not just a bargaining ploy.
Portland was never under the cap. In the CBA, these provisions are always considered at the 'end of the transaction'. Additionally to truly be under the cap - Portland would have had to waive the MLE (or tax MLE) and all the CAP HOLDS they have. Portland's current cap number is $137M. If we subtract out the $6M for the new contracts (Zeller, Snell, McLemore, Brown) and an additional $1M for the difference in salary between Nance/DJJ -> Portland would have had a best case cap number of $130M after re-signing Powell.... This is WAY over the salary cap of $113M.
I understood it to be that exceptions and cap-holds are not guaranteed and wouldn't be counted in terms of determining if the Powell contract caused the Blazers to go over the cap. Only guaranteed money for that calculation...maybe besides that, if what you say is true, it would imply that Powell's contract did not cause Portland to breach the cap, and that would mean his trade-by date is Dec 15....no?
No. The actual 'breaching' the cap is irrelevant. The team is either above or below the cap when the contract is signed. Portland was/is above it.... Read this: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93 http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101
Forget about Simmons. Instead, focus upon the real problem: Dame + CJ will not net us a championship. Trading CJ + Nurkic (expiring) for KAT - then finding our back-up PG = Championship note: we’ll need to see Little break out
So you want to trade for a CJ type all offense no defense player at center, the post important defensive position, plus lose another starter? KAT teams have never made the playoffs. He's the new DeMarcus Cousins.
