Here was my ballot, OF THE FIRST HALF this is first halfs all-stars IMO QBs AFC Brady Brees Manning NFC Cullpepper McNabb Favre RBs AFC Holmes Brown Martin NFC Barber Green Westbrook WRs AFC Andre Johnson Jimmy SMith Mason WArd NFC Walker TO Horn Bruce FBs AFC-Richardson NFC-Finn(i always go by whoevver blocks for leading rusher) TEs AFC McMichael GOnzo NFC Eric Johnson Jason Witten K Akers-NFC Venateri-AFC the 2 best P Johnson Hanson CBS NFC Lito Sheppard Trufant Winfield AFC McCalister Champ Woodson SS AFC-Rodney Harrison NFC-Michael Lewis FS AFC-Buchanon NFC-DAWKINS DE AFC Abraham Schobel SMith NFC Kearse Kerney Grant ILB AFC RAy Lewis Azch Thomas NFC Urlacher Morgan OLB AFC Bulluck DJ williams NFC Brooks Diggs thoughts?
McNabb TO AKers Kearse Dawkins and Lewis all deserve it i dono y i said westbrook, and johnson is the only good punter i know in the NFC. SORRY, and lito is having a great year also
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giantsfan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>were are the balotts</div> Only in Philly. Evidently you get three choices -- one is an Eagles player. You have to select three out of the three. If you have trouble filling one out, they will supply you with one already filled in.
I don't see a problem with any of his picks from the Eagles, they're all great players. I wouldn't have voted for Westbrook though, his stats aren't good enough McNabb- NFL's September Offensive Player of the Month, 4th highest Passing Yards in NFC, 2nd in NFC TD Passes, 2nd in NFC Passer Rating Sheppard - NFL's October Defensive Player of the month, tied for 2nd with most INTs TO - 3rd in Recieving Yards, 2nd in Total TD's in NFC, 1st in TD Recept. in NFC Dawkins - 3 time pro bowler, averages 90 tackles per year, first player to record an INT, a TD, a FR, and a sack in the same game, and is there any other safety that puts fear into Quarterbacks like he does? Akers - Leading the NFL with 18 FG's, he was also leading the NFL in points by a single player until Priest Holmes got those 4 TDs in one day Kearse - Tied for 3rd in sacks in the NFC, which is a crapload for a DE playing the joker position
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see a problem with any of his picks from the Eagles</div> Really, as an eagles fan you dont see a problem? There is a HUGE surprise
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see a problem with any of his picks from the Eagles, they're all great players. I wouldn't have voted for Westbrook though, his stats aren't good enough McNabb- NFL's September Offensive Player of the Month, 4th highest Passing Yards in NFC, 2nd in NFC TD Passes, 2nd in NFC Passer Rating Sheppard - NFL's October Defensive Player of the month, tied for 2nd with most INTs TO - 3rd in Recieving Yards, 2nd in Total TD's in NFC, 1st in TD Recept. in NFC Dawkins - 3 time pro bowler, averages 90 tackles per year, first player to record an INT, a TD, a FR, and a sack in the same game, and is there any other safety that puts fear into Quarterbacks like he does? Akers - Leading the NFL with 18 FG's, he was also leading the NFL in points by a single player until Priest Holmes got those 4 TDs in one day Kearse - Tied for 3rd in sacks in the NFC, which is a crapload for a DE playing the joker position</div> Stats aren't everything, but they are something. I'm not sure you could argue too much with McNabb, Owens, and Akers. The rest are having good years too, but I don't know that they are more Probowl worthy than others. I didn't check the stats of everyone, but I could probably think of someone else just as deserving that probably has the same stats: Shepard ---> Shawn Springs Kearse ----> Greg Ellis or the guy from Seattle that I can't remember right now Lewis and Dawkins -----> Darren Sharper, Roy Williams Westbrook --->Shaun Alexander
Stats should account for 90% of the qualifying for the probowl. winning % of team 5% and percieved impact 5%. To have eagles decide it would be 75% playing for eagles 20% percieved impact by eagles fans and 5% stats(stats are subject to eagles fans perception of the stats)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Stats should account for 90% of the qualifying for the probowl. winning % of team 5% and percieved impact 5%. To have eagles decide it would be 75% playing for eagles 20% percieved impact by eagles fans and 5% stats(stats are subject to eagles fans perception of the stats)</div> So your telling me that those stats I posted weren't Probowl worthy and I only put them because I'm an Eagles fan? You call the Eagle's fans idiots, but that's just plain retarded. I said Westbrook wasn't a good pick, because the stats just don't show it. Yes, those other players are good ones 71, but that doesn't mean the Eagles players aren't. I mean they are the only undefeated team in the NFL right now, so those players must be contributing.
McNabb- NFL's September Offensive Player of the Month, 4th highest Passing Yards in NFC, 2nd in NFC TD Passes, 2nd in NFC Passer Rating (these arent stats, they are rankings) Sheppard - NFL's October Defensive Player of the month, tied for 2nd with most INTs (once again rankings) FYI - if a DB is getting a lot of INTS it is cuz he blows a lot of coverages so teams are testing him. He is making some plays but is blowing some too. TO - 3rd in Recieving Yards, 2nd in Total TD's in NFC, 1st in TD Recept. in NFC(once again rankings) Dawkins - 3 time pro bowler(what does this have to do with this pro bowl?), averages 90 tackles per year(stat but not accurate), first player to record an INT, a TD, a FR, and a sack in the same game(did he do that this year?), and is there any other safety that puts fear into Quarterbacks like he does(definately not a stat, and yes several who put greater in his division there are hands down 2 better FS) Akers - Leading the NFL with 18 FG's(rare stat), he was also leading the NFL in points by a single player until Priest Holmes got those 4 TDs in one day Kearse - Tied for 3rd in sacks in the NFC(ranking), which is a crapload for a DE playing the joker position(subjectice) FYI - dawkins has hit 90 tackles once in his career according to CBS sportsline.com averaging about 65-70 a year.
TO - has earned a probowl berth. - as a starter Mcnabb - has earned a probowl berth - not as a starter Akers has but who cares he is a kicker. Kearse has not. Dawkins definately has not. Sheppard doesnt deserve to watch pro bowl
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Stats should account for 90% of the qualifying for the probowl. winning % of team 5% and percieved impact 5%. To have eagles decide it would be 75% playing for eagles 20% percieved impact by eagles fans and 5% stats(stats are subject to eagles fans perception of the stats)</div> So your telling me that those stats I posted weren't Probowl worthy and I only put them because I'm an Eagles fan? You call the Eagle's fans idiots, but that's just plain retarded. I said Westbrook wasn't a good pick, because the stats just don't show it. Yes, those other players are good ones 71, but that doesn't mean the Eagles players aren't. I mean they are the only undefeated team in the NFL right now, so those players must be contributing.</div> With the exception of Westbrook, I think all should be at least be in Probowl consideration. My point was only to show that there are other non-Eagles with the same stats that are no less worthy. Yes, the Eagles are 7-0 and have many players playing very well this year. However, I am less impressed with the team record as a reflection of individual Probowl performance. I am sure there are a couple deserving players on teams with poor records too. That's all. By the way, I would retract my support of Akers, at least for now. I didn't realize he had missed three times already this season. I don't know how long they were, but to some degree you have to look at FG percentage. Playing for a good offensive team should not automatically become a ticket to the Probowl for a kicker. There are others that appear more deserving so far...not that Akers isn't one of the best talents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>sweet, lets get the "Dawkins aint that good" thing going again, I like arguing that one....</div> The closest thing Beef has to a Dawk/PhillyFreak voodoo doll. LOL.
-DAwkins is top 3rd in Tackles and second in PD and first in sacks for FS i think he goes because he does more than stats but i wouldnt be sad if either Sharpr or Williams went over him -Michael Lewis def. deserves to go -Westbrook-i just said him to stir up -AKers-Hells yea McNabb-Yea -TO-def. starter -Kearse-YEs -Sheppard-Yes 3 INTs shut down moss and has alot of tackles fod a CB...why not springs is overrated anyway -Kearse has single handedly made one of last years worse pass rushing teams into this years best, he causes havoc even when he doesnt get to the QB. HELL YEA i really think my picks were fine, except for Bwest and the punters i think i made them pretty accurate
Sorry, i am going to have to deny you on lito sheppard, not that good. Gets beat to much and moss had 90 yards and a td that game he was not shut down. Kearse didnt do anything single handedly as much as eagles blitz to give him one on one he should probably be more productive. Dawk is not a pro bowler. No way no how not even close a man living off his rep. Michael Lewis has played well and is best guy on that D, but not a pro bowler too many good safeties in NFC
I agree with you 71, there are alot of players that deserve to go to the pro bowl, I just think people discount the Eagles player when an Eagles fan puts them down for it. They deserve it just as well. Bears, although they are just stats and rankings, they are what most people look at. The fact is that when your debating between 2 players to vote for, your gonna go look at the stats and decide. I posted the rankings because that's how he ranks in the NFC, proving they are the top players in the NFC. I don't understand why those aren't acceptable. As for Dawkins, I read that in his bio but I must have misread something. He did only have 91 tackles in 2002, but the point I'm trying to make is he IS a pro bowl player, and is capable of that. All I'm trying to do is prove that these players are good players, and are pro bowl material. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be in it, but they definetly are a consideration. BTW, Randy had 90 yards and a TD, but when doesn't he? He's an amazing WR, and Lito is only in his 3rd year. He's doing a damn good job filling in for Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, two greats at the CB position.
