<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Just off-topic...but did you know that about three years ago, Phil Jackson was hitting hook shots from the free throw and three-point line during Laker practices? I was watching it in a clip...and it was crazy. Phil would destroy John Salley lol.</div> Ouch lol, poor John Salley <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, that WAS MIKE's TEAM of course he's gona score, of course he's gonna get the awards. IT WASN't KOBE's team....IT WAS SHAQS...IF THE OFFENSE WENT THROUGH KOBE, HE WOULD PUT UP SIMILAR NUMBERS. Look at his highlights when he was 25....They were dope...but the defense playing him was sorry...Tall skinny, lanky white/black guys were gettin' dunked on...He came before his time... Today, it is a lot harder to drive in and such...The players are more athletic, and physically bigger..more muscle...and it's hard, especially with the zone. During that time he was like T-mac, or AI....ESPN, newspapers, etc. all saying that he can score but can't win the ring.... HE was compared to Clyde Drexler...(Clyde, The dream would beat the bulls...even the 99-00 Laker team would beat the bulls). He was a perfect Salesman for the NBA...and that's what they did...Cheap calls, and lettin' things go for the man...for the $$$$$ BLing bling... I'll bet you that if MJ came out as a rookie today...he would just be like everyone else...Kobe, Pierce, LBJ, T-mac, AI, Vince Carter, etc. He was just way to athletic, his style was ahead of the time. This argument is stupid, because it wasn't even Kobe's team...but in the 02-03 year he scored like 30 pts per game with him not being the primary player...That's dope. We will see Kobe's jordanesque abilities next year. PEACE</div> What I said before: Also didn't 39 and 40 year old Jordan after taking a long break off basketball and not being nearly as athletic average 20 PPG against these more physically strong and athletic guys, so how much more would he do at 25, he won't be worse. It's like saying Karl Malone wouldn't be effective in this time, if Karl was still 25 he'd be avraging his 30 PPG. To add: Also wasn't 40 year old Malone averaging 20.7 - 7.8 - 4.7 I don't get how people see these guys at such an old age put up great performances and somehow expect a younger version who is more athletic, quicker, everything to be worse because they'rei n a new time, doesn't eve make sense. Stockton was killing at an old age too, I guess if he was born now he'd be no more than Kirk Hinrich. What about Payton? Also it isn't about the shots even, Kobe isn't even shooting as high a percentage, if Kobe was shooting 52%, and averaged 28-6-6, and was stopping people defensively, all game, not for 5 minutes a game, then I'd definately with no doubt agree with you that it's only because of Shaq. One thing that people can't ignore is that its not an impossiblity that Kobe can be better , it's able to happen, wheter the chance is large or small, its able, whether it does or not, we'll see. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll bet you that if MJ came out as a rookie today...he would just be like everyone else...Kobe, Pierce, LBJ, T-mac, AI, Vince Carter, etc.</div> yet 40 year old Jordan was just as good, and somehow rookie Jordan is not going to do better?
MJ>Kobe Off the court, MJ had no scandal. Kobe? we all know. On the court, Kobe gets his ass kicked BAD every time he fights. I don't remember MJ even starting a fight. MJ had scottie. In NBA bloopers clip, Kobe appears about 2-3 times getting ass kicked while no scene of MJ. In NBA's greatest clips, MJ's play takes most part. Winning championship? Yeah Kobe has more rings at 25 but does the number of rings decide whether the player is good or not? Does that make Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing or even Kevin Garnett bad players? I wonder if Kobe would have won 3 rings by now if he didn't have Shaq. And I'm sure if Shaq has teamed up with T-Mac or AI, they would have won a ring too. Realize peeps, my avatar owns yours and MJ owns Kobe. Period
^ Your using offcourt s**t and fights? MJ got fights with refs man...whining all the time...Kobe right now is more mature than MJ at 25...when was the last time Kobe got ejected? AHAHA...Michael Jordan was the perfect sales pitch...and it worked...All u guys are blind...stuck in the past...are afraid to realize...you gotta be logical man. I was once like you too...Kobe is so similar...talks like him, plays like him and everything. How many times do I have to say this: We HAVEN'T SEEN "KOBE" WE SAW "KOBE WITH SHAQ" So who knows? Maybe he will be better in the future... for now the comparisons are done because his game has an uncanny similarity to MJ. PLUS: MICHAEL's EGO WOULDN't ALLOW HIM TO PLAY WITH SHAQ HE SOCKED STEVE KERR IN PRACTICE, PROBABLY DID MORE CRAP TOO HE CAN't SWIM HE AIN'T GOOD AT GOLF HE SUCKED IN BASEBALL (HOW THE HELL IS HE THE BEST "ATHLETE" OF ALL TIME THEN) See I have to stoop down to your level to say stupid off the court activities. About the adultery thing...ALL THE NBA is like that...Kobe was just unfortunate and got caught...why don't you dog on Magic then...that's what I thought...and Mike did get in an affair. I ain't dissing MJ, he's awesome, but Kobe is the next big thing, but Mike's legacy won't die, his Love will stay because: HE WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME THE CORPORATE SCHEME The comparisons are done because of their individual talent KOBE is more versatile one on one: He has the bank shot, left hand, pumpfake, and incredible footwork, mixed with a barage of crossovers...and has a great turn around jumper. KOBE is MJ reincarnated. Forget the rings, statistics, awards, etc. Bottomline, talent wise they so similar. Wade DYNASTY gotta open his mind, and realise "LIFE GOES ON" And for that punk who said MJ was level with today's players at 40...umm how come he didn't make the playoffs then...Any proffesional basketball player can hit 20 pts per game...especially when the Refs give him extra privileges...he wasn't even all that impressive...especially that missed dunk in ASG...If he was a rookie he would be scoring and scoring..nothing more. What if MJ was on the west! U gotta admit that the EAST WAS FREAKIN SORRY CLYDE AND THE DREAM WOULD CREAM THEM HECK, EVEN THE 99-00 LAKER TEAM WOULD STAND A CHANCE AGAINST THEM WHO WAS GONNA STOP THE DREAM AND SHAQ
i said to wait for the article for those of you who can't read (eh hem...ace2k2) so yah...just wait for the damn article like i said...and i suggest before this debate starts, you learn how to read cuz you're gonna have a hard time arguing against what i write if you are not capable of reading and understanding 'i will write the article and we can start the debate there'
I AGREE WITH whatever SCBRIAN and realdealbneal say...they say the right stuff.. It's funny how these guys are so blind-faithed, and are so ignorant. They start bashing on Salley. Tell me did you guys play with Mike and Kobe? did you go to the practices? Do you personally know him? Who cares if he can't dunk, he's old, he didn't do jack on the teams...Who cares! We don't know...we just watch the games and watch ESPN.. Since he knows and seen them (in games and practices)..maybe he knows best. Don't deny the fact that Kobe is a better 3 pt. shooter (buzzer beaters from behind the arc, 12 three pointers, countless 4th quarter threes). WAIT TILL KOBE's career is over....the "WHOLE KOBE" will be witnessed this year..JUST WATCH AND LEARN
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">MJ>Kobe Off the court, MJ had no scandal. Kobe? we all know. On the court, Kobe gets his ass kicked BAD every time he fights. I don't remember MJ even starting a fight. MJ had scottie. In NBA bloopers clip, Kobe appears about 2-3 times getting ass kicked while no scene of MJ. In NBA's greatest clips, MJ's play takes most part. Winning championship? Yeah Kobe has more rings at 25 but does the number of rings decide whether the player is good or not? Does that make Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing or even Kevin Garnett bad players? I wonder if Kobe would have won 3 rings by now if he didn't have Shaq. And I'm sure if Shaq has teamed up with T-Mac or AI, they would have won a ring too. Realize peeps, my avatar owns yours and MJ owns Kobe. Period</div> No the number of rings does not make you good or not. Otherwise Horry would be the ultimate basketball star. 5 rings already. 2 with Houston, 3 with the Lakers, and probrably another is he plays for the SPURS again....haha But some people use MJ's 6 titles as a reason to why he is the best ever. :thumbsdow I think MJ idolizers are also afraid that Kobe may take over the "BEST EVER" spot. Its already being argued. That Best ever spot was never threatened until the arrival of Kobe Bryant. Some said Carter would be the next Jordan. :thumbsdow Others said Lebron. Well he is still young but is just huge compared to Jordan or Kobe in regards to he sheer size........Best ever? There is no damn best ever in basketball. There's only the opinions of others and their bias towards their favorite players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SCBrian:</div><div class="quote_post">i said to wait for the article for those of you who can't read (eh hem...ace2k2) so yah...just wait for the damn article like i said...and i suggest before this debate starts, you learn how to read cuz you're gonna have a hard time arguing against what i write if you are not capable of reading and understanding 'i will write the article and we can start the debate there'</div> So ur writing an essay on why Kobes better? Jeez man I dont have time to write an essay. Just write what you know or find in like 10 minutes or so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">I AGREE WITH whatever SCBRIAN and realdealbneal say...they say the right stuff..</div> It figures you agree withThe Laker fans becuase they also think Kobes better and hes the best. I respect realdealbneals post even though I usually dont agree with him. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post"> WAIT TILL KOBE's career is over....the "WHOLE KOBE" will be witnessed this year..JUST WATCH AND LEARN</div> THis thread is about Kobe and MJ at 25 not their careers
realbneal and prodigy, i understand u guys r Kobe fans but u guys do defend him to the UPMOST DEGREE of defending lol and that is the reason why all ur posts get bashed and microscoped becuz u always have one or 2 sentences that can stir up a huge debate since the posts are so blantantly biased.. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And for that punk who said MJ was level with today's players at 40...umm how come he didn't make the playoffs then...Any proffesional basketball player can hit 20 pts per game...especially when the Refs give him extra privileges...he wasn't even all that impressive...especially that missed dunk in ASG...If he was a rookie he would be scoring and scoring..nothing more. </div> he didnt make it due to injuries and lack of a bench....i think it was the first year after the come back where there was a stretch where he led the wizards to like 8 str8 victories or somethign.....that is admireable, that is what sets him apart.....a 40 year old jordan with virtually no supporting cast (Stackhouse didnt come until the 2nd season and also was injured often) still lead the Wizard to the 9th spot...... Put kobe on the Wiz, i think he woulda led em to the 7 or 8th spot, tops... At 25: Rings wise, kobe is better stats wise mj is better i think chungster already stated this kinda thing before... Kobe is not on MJ's level yet, but he is the damn closest....give him time to fully be a lethal and deadly force give him time to lead a team by himself then start comparing the 2
I'm not saying Kobe is not good. He's amazing to watch. I just think MJ is better. I'm not a MJ fan. I'm more of Reggie's fan in MJ's time. So I'm neutral and all I got to compare them is stats(forget the rings) and to me MJ's look much better. Isn't higher the better? That's what I thought.
OK guys, ask urself- would rather have Kobe at 25, or MJ at 25 playing with Shaq. There is an obvious choice
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That Best ever spot was never threatened until the arrival of Kobe Bryant</div> I thought Grant Hill was getting some press when he came in. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I AGREE WITH whatever SCBRIAN and realdealbneal say...they say the right stuff..</div> ...but they haven't said much in the thread, and I never saw realdealbneal agreeing with you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">KOBE is more versatile one on one: He has the bank shot, left hand, pumpfake, and incredible footwork, mixed with a barage of crossovers...and has a great turn around jumper.</div> Jordan's footwork was pretty good, and he hd an unstopable turnaround jumper/fadeaway. The difference between how good players are is who knows how to utilize the glass better on a jumper? It doesn't matter if you do 3 crossovers to beat me or one quick step, as long as you beat me, doing the crossovers just takes more energy off you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And for that punk who said MJ was level with today's players at 40...umm how come he didn't make the playoffs then...Any proffesional basketball player can hit 20 pts per game...especially when the Refs give him extra privileges...he wasn't even all that impressive...especially that missed dunk in ASG...If he was a rookie he would be scoring and scoring..nothing more. What if MJ was on the west! U gotta admit that the EAST WAS FREAKIN SORRY</div> This kat is calling me a punk because I'm saying Jordan did pretty good at 40 against these players Also the East has better guards, and 2 years ago the game was bigger because Tmac was also still here, so it's not like he was playing against lesser players. Also why didn't he win? Maybe because his team sucked, and he only played 60 games in the season due to injury, wow Also every player can score 20, yet Jordan averaged 23-6-5 in 35 minutes a game, yea all he was doing was scoring, nothing else. What if he was out West? Didn't he play the best of the West in the Finals? Also back in the day, the West wasn't always the better conference, the NBA hasn't stayed stagnant in terms of the power shift from the conferences. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">HE SOCKED STEVE KERR IN PRACTICE, PROBABLY DID MORE CRAP TOO HE CAN't SWIM HE AIN'T GOOD AT GOLF HE SUCKED IN BASEBALL (HOW THE HELL IS HE THE BEST "ATHLETE" OF ALL TIME THEN)</div> I don't know what his swimming skills have to do with anything, and I don't know who said he's the best athlete ever even though it doesn't matter since we're talking about basketball. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They start bashing on Salley. Tell me did you guys play with Mike and Kobe? did you go to the practices? Do you personally know him? Who cares if he can't dunk, he's old, he didn't do jack on the teams...Who cares! We don't know...we just watch the games and watch ESPN.. Since he knows and seen them (in games and practices)..maybe he knows best.</div> Let's see, John Salley says this, but all the other people who were involved with both of them don't, but John Salley must be the only one telling the truth right. Then even looking as Salley's flawed arguments like MJ was able to do more defensively, yet doesn't than mean defenders were able to do more to him too, so he was able to shoot 50+% and score 30+ PPG with people being more agressive and physical on defense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and i suggest before this debate starts, you learn how to read cuz you're gonna have a hard time arguing against what i write if you are not capable of reading and understanding </div> This needs to be directed to your firm supporter Prodigy. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is not on MJ's level yet, but he is the damn closest....give him time to fully be a lethal and deadly force give him time to lead a team by himself then start comparing the 2</div> I think I said this too, and a lot of people also did....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Your using offcourt s**t and fights? MJ got fights with refs man...whining all the time...Kobe right now is more mature than MJ at 25...when was the last time Kobe got ejected? AHAHA...Michael Jordan was the perfect sales pitch...and it worked...All u guys are blind...stuck in the past...are afraid to realize...you gotta be logical man. I was once like you too...Kobe is so similar...talks like him, plays like him and everything. How many times do I have to say this: We HAVEN'T SEEN "KOBE" WE SAW "KOBE WITH SHAQ" So who knows? Maybe he will be better in the future... for now the comparisons are done because his game has an uncanny similarity to MJ. PLUS: MICHAEL's EGO WOULDN't ALLOW HIM TO PLAY WITH SHAQ HE SOCKED STEVE KERR IN PRACTICE, PROBABLY DID MORE CRAP TOO HE CAN't SWIM HE AIN'T GOOD AT GOLF HE SUCKED IN BASEBALL (HOW THE HELL IS HE THE BEST "ATHLETE" OF ALL TIME THEN) See I have to stoop down to your level to say stupid off the court activities. About the adultery thing...ALL THE NBA is like that...Kobe was just unfortunate and got caught...why don't you dog on Magic then...that's what I thought...and Mike did get in an affair. I ain't dissing MJ, he's awesome, but Kobe is the next big thing, but Mike's legacy won't die, his Love will stay because: HE WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME THE CORPORATE SCHEME The comparisons are done because of their individual talent KOBE is more versatile one on one: He has the bank shot, left hand, pumpfake, and incredible footwork, mixed with a barage of crossovers...and has a great turn around jumper. KOBE is MJ reincarnated. Forget the rings, statistics, awards, etc. Bottomline, talent wise they so similar. Wade DYNASTY gotta open his mind, and realise "LIFE GOES ON" And for that punk who said MJ was level with today's players at 40...umm how come he didn't make the playoffs then...Any proffesional basketball player can hit 20 pts per game...especially when the Refs give him extra privileges...he wasn't even all that impressive...especially that missed dunk in ASG...If he was a rookie he would be scoring and scoring..nothing more. What if MJ was on the west! U gotta admit that the EAST WAS FREAKIN SORRY CLYDE AND THE DREAM WOULD CREAM THEM HECK, EVEN THE 99-00 LAKER TEAM WOULD STAND A CHANCE AGAINST THEM WHO WAS GONNA STOP THE DREAM AND SHAQ</div> MJ did not whine as much as kobe... if kobe misses a contested shot, he expects a foul. Kobe socked samaki walker on the bus Kobe sucks at rapping Kobe's pumpfake is just a bail out cuz he's not good enough to just score regularly on a fadeaway like MJ was... granted it is a smart move, MJ would rather hit the jumper than get 2 freebies at the line I aint using these to bash kobe, i understand that people make mistakes, but if you gonna resort to pointing out MJ's flaws, i'll point out kobe's. And the era that MJ played in had some of the greatest players ever... Stockton and Malone, Payton in his prime, Drexler, Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing, Reggie in his prime, Bird, Magic, Chuck, Shaq and Penny, and the list goes on. And the east was the stronger conference back in, the west was the conference that sucked back then. Indy, NY, and Chicago were always top 5 teams in the league. The year utah had the best record in the league, Chicago beat them in the finals. And out of the 8 players i listed above, 6 of them were beaten while they were in the west playing MJ in the finals.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jiggax23:</div><div class="quote_post">MJ did not whine as much as kobe... if kobe misses a contested shot, he expects a foul. Kobe socked samaki walker on the bus Kobe sucks at rapping Kobe's pumpfake is just a bail out cuz he's not good enough to just score regularly on a fadeaway like MJ was... granted it is a smart move, MJ would rather hit the jumper than get 2 freebies at the line I aint using these to bash kobe, i understand that people make mistakes, but if you gonna resort to pointing out MJ's flaws, i'll point out kobe's. And the era that MJ played in had some of the greatest players ever... Stockton and Malone, Payton in his prime, Drexler, Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing, Reggie in his prime, Bird, Magic, Chuck, Shaq and Penny, and the list goes on. And the east was the stronger conference back in, the west was the conference that sucked back then. Indy, NY, and Chicago were always top 5 teams in the league. The year utah had the best record in the league, Chicago beat them in the finals. And out of the 8 players i listed above, 6 of them were beaten while they were in the west playing MJ in the finals.</div> Couldn't have said it better. Thank you
There are a few reasons y this comparsion cant be made first of all kobe plays in a time where there is a zone deffense and less one on one also teams average less pts. then they did in jordans era. Also Jordan didnt play with a shaq like player. Ppl to honestly compare jordan to kobe u have to go deeper then just the numbers u have to look at the way they play both players play very much alike both are super competive i personally believe that kobe will be on jordans level EVENTUALLY but not now. I really hate when these clo se minded ppl say no one can be on jordans level but lets be serious open ur mind kobe is goin to be on that level.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">I AGREE WITH whatever SCBRIAN and realdealbneal say...they say the right stuff.. </div> What a suprise! I may not agree with realdealbneal, but I will give him this: he can put aside his bias for more than a few seconds and give an unbias opinion...which is more than I can say for others. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It's funny how these guys are so blind-faithed, and are so ignorant. </div> The irony here is killing me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> They start bashing on Salley. </div> Because one person says something doesn't make it true. Its not a diverse sample. If you were to ask a few players who had played for both, chosen randomly, you can get a better idea. But because one person said it doesn't make it necessarily true(although it could be). For instance, if you polled 5 players who had close contact(either playing with, or coaching, for instance Harper, Salley, Jackson, and Rodman) and used their opinions collectively, you could better guage the question as to who is better. Also, you don't know for sure is Salley is bias. Perhaps MJ did something that rubbed Salley the wrong way? Or perhaps Salley and Kobe are just closer friends. Again, neither is wrong, but it does affect the outcome of the intended research(being the question). That being said, if Salley said Kobe was better, and the next day Harper said Jordan was better, I'd still disregard both. If anything, Id be more inclined to listen to what Phil Jackson said, as he was the coach of both, and both had great success under him as a coach. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Don't deny the fact that Kobe is a better 3 pt. shooter (buzzer beaters from behind the arc, 12 three pointers, countless 4th quarter threes). </div> Yes, I have already stated that. But Michael was the better defender and scorer. Shooting range is just one aspect of the game. There are other aspects of the game. I will grant you, Kobe has the better range. But what about rebounding? Passing? Defense? Pure scoring? Leadership? Willing teams to victory? Ability to dominate? I am not sure Kobe is better than MJ in all/if any those categories. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> WAIT TILL KOBE's career is over....the "WHOLE KOBE" will be witnessed this year..JUST WATCH AND LEARN</div> Hmmm...wait until Kobe's career is over.....where have I read that before in this thread?
i dont think kobe is in the right position to be compared to MJ str8 up right now, they are in 2 different positions (not on the court, i mean situation wise) at 25, MJ was the focal point of the defense, the main player on his team at 25, Kobe was always second fiddle to shaq....he had his moments but shaq was the head honcho of that team they are in completely different situations so its hard to compare em....cuz kobes average would be up more if shaq wasnt there but i doubt he woulda gotten the rings i think a more appropriate player to compare to Jordan at 25 would be tmac becuz they have been in similar situations where they both had to lead a team with a weak supporting cast to the playoffs etc etc howver, i do not believe Tmac is even on Kobe's level (stats wise, mentality wise) so i still consider Kobe the 2nd heir to jordan but comparing em is very hard as of now....in the future this will be somethin (considering Kobe continues to do well)
Didnt MJ score 50 points in his last season when he was in his forties once, isnt that a record for oldest to do so? If Jordan came into the league today he would still be better than Kobe. Look at all the advancements in health treatment, training, travelling, arenas............... Jordan would be even more of an enigma. Shouldn't Kobe shoot a higher percentage if he is the second option? And once again id love to bring up the quote on page 1. (A Kobe supporter just lost it for Kobe by saying this.) "If Kobe didnt have Shaq on his team hed score 45 ppg." Yet the defences nowadays are supposedly better. Zones are supposedly harder to score on. People supposedly defend the right AND left side drives now. Saying that things changed dramatically like that is crazy, it was the 80's and 90's. Shaq was around in the 90's. Jordan spanned from the 80's to the 2000's. They had all these years to figure out how to stop him yet he averaged over 20ppg in his 40's. People remember the quote, I wanna see 45ppg a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ADubb20:</div><div class="quote_post"> People remember the quote, I wanna see 45ppg a game.</div> me too HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH If you believe this idiot John Salley who said Kobe would score 45 PPG wit out Shaq is a total retard. So Prodigy I want to see Kobe score 45 PPG or ur officially a Kobe nut sucker
How can you compare em...when they are in 2 different situations/environment? I'm just saying that Kobe plays like Mike, and can one day surpass him! I know for a fact that without Pippen, robotic shooters, refs whistle, etc. that he wouldn't have 6 rings today. And without Shaq, Kobe probably wouldn't have 3 rings right now. Individually, Kobe and MJ have many talents. I just hate it when they say "Oh MJ is the greatest ever. Nobody will be greater than he. He did so much" He's not a god. Treat him like a person. He did have faults. He was sugarcoated. When you hear a song that is alright, and you find out it's Tupac, it becomes great. Your eating something great and it's delecious, and your mom says its Cow shit, your gonna spit it out... It's just like that, kinda. The media blew him out of proportion. He said it himself "People think I can do things in which I am not even capable of doing" Stats don't prove everything. Kobe can compete with Jordan, and can one day will surpass him this year we will see. These Jordan lovers don't except change, it's time to move on, LIFE GOES on. Don't be mad, when Kobe gets another ring without Shaq. The ones who don't have back-up to prove that Jordan is better than Kobe (25+) are brainwashed by the Jordan rules. Your mothas' and jordan both got sumthin' in common: They both got their legs wide open with their toungues out with balls in their hands. PEACE
