I didn't highlight them because he plays on a really good defensive team. You put that dude on our team and he's a garbage defender, just like Simons. I also really couldn't care less about rebounding. They're both shooters. That's why teams want them. They shoot the ball. Simons is a better shooter. He can also play the point guard position (not as well as Scoot.) I don't think Herro can do that.
I don't think that follows. Ant has value on the Blazers, and Herro has value on the Blazers. But Ant AND Herro on the team makes one of them less valuable to the Blazers. I'm sure that some team would have given the Blazers SOMETHING for Simons, but since he is presumably valued by the organization their asking price was probably too rich for other teams. Of course, I'm making some leaps in addition to the underlying logic, but I find it hard to believe that neither Ant nor Herro have any value to any teams in the NBA other than the ones they are currently on.
Ant sure hasn't displayed any consistent PG skills in 5 seasons. Herro had a higher assist rate this season, and has a career assist rate advantage over Ant, 18.3% vs 16.1%; higher assists/100-possessions as well. I'd say they are about equal in PG skills, although, IIRC, Herro played some PG at Kentucky and has played some in Miami I think you're way too dismissive of rebounding. Considering Portland's rebounding issues, I'd much rather have a SG with Herro's 9% rebounding rate, than one with Ant's 4.3% rate, which by the way ranked 189th out of 190 at BBREF qualified player ranking. Two more rebounds a game can make a difference and I'm pretty sure that the only reason this 3 way trade has legs is because Brooklyn is interested in Herro. If they were getting Ant and Herro was coming to Portland I think they'd bow out of the deal right away but as I said, I'd much prefer it if Portland had neither player
I’m impressed. After doing a mini dive, I’m coming around on a package from Miami. Not well versed on what picks could top this off but Jovic, Martin, Jaquez and Herro is a very intriguing hall. Jovic and Martin would fit incredibly well with our elite guards and Herro would be a great asset to move for a young athletic 5. Im excited for this rebuild. We can build this right starting from the ground up and we’re already ahead of the game. Scoot and Shay growing together is going to be SPECIAL.
I like Ant's chemistry with this group and have no desire to have the return on Dame be a guy whose value is a 5% rebounding improvement to the guy we already have. I want to keep Ant, see what he brings in a new system, and trade Hero for a player who actually improves the team now. While not popular, if it could bring us Simmons, I do that all day. I believe a new scene on the opposite coast with a bunch of young energetic talent is exactly what he needs. He needs to get back to having fun. I also really want Jovic
I would be interested in comparing those assist numbers to what Simons had in 2021-2022 while Dame was out. He had a 22.2 AST% that season and then it dropped to 18.6 when Dame came back.
Dame did run the offense, but Ant was a secondary 'facilitator'...that's when the offense sputtered a lot by the way Dame averaged 7.3 assists; Hart averaged 3.9 for 51 games. Those two and their 12.2 assists were the primary 'competition' for Ant's playmaking when he generated 4.1 assists but Herro was competing with Butler at 5.2, Lowry at 5.1, Adebayo at 3.2, and Oladipo at 3.5. Herro averaged 4.2, I am not persuaded that Ant was more obstructed by Dame than Herro was by Butler, Lowry, and Adebayo by the way, I just saw you say in another post here that Ant wasn't a PG, he was a lead guard. While I'm a little unclear on what that means, it does seem to mean you agree with me that Ant ain't a PG
I've coveted Jovic since last years draft. I currently am coveting Noah Clowney & Dariq Whitehead. It sure would be awesome get all three and a bunch of picks to boot!
In games where Simons started at point guard and Dame was nowhere to be found, he played much different. I can’t explain it. He was just better.
Exactly, and I believe one that fits him better. This is going to be fun free-wheeling basketball. We shall see.
same thing was said for years about CJ....didn't mean anything. That's why the Pels were trying to jump up and draft a PG
That's odd... I'm not seeing it much elsewhere, but I guess if I looked a little harder I might see it. Mostly what I see on social media or on the boards is that he's ok. I hope the Nets front office thinks he's amazing and will back up the truck for him, so we can get more in return.
I guess I’m starting to come around to Jovic too. I like that he plays without the ball and he can handle and facilitate a little bit. His ft% was sky high, bodes well for his shooting. I’m on board. I get the Wagner vibes from him, only less confidence in his defense being as good. I’d want Clowney as a guy who could maybe become Claxton-like one day. That at least fills out two interesting prospects for the bench. Add in the unprotected 24/28/30 1sts + unprotected 27/29 swaps from Miami, and the best of the 27 1sts from Brooklyn, and that’s a solid haul.
Convenient that you dont highlight any of the more defensive or wholistic stats... Ant is a slightly better shooter. Herro at least attempts to play defense & thus is a better player (as evidenced by the stats you posted of WS/48, BPM, & VORP)
Yeah but we don’t want/need him to be a point guard full time. And I think Scoot can play off the ball better than Dame if they play together.
I’ll say it again. His defensive stats are gonna look better because he was on a really good defensive team. Put him on our dumpster fire defense and his stats would look like trash too.
people might need to slow their role a little bit Think about it...what if Cronin/Schmitz are geniuses at player evaluation. That would mean in 2026, Sharpe, Jovic, and Rupert would all be due for new contracts. And the following summer, Scoot, Murray, Clowney, and Whitehead would all be due for their extensions a team just can't have that many players graduating from rookie scale to 2nd contracts in two years. Now obviously, some will fail. But it's still better to have 2 or 3 in a two year period than 7
No. Someone would need to be flipped. We won’t have enough minutes to develop all those dudes anyway.
