Plausible destinations for our vets?

PER doesn't really credit a player for their defensive impact, which doesn't show up on the box score the same way offense does.

Like OG is considered to be a really good defender, his career per is 13.1. People consider Herb Jones to be one of the best wing defenders in the league. 12.6 career PER.

It's tilted towards players that score a lot. CJ for example, career per 17.5, all he really contributes is scoring. If you were building a team from scratch, what order would you take those 3 in?

 

yeah, I understand that a lot of metrics don't gauge defense well, PER being one of them.

IIRC, Ive only seen Avdja play a 3 or 4 times when the Blazers played his team. I'm skeptical of highlight videos. He played well as I remember. I'm not sure he's a lock-down defender like OG though. Of course, I'm not sure that OG is either

 

So is our opening night roster set or what?

 

Was our opening night roster set this time last year? Nothing happens between Summer League and the end of August but there are usually a handful of trades between the beginning of September and training camp.

 

I'd say yes.

Big fail on Cronin and the Blazers part, should have taken one good pick for Grant.

Could turn into a Timelord 2.0 situation but a 40 million boat anchor contract instead of 10 million.

 

Grant and Simons with young kids and families don't want to be moved days before camp starts. At this point the Blazers are standing pat.

Dame was different as he wanted out and would have been a sideshow with him at media day/camp.

 

Weren't you saying at the start of summer league all these GMs could meet face to face then we'd see a ton of trades?

What we got was crickets.

 

I am indifferent about that. I guess it depends on what you consider a good pick. Is any 1st a "good pick"?
Are we talking about a future Laker pick? If we are going to help the Lakers I prefer we ask for more.

 

Sorry. I don't care much about what Grant and Simons want right now. We need max draft capital (or equivalent young talent) in return for those guys ASAP or we're most likely going to be another treadmill team hoping to get back to the Dame glory days before having to tear it down again.

 

considering what the 2nd apron issue was going to force the Lakers to part with, I don't believe Grant would have helped

Russell+Hachimura combined for 9.2 winshares last season; Grant had 2.7 winshares last year and his average has been 3.4

personally, I question if trade talks ever got serious, especially if Cronin was asking for any unprotected 1st round pick, or more than one. I believe the Lakers would have told Cronin to pound sand because they can do the math too. They'd have been justified in hanging up the phone

 

Assuming that the Lakers (or most GMs) prioritize those particular analytics. I wouldn't.

 

If they're asking us to take back Gabe Vincent, I think we deserve two 1sts. I would throw in Timelord with Grant and take back whatever to get back two 1sts. I don't care much about any of the players coming back unless we can flip Russell for a 1st.

 

I've pointed it out before, but he last time I checked, the Lakers were only about 40K below the 2nd apron....meaning they can't take on more salary than they send out

Russell + Vincent doesn't work
Hachimura + Vincent doesn't work
Russell + Vanderbilt doesn't work

none of those trade ideas work unless the Lakers are adding another salary and a 3 for 1 trade causes issues for both teams

Russell + Hachimura puts the Lakers 6M below the 2nd apron and allows the Lakers room for other moves

but the problem with that is last season Russell + Hachimura combined for 32pts, 7rebs, and 8 asts; and they did so efficiently while shooting 42% on three's. It's very doubtful that Grant's production & impact could match that, and it would also deplete Laker depth. I don't think there's any way the Lakers would send an unprotected 1st in 2029-31 along with those two players. Grant is not worth that. I've been wrong before, maybe it will happen, but I'm skeptical and convinced that a lot of Blazer fans are grossly overrating the value of Blazer players. If the front office shares those opinions, it's unlikely any moves will be made

 

Grant and Timelord for Rui, Vincent, and Vanderbilt works on salary... Throw in the 2 1sts and they got it.

 

Russel is just a filler with an ending contract. The Lakers don't want him and I doubt the Bazer do either. If they could trade him for a 1st they already would have. If it were not for his ending contract I doubt they could trade him.....despite his stats.

Hachimura is decent, but the Lakers clearly want an upgrade. Who is the best player in that trade scenario? Most people think it is Grant. So if they want the better player then they have to throw in the 1st. IMO the issue is they don't want to throw in two.

 

my guess is that it's not just that pelinka won't throw in a first--he won't throw in an unprotected first.

 

Dame was traded last week of September last year

 

This would be unfortunate. We can't afford to make that kind of mistake right now.

 

But that's probably asking the Lakers to get worse while giving us 2 1sts.

I can see them making that argument. Seems like a tough sell to me.