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THE HCP said:
GUN PEOPLE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS MADNESS!!!!!!
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That has nothing to do with people who support gun rights and everything to do with assholes playing politics at the expense of the people they are supposed to be advocating for.
 
THE HCP said:
I never thought I would be able to live while innocent children are massacred, but you learn to adjust.
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You have always lived in that world, unfortunately. Luckily Children are safer in America today than they have been in virtually all of human history virtually anywhere in the world. And as the number of guns in the US has increased, the violence toward kids (and violence in general) decreased for literal decades. So we know that the number of guns doesn't have much of an impact on the safety of children.

We are better off focusing on other solutions. That is pretty clear. Like giving all students access to mental health professionals. All people should have access in general, but getting all kids access would be better than what we have now.
 
The gun nuts have been pushing the More guns will make us safe campaign for most of my lifetime.

Look around..

They got caught up in the marketing campaign to kill fellow Americans for profit. It's always all about the money.

Now they can't admit it was the dumbest possible thing we could've done.

Kids are now going through their second school shooting. I'll say that again...Second school shooting!!

But yes, these kids are safer than ever!

Folks, we have had more mass shootings than days of the year in 2023.

Just stop.
 
rotary111 said:
The gun nuts have been pushing the More guns will make us safe campaign for most of my lifetime.

Look around..

They got caught up in the marketing campaign to kill fellow Americans for profit. It's always all about the money.

Now they can't admit it was the dumbest possible thing we could've done.

Kids are now going through their second school shooting. I'll say that again...Second school shooting!!

But yes, these kids are safer than ever!

Folks, we have had more mass shootings than days of the year in 2023.

Just stop.
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This is an emotional argument. It's understandable, but it's not logical.

As I've shown many times, the US reduced violent crime and murder rates as much as countries who instituted sweeping gun control in the 90s. And even more than some. This, while the US let the assault weapons ban expire and nearly doubled the number of guns.

I'm not saying we should add more guns. I'm simply saying that we should focus on more effective methods of prevention. Like increasing access to education, healthcare, and improving our social safety net and police and judicial systems.

The gun debate just takes away from those because no gun control can have even a fraction of the impact any one of those goals would.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Like saying:
It's okay to push certain people to a murderous state of mind as long as we restrict everyone's rights enough that they are helpless beyond the limits of their own physicality.
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Nope. I get it Phats. Guns are here to stay. Murders are here to stay. People are too afraid and to selfish to do what's right. I get it. Just pointing it all out. Keep the guns. Enjoy the murder.
 
Chris Craig said:
Nope. I get it Phats. Guns are here to stay. Murders are here to stay. People are too afraid and to selfish to do what's right. I get it. Just pointing it all out. Keep the guns. Enjoy the murder.
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Except the guns don't make a significant difference. You're acting like they do, while I've shown repeatedly that gun restrictions don't make much of a difference. Otherwise we'd be seeing lower rates of gun crime here in Oregon and Portland. But we're seeing the opposite.

You're going to have to focus on other things if you actually want to reduce violent crime and murder rates. Including mass murders and mass shootings.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
In shootings?!?

You get rid of guns and you'll maybe have a few bow-and-arrow shootings a year.
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That appears to be the claim.

Now, my question is, where has that ever happened? What place had a problem with frequent shootings that was solved by gun restrictions?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Australia
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This is simply not true though. They have more guns now than they had before the gun restrictions, and they didn't have a gun crime problem before the restrictions. They responded to a single incident. The worst in their history.

Again, the US saw similar reductions in all kinds of violent crime (including gun crime) starting over the same time frame as Australia while the US doubled the number of guns and let the assault weapons ban expire.

Australia still has shootings. At relatively similar rates as they ever did.

It's far more likely the reduced violence in both countries was due to improving Gini coefficients thanks to historically low prices and inflation as their markets were flooded by cheap goods from the collapse of the Soviet Union and ultra cheap labor in China.
 
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