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It appears a large number of people are turning on Elon at the moment, and deservedly so. Seems a lot of his MAGA act was just that. I honestly get that feeling about a lot of these “based” tech people and entrepreneur bro influencers. They just grift as a way to launder their technocratic monopolist bullshit ideas through the right wing for more support, but at the end of the day they are just trying to cut the throats of whoever they can to increase their bottom line. In Elon’s case it’s importing literal indentured servants from abroad and pretending it’s “skilled labor” you can’t find in America. He just doesn’t want to pay or Americans a competitive wage.
 
jonnyboy said:
It appears a large number of people are turning on Elon at the moment, and deservedly so. Seems a lot of his MAGA act was just that. I honestly get that feeling about a lot of these “based” tech people and entrepreneur bro influencers. They just grift as a way to launder their technocratic monopolist bullshit ideas through the right wing for more support, but at the end of the day they are just trying to cut the throats of whoever they can to increase their bottom line. In Elon’s case it’s importing literal indentured servants from abroad and pretending it’s “skilled labor” you can’t find in America. He just doesn’t want to pay or Americans a competitive wage.
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Funny how that works. The State of Texas is falling all over itself to buy land, set up camps and drop whatever they can to facilitate removal of brown people from their state. Yet Texas ranchers, farmers and oil field operators are starting to panic because they see the disappearance of cheap labor. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Reminds me of the GW Bush administration. The (bipartisan) will was there but the reality of it was too much to swallow, so the "problem" got kicked down the line.....the obvious answer is to deport all minorities and force the white remainder to work for slave wages......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Funny how that works. The State of Texas is falling all over itself to buy land, set up camps and drop whatever they can to facilitate removal of brown people from their state. Yet Texas ranchers, farmers and oil field operators are starting to panic because they see the disappearance of cheap labor. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Reminds me of the GW Bush administration. The (bipartisan) will was there but the reality of it was too much to swallow, so the "problem" got kicked down the line.....the obvious answer is to deport all minorities and force the white remainder to work for slave wages......
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I hope you realize I’m criticizing Elon for adopting liberal/globalist policies. This slave labor you clamor about is what your political party of choice creates and defends.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Funny how that works. The State of Texas is falling all over itself to buy land, set up camps and drop whatever they can to facilitate removal of brown people from their state. Yet Texas ranchers, farmers and oil field operators are starting to panic because they see the disappearance of cheap labor. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Reminds me of the GW Bush administration. The (bipartisan) will was there but the reality of it was too much to swallow, so the "problem" got kicked down the line.....the obvious answer is to deport all minorities and force the white remainder to work for slave wages......
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it’s okay they’ll just rent out the prisoners to the farms and oil fields!
 
jonnyboy said:
It appears a large number of people are turning on Elon at the moment, and deservedly so. Seems a lot of his MAGA act was just that. I honestly get that feeling about a lot of these “based” tech people and entrepreneur bro influencers. They just grift as a way to launder their technocratic monopolist bullshit ideas through the right wing for more support, but at the end of the day they are just trying to cut the throats of whoever they can to increase their bottom line. In Elon’s case it’s importing literal indentured servants from abroad and pretending it’s “skilled labor” you can’t find in America. He just doesn’t want to pay or Americans a competitive wage.
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He's right about this. You definitely cannot find enough skilled labor in the USA in tech jobs.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Nor with the current....and future......state of the American education system. We dumb down our citizens and then cry bitter tears when we have to import educated brains......
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Um, pardon? Visit India sometime dude, it’s not a place run by the worlds most “educated brains”. If it were, then why do they want to leave it for this place? There is a massive logical fallacy here. They aren’t only importing the most elite engineers either, they are importing people to fill every facet top to bottom. It’s greed.
 
tlongII said:
I've worked in this field for the past 30 years. It is not bullshit.
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Start making companies pay foreigners with visas the same wages as Americans then. You’ll see the “Superhuman Indian Brain” theory dry up pretty fucking fast and American engineers begin to materialize. It’s called incentive. Americans have less because they’re being replaced by cheap labor.
 
Boogeyman China is always the scapegoat for gutting the American worker too. We have to “compete” or else the draconian communist country that produces zero innovation will “get us”. We’ve been told this for forty years now. They still produce nothing but widgets.
 
jonnyboy said:
Start making companies pay foreigners with visas the same wages as Americans then. You’ll see the “Superhuman Indian Brain” theory dry up pretty fucking fast and American engineers begin to materialize. It’s called incentive. Americans have less because they’re being replaced by cheap labor.
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False.
 
LOL. I don't have to present an argument. I know.
 
Yes, the United States is facing a tech talent shortage:
  • Supply and demand
    The demand for qualified tech workers is higher than the supply. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) projects that the shortage of tech workers in the U.S. will grow to 1.2 million by 2026.
  • Hiring challenges
    78% of employers in the information technology industry face hiring challenges. 66% to 90% of U.S. employers struggle to find the skills they need.
  • Retaining talent
    Only 29% of IT workers are very likely to stay with their current employer.
  • Cost
    The shortage of tech talent can lead to longer hiring times and higher hiring costs.
Some factors contributing to the tech talent shortage include:
  • Cost of education
    The high cost of a university degree can make it difficult for students to pursue a tech career.
  • Lack of diversity
    The tech industry lacks diversity because students who can't afford a tech degree don't go to school.
  • Lack of STEM interest
    There's a need to boost student interest in STEM opportunities at the K–12 level.

To address the tech talent shortage, some recommend:
  • Reassessing the skills of current employees
  • Identifying soft skills like problem-solving, relationship-building, empathy, and creativity
  • Strengthening soft skills through training and mentoring programs
  • Retaining more foreign graduates from U.S. institutions
 
But keep blaming it on Corporate Greed which is your "go to".
 
tlongII said:
Yes, the United States is facing a tech talent shortage:
  • Supply and demand
    The demand for qualified tech workers is higher than the supply. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) projects that the shortage of tech workers in the U.S. will grow to 1.2 million by 2026.
  • Hiring challenges
    78% of employers in the information technology industry face hiring challenges. 66% to 90% of U.S. employers struggle to find the skills they need.
  • Retaining talent
    Only 29% of IT workers are very likely to stay with their current employer.
  • Cost
    The shortage of tech talent can lead to longer hiring times and higher hiring costs.
Some factors contributing to the tech talent shortage include:
  • Cost of education
    The high cost of a university degree can make it difficult for students to pursue a tech career.
  • Lack of diversity
    The tech industry lacks diversity because students who can't afford a tech degree don't go to school.
  • Lack of STEM interest
    There's a need to boost student interest in STEM opportunities at the K–12 level.

To address the tech talent shortage, some recommend:
  • Reassessing the skills of current employees
  • Identifying soft skills like problem-solving, relationship-building, empathy, and creativity
  • Strengthening soft skills through training and mentoring programs
  • Retaining more foreign graduates from U.S. institutions
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Dude, this looks like a half-assed high school presentation. It literally addresses nothing I said about wages or incentives. It was probably written by a lobbyist and published by the “Department of blah blah blah”. It’s really devoid of any actual content. Just a bunch of dumb bullet points with no backing
 
jonnyboy said:
Um, pardon? Visit India sometime dude, it’s not a place run by the worlds most “educated brains”. If it were, then why do they want to leave it for this place? There is a massive logical fallacy here. They aren’t only importing the most elite engineers either, they are importing people to fill every facet top to bottom. It’s greed.
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I gather you've been to India then? And they are leaving because, for all their education they are even more poorly compensated in their home country. They may make what you call "slave wages" here, but it's significantly more than they would be making if they had stayed in India. And c'mon man, you know as well as I do that today's American student is more poorly educated than at any other time in at least the past 100 years. Jeezus, it's mind boggling how poorly so many of them read, write and spell. I'm NOT supporting bringing immigrants in to fill American jobs....unless there aren't enough qualified Americans. But if we're being honest, it boils down to both greed AND lack of qualified American applicants. If they brought in qualified European applicants, the tech companies would pay them a living wage.....hence, you don't see a horde of European applicants. You see Asians willing to work for less. There is two sides to the issue, no ifs, ands or buts about it.
 
jonnyboy said:
Dude, this looks like a half-assed high school presentation. It literally addresses nothing I said about wages or incentives. It was probably written by a lobbyist and published by the “Department of blah blah blah”. It’s really devoid of any actual content. Just a bunch of dumb bullet points with no backing
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Whoa.....you just got your ass handed to you and this is your best response??? The actual facts of the matter aren't enough for you?? You just want to throw turds on the wall, call it art and admire them as they ooze toward the floor.
 
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