Plausible destinations for our vets?

Hoops Hype has JGrant ranked 13 best of 30 PF's in the league......

 

Huh?

Worse in the long-term? Maybe.

Worse in the short-term? Absolutely not. How does Vincent, Rui, and Vanderbilt > Grant & Timelord?

 

You're right. I read wrong and thought you had Russell in there. I'm all for it.

 

How does winshare work on a team that's tanking?

 

Teams not winning tend not to post high win shares. Seems like a pretty foolish way to compare players, IMO.
Victor Wembanyama had 3.7 win shares last year. Chet Holmgren had 8.9.
Yet Wemby had a higher BPM and VORP. Do we think with them swapped, OKC is worse by 5 games, and S.A. is better by 5?

 

no, it does not

Rui + Vincent + Vanderbilt = 38.7M...Grant + Timelord = 41.2M. Again...the Lakers have to send out more salary than they take back. If they don't, they can't aggregate salaries

besides that, you said Portland taking on Vincent was worth another first. It's probably the case that Timelord has more negative value than Vincent

I don't believe, for a second, the Lakers would send an unprotected 1st. They certainly wouldn't send two unprotected 1st's and that's the only way they could send more than 1

 

it's just one gauge. if you don't like it fine. How about a comparison:



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I think Grant is probably the best player of the three, but he and Russell are really close in value. And there isn't a significant gap between Rui and Grant. I just have a hard time seeing the Lakers trading both for Grant AND adding an unprotected pick

 

Real GM disagrees, but even if you're right, you can easily get around that by throwing in Christian Wood or Jaxon Hayes. Or another small salary player. It doesn't matter much who.

Timelord has more value because if he plays, he's a factor. Vincent is a non-factor in every which way.

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to the L.A. Lakers being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, the L.A. Lakers could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.

Due to Portland being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Portland could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.

This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

* RealGM is wrong. That's not surprising. As far as I can tell they have never updated their machine to account for 2nd apron restrictions

* it doesn't matter whether Timelord or Vincent has more negative value. Including Timelord means the Blazers would get no bump for eating Vincent's contract. They wouldn't get a 1st round pick for that anyway. Not a chance

* adding Hayes wouldn't make for a legal trade. He doesn't have enough of a salary. Adding Wood would work, technically, but the Lakers would only be 400-500K below the 2nd apron and would have just made a 4-for-2 trade when they only have 15 players under contract. They'd have to sign another player to have the minimum roster and that would put them over the 2nd apron

so, to summarize....the Lakers would make arguably at lateral trade, at best. They'd send two unprotected 1st's AND get slammed and locked behind 2nd apron rules...all for Jerami Grant....wow

 

Then in February we'll start hearing how Cronin wants to wait until the summer. Then in the summer we will hear how we want to wait until closer to training camp, then repeat, repeat, repeat.

It becomes super hard to have any excitement at all for this franchise that never committed to winning with Dame, doesn't want to win any time soon, but alternatively doesn't commit all the way to its youth or a full on rebuild. We just continue pushing the can down the road trying to thread the needle as we have ever since the weeks after Olshey got fired. Oh and we waste money on overpaid veteran contracts but then somehow simultaneously find ourselves giving up assets to dump salary.

Next year we'll probably start with winning more games then we should but not enough to make a run at the playin. Then in February we switch to hard tanking while playing g league scrubs and faking injuries. We likely won't be quite bad enough to get the great picks at the top of a very loaded draft, and we won't be good enough to have any fun rooting for meaningful wins. Its what we've done every single year Cronin has been the GM. I don't know why any of us hope for something different.

 

Again, you made it sound like a complete impossibility that the Lakers couldn't send back out more salary. I easily showed you differently.

Even with less than 15 on the roster, making the numbers work is pretty simple with 2nd rounds and such.

To suggest Vincent and Timelord's value is equal or similar, is laughable. We've already heard numerous reports of playoff teams trying to trade for Timelord with minimal assets. Have we heard such thing about Vincent as he languishes at the end of the Lakers bench? lol

 

Heard this one before. PROPOSED this one before.

 

.... Bleacher Report
....... lololol
those writers copy & paste "franchise advice" screenshots from Xbox 2K

 

I know this has been posted but this is the Ant trade to make:


This is the Jerami trade to make (I have the Lakers 2030 pick top 5 protected and it would be top five protected in 2031 and 2032 and would become their 2032 second round pick if not conveyed by then... also I think we might be able to squeeze a 2029 pick swap from them as well). Both Vincent and Redish would be waived and we would not bother stretching Vincent's salary, we'd just take the hit this season and next:

 

This is the Ant trade to make.

Ant, Reath for Carter Jr., Cole Anthony, DEN pick

This is the Ayton trade to make.

Ayton to NO, Ingram to Utah, Collins + filler to PDX, + a pick from Utah (probably protected by Danny)

Then flip Grant to LAL for Vincent, Rui a pick, and filler. Flip Rui to LAC for the corpse of Tucker, Coffee, and some future swap or pick.

cut Tucker and all the filler.

We would absolutely suck, but Scoot would have the opportunity to work with pick n roll and pick n pop threats, the ball would move around more on offense, and we could see what we have in the kids (and pick up some picks). Tell Carter Jr., Anthony, Thybulle, and Collins that if they're good soldiers and their agent finds a team that presents an OK offer we will move them and hope you get something for Carter Jr. at the deadline. The vibes, highlights, and lowlights would be fun.

Henderson / Anthony / Vincent
Sharpe / Coffee / Rupert
Advija / Thybulle / Murray
Collins / Camara / Walker
Carter Jr. / Clingan / Williams

 

I dunno about two Frp for Grant. We are taking their garbage though

 

Cancun?

 

I said maybe we could squeeze a 2029 pick swap but LA gives up a top 5 protected FRP, a second round pick, Rui and gets to offload Vincent and Reddish whose salaries we would just eat.

Then a future second round pick from us, the second round pick from the Lakers and Rui go to the Hawks for our old friend Larry Nance Jr. and the Lakers upcoming FRP in the 2025 draft that Atlanta owns and would be worth a lot less if the Lakers add Jerami, keep DLo's scoring and keep Vando coming off the bench.

 

These are surprisingly common-sensical, except I don't see Orlando giving up Carter Jr and I don't want Collins, who is just dead weight at this point, but has 2 years on his contract.

 

I agree that it's not a given Orlando would give up Carter Jr., but I think it's a relatively fair trade (and they like the other centers on their roster).

Collins' contract matches Ayton in terms of years and is cheaper. He's a flawed player with a relatively good attitude (he didn't like playing with Trae, but that's true for every NBA player), Scoot would get to play with a real pick n roll lob threat, we'd get a few highlights (and plenty of losses). He's an expiring next year that could be moved easily. I'd prefer him to Rui (who supposedly is a challenging locker room guy and has a longer contract) and isn't a great pick n roll threat.