Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Hoopguru

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    I do agree Putin will not negotiate.
     
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    Germany arrests two for alleged military sabotage plot on behalf of Russia

    BERLIN, April 18 (Reuters) - Two German-Russian nationals have been arrested in Germany on suspicion of plotting sabotage attacks, including on U.S. military facilities, in a serious effort to undermine military support for Ukraine, officials said on Thursday.
    Authorities have searched the homes and workplaces of the two suspects who stand accused of working for a foreign secret service. One of them, identified as Dieter S., had since October 2023 discussed possible plots with a person linked to the Russian secret service, prosecutors said.

    Germany has become one of Kyiv's biggest suppliers of military aid since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, and is a major target for Russian spying operations, authorities have said.
    "Our security authorities have prevented possible explosive attacks that were intended to target and undermine our military assistance to Ukraine," Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said.

    "It is a particularly serious case of alleged spy activity for (President Vladimir) Putin's criminal regime."
    Germany summoned the Russian ambassador over the arrests. Earlier, the Kremlin said it had no information about the issue.
    Dieter S. had been prepared to carry out bomb and arson attacks on military facilities, including those operated by U.S. forces, prosecutors said, adding that he took photos and videos of military transport and equipment.

    According to Spiegel magazine, the facilities included the Grafenwoehr army base in the southern state of Bavaria where Ukrainian soldiers receive training to use U.S. Abrams tanks.
    The prosecutors suspect Dieter S., whose last name has not been disclosed due to German privacy laws, was a fighter for Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine from Dec. 2014 to Sept. 2016 in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.

    He is in possession of a firearm, prosecutors said.
    In a separate case, prosecutors last month charged an officer in Germany's military procurement agency with attempting to pass secret information to Russian intelligence.
    News of Thursday's arrests coincided with a surprise trip by German Economy Minister Robert Habeck to Ukraine.
    Germany also issued an urgent appeal this week for countries to help shore up Ukraine's air defences as Russian forces continue to pound Ukrainian cities and infrastructure.

    "We will continue to provide massive support to Ukraine and will not allow ourselves to be intimidated," Faeser said.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...itary-sabotage-plot-behalf-russia-2024-04-18/
     
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    Please share with me how you are going to get rid of Putin and stop the war?

    I dont see how you can without an all out NATO offensive. It doesn't look like Ukraine alone, even with arsenal support, will be able to take him out.
     
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    Getting rid of Putin is not Ukraine's goal. Driving Russia from Ukraine is. Once they achieve that it will weaken Putin's power base. Through back channels, the US will let certain Russian military leaders and Oligarchs know that if they "remove" Putin from power and hold free and fair elections they would have no problem rewarding the person(s) who makes that happen with the property and financial instruments the US and our allies have seized from Putin.
     
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    Thats what I hope happens but realistically I dont see Putin giving up his war to take Ukraine. He's bombing the shit out of residential areas now in Kyiv. When do you think Russia will be driven from Ukraine?
     
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    Russia's Navy is still very dangerous. They still have about 90% of their airforce. However...

    To take and hold land, it takes an army. Russia's army has taken a thrashing in Ukraine.

    In addition to losing about 20,000 personnel, every month, since the start of the war. Est claim Russia has lost about...

    Half of their tanks
    65% of armoured fighting vehicles
    75% of their artillery

    It is common now for recon drones to see Russian troops and supplies delivered to front line positions in un-armoured trucks, scooby doo vans, and China made open atvs.

    If Ukraine can hold out for two more years. I predict a troop of girls scouts with sling shots can drive what remains of the Russian army out of Ukraine.
     
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    Hope you're right but two more years? Can Kyiv hold up for two more years?
     
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    2.2 million soldiers and like 30k-40k have died so far... Yeah, I think they can hold out.
     
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    Mike Johnson’s Shockingly Pro-Ukraine Speech Really Sticks It to MAGA
    The House speaker’s comments wrecked one of the far right’s most ridiculous, reprehensible tropes.

    It was a remarkable moment: After introducing a package of bills that includes military aid to Ukraine, Mike Johnson flatly told reporters on Wednesday that enabling Ukraine to defend itself is in the best interests of America and the world. This surprised a lot of people who had wrongly assumed the House speaker was effectively functioning as a stooge for Vladimir Putin—and Donald Trump—and would thus slow-walk Ukraine aid to death before ever allowing a vote on it.

    Johnson’s new stance has attracted a good deal of positive attention. But I want to highlight an aspect of it that’s been overlooked because it’s an important tell about the true state of MAGA ideology and what it’s demanding of Republicans these days.

    “I really do believe the intel and the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said, in a moment that became a mini-speech. “I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe if he were allowed. I think he might go to the Balkans next. I think he might have a showdown with Poland, or one of our NATO allies.” If so, he added, we might find ourselves sending troops to defend allies from Putin later.


    Did we really hear the speaker say that he believes what our intelligence services have told him about the long-term consequences of cutting off aid to Ukraine?

    This is a direct challenge to the MAGA worldview in multiple ways. Johnson is treating Putin as the aggressor in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and acknowledging his broader imperialist designs, which is heresy to some MAGA Republicans. But he’s also flatly declaring that on these matters, the deep state is very much to be believed.

    A big MAGA conceit is the idea that a nefarious deep-state network of senior federal bureaucrats, nongovernmental experts, and technocratic and managerial elites lurks behind the push to fund Ukraine—and that it’s making up lies about Russia’s war to create a pretext to fulfill a broader set of sinister globalist aims. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene recently tweeted this:

    The Ukraine scam is up.

    If our Republican majority in Congress funds Joe Biden’s war against Russia on behalf of Ukraine (because he’s a puppet on strings) then Republicans are tools of the foreign war loving deep state.

    This is probably MAGA’s most elaborate exercise in up-is-down totalitarian-style propaganda of all: Biden is being manipulated by a deep-state “scam”—i.e., the idea that Ukraine is worth defending—to carry out a war against Russia, which has been magically transformed from aggressor to victim.

    The horrible atrocities against Ukraine the world has witnessed, Putin’s declarations that the sovereign democracy of Ukraine isn’t a real country and shouldn’t exist, the consequent effort to erase it with murderous conquest—all of that disappears in this fog of MAGA propaganda. This sort of thing is why even some senior Republicans suggest that a number of House GOP lawmakers are operating under the influence of Russia.

    Johnson’s affirmation that he believes our intelligence services on these matters is a direct rebuke to those MAGA tendencies.

    The bills that GOP leaders have introduced—which are scheduled for votes on Saturday—are also surprisingly faithful to the intel agencies’ apparent understanding of this geopolitical moment. They include $61 billion in aid to Ukraine, $26 billion for Israel, funding for Taiwan, and humanitarian assistance, including for victims in Gaza, which is essential to winning the support of Democrats who will be needed when right-wing Republicans oppose the package.

    Greene had threatened to hold a motion-to-vacate vote to oust Johnson if he moved forward with Ukraine aid. If so, there are signs that Democrats will vote to save Johnson if Ukraine aid passes. Either way, Johnson appears prepared to brave MAGA’s fury—and the word of U.S intelligence services is a key reason for it.

    To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with healthy skepticism of what our intelligence services are saying. That’s reasonable. After all, they contributed to whipping up the ultimately false assertions about weapons of mass destruction that helped justify the Iraq War.

    But reasoned skepticism is not what MAGA Republicans are offering. Instead, they’re pushing carefully choreographed propaganda that seeks to entirely erase Russian agency from the story of the conflict and to transform Ukraine’s allies into the true warmongers here.

    Greene’s effort at this is obvious. Then you have Donald Trump Jr., who tweeted that the aid bills will “hurt my father’s ability to negotiate an end to the war between Russia and Ukraine” if he’s reelected president, whereas “globalist” Republicans who support the package want indefinite war.

    But that’s absurd. As international relations professor Nicholas Grossman shows, the idea behind rhetoric like this—a ruse that other MAGA Republicans regularly employ—is to recast our choice as one between “peace” (which we’d attain by refraining from aiding Ukraine) and “war” (which we’re facilitating with Ukraine aid). In reality, withholding aid is not antiwar at all; it merely makes Russian conquest more likely to continue and succeed (which is perhaps the whole point of this framing).

    Even supposedly shrewder MAGA Republicans play a version of this sleazy game. Ohio Senator J.D. Vance recently wrote a New York Times op-ed arguing that Ukraine is losing and our aid won’t give it what it needs in equipment (or soldiers) to prevail. Democrats have effectively rebutted those claims. But Vance also slips into his piece the idea that in providing aid, “we”—meaning the United States—would “prolong a long and bloody war,” and suggests the primary obstacle to peace is President Biden’s unwillingness to negotiate toward it.

    But how does Vance himself envision the war ending? Couldn’t it mean Russia gobbles up much or even all of Ukraine? Vance doesn’t say, beyond insisting we should forget about Ukraine regaining all of its stolen territory. Thus he too frames the choice as one between peace (ending aid) and war (continuing it). Presto: Opposing the package suddenly becomes the antiwar position, and being for the package becomes the pro-war one. That’s slippery, dishonest rhetorical trickery that you’d think is below Times standards.

    This is the sort of deceitfulness that Johnson has effectively taken on. By affirming what abandoning Ukraine would really mean, and stressing that the deep state is telling lawmakers the truth about it, Johnson has for the time being taken a stance against one of MAGA’s most cherished—and most toxic—propaganda tropes. No wonder Greene is beside herself with rage.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/180808/mike-johnson-pro-ukraine-speech-maga-deep-state-lie
     
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    It may have stuck it to some of the worst MAGA people but I don't think Johnson does this without Trump's OK. For Trump it is always about being popular and electable and I think polls showing s strong majority of voters want Ukraine aid plus all the input from present and retired military and intelligence plus some outspoken Republicans swayed him. I don't think he is a reliable supporter for Ukraine though.
     
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    Here is the news for today. It's really the same every day. russia strikes civilian targets: Ukraine strikes military targets. (Not sure why this isn't opening up, usually twitter stuff always does but clicking on the link still gets it despite the message
     
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    The guy whose head can now be used as a bowling ball for an octopus.
     
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    I thought the group against bill were trumpets?
    If trump gave a nod fir the bill for votes wouldn’t that piss off the Trumpers?
     
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    Only if the bullets didn't exit. If they did exit the skull, it could be a bowling ball for a thekaexipus.

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    Got a little overzealous in his act of suicide...
     
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