We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

I think that's already a lot for Houston to be sending out. The 4th pick in this draft (most likely Amen Thompson), the 3rd pick from the last draft, and then we get 3 other picks from Boston and Houston. That's a decent haul.

 

Fine, I'll settle for Mobley

 

No; they are saying Dame goes to the Celtics and Brown to the Rockets. This actually makes a lot of sense - and from the Rockets end probably more than them acquiring Dame. It also makes sense if the Rockets can or can't sign Harden - as Brown could have value to them in either scenario.

 

I'd take Brown, but I honestly don't think he'd stay here if Dame was gone. It's not worth the risk with him going into free agency. Rather just get the 4th pick and take Thompson.

 

I think Portland probably makes out too well in this. Likely more fair if Boston gives up one less pick and Houston gives up either one less pick or one less player. Would love if I'm undervaluing the Blazers return but that just seems more fair to all teams. The premise Dame for #4, young player, pick, etc is a decent haul and makes sense for all teams.

I think the Blazers will be holding out to acquire Brown/Bridges at the draft to pair with Dame - so I don't think they pivot to trading Dame so quickly. Then there becomes a big risk Houston either trades the pick to another team or drafts a different player than whom the Blazers would want.

Maybe if the Blazers are high on Scoot, know he will be there at #3, and know they won't have acceptable trade offers for him, and it kind of forces their hand to do a PG trade. But if its Miller at #3 I see the Blazers just running it back before they do this type of trade shipping out Dame at the draft.

 

ok...you're right that we don't agree and I think you're way too dismissive of DDR's talent

by the way, even without that three point shot, DDR is a 6-time all-star including the last 2 seasons; a 3 time all-NBA choice including last season; a 14 time player of the week, and a 3 time player of the month. When was the last time Portland even had a 1 time all-star, besides Dame, that was 6 months removed from his last appearance? Last season DDR averaged 25-5-5. He's not the chopped liver you imply he is

 

Dame also dominates the ball with Ant having a scoring focus when he got the ball. DeRozan didn't have anyone dominate the ball, he was the one doing it in San Antonio. I think if Ant was the clear focal point of an offense his assists would be much higher than CJ/DeRozen - possibly even higher than Dame. I'd expect Ant's turnover would be higher so yeah maybe he doesn't hit your ratios - but his scoring would be higher as well.

 

Agreed - Brown only makes sense with Dame, it would be stupid to add him while trading away Dame. Yes there is a much higher flight risk - but even if he agreed to stay or was on a 5 year contract or something I'd trade him away to a 3rd team. Brown just doesn't align with Sharpe/#3 timeline and there would be no way to contend soon so its a very inefficient use of Browns immediate value.

 

I see where you're coming from, but I think Boston makes out like Bandits. They get Dame for Brown/Gallinari's expiring contract, and a couple shitty picks. That's pretty reasonable.

Houston doesn't have to send out KPJ, but I figured they would probably want to try to match salaries so they can still go after Harden. I guess it's really up to them. The 4th pick, Smith Jr, and another pick is reasonable value for Brown.

 

Yeah, and I don't see a role for KPJ on that team.

Harden
Green
Brown

That's their backcourt and wing.

 

LOL...it just keeps recycling..."CJ will be a prolific PG if he isn't deferring to Dame"...."CJ will average way more assists than Dame"...."CJ will be an All-Star if he has his own team"

just plug Ant into those predictions. After being so damn wrong about CJ you'd think people would be cautious about anointing Ant with lots more talent than he's ever shown...but no, let's go ahead and rinse/repeat the same fantasies

 

To be clear, I used to think that CJ could be an All-Star if he was traded to a team where he was the #1 option. That's not the case with New Orleans. CJ is maybe the 3rd option when everyone is healthy.

 

2023 Center Rankings

Have any of you seen this kid Sharp from W. Kentucky. We need a center in the draft at 23 or second round. Lively probably will not be there at 23. Here is a link to this kid and the old saying you can not teach height

https://nbadraftroom.com/jamarion-sharp/

1. Victor Wembanyama – 7-4 – France
2. Dereck Lively – 7-0 – Duke
3. James Nnaji – 6-10 – Barcelona (Nigeria)
4. Tristan Vukcevic – 6-10 – Serbia
5. Clifford Omoruyi – 6-11 – Rutgers (Nigeria)
6. Zvonimir Ivisic – 7-3 – Croatia
7. Oscar Tshiebwe – 6-9 – Kentucky (Congo)
8. Jamarion Sharp – 7-5 – W. Kentucky
9. Charles Bediako – 6-11 – Alabama (Canada)

 

J SHARPE to J SHARP FOR THE JAM!........

 

sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this:

there are no perfect transitions and projections from team to team; and I'm certainly not saying DDR is on par with Bridges/Brown/Siakam, but when you gauge impact you can, to a degree, use winshares, Last season's marks for winshares (and since it's a cumulative stat I'll include total minutes)

winshares:

Derozan - 8.5 (2682 minutes) ---> .153 winshares/48
Siakam - 7.8 (2652) ---> .141 winshares/48
Bridges - 7.5 (2963) ---> .121 winshares/48
Brown - 5.0 (2405) ---> .100 winshares/48

BPM is a lot more rotation dependent, and a bit more team dependent, like winshares

BPM:

Siakam 3.1
DeRozan 2.0
Bridges 1.7
Brown 1.3

Siakam does get rebounds and assists at a good level, and plays ok defense. He gets a box score bump because of his overall versatility. Bridges is probably not getting enough statistical credit for defense, but he is a poor rebounder and to this point hasn't demonstrated consistent play-making.

I think some are undervaluing DDR's impact. And the more I looks at things, the more I question if Brown is really worth the 3rd pick and a 57M/year contract

 

Meant to say:

SHAE SHARPE to JAY SHARP FOR THE JAM.

Travis better enunciate.

 

ok...but let's be honest...CJ does not have real all-star talent; never had it, never will. If he's the #1 option on a team that team will have trouble winning 30 games because that team will not have any real talent

CJ averaged 21 points this year on 18 shots. To get him up around 30 points/game, where he'd have to be for an all-star berth, he'd have to average 26-27 FGA. Just for reference Doncic led the NBA in FGA at 22/game. And if CJ was actually the 1st option, for the first time in his career he'd be facing the other team's best defender every game. He's not even going to maintain his average to below-average efficiency

now, I am probably a little too down on Ant, but I had to endure 7 years of Olshey apologists and CJ fanboys, so I have a bit of a short fuse when Ant's credited with lots more talent than I've seen....just like CJ was year after year