Kobe fans blow Kobe way outa proportion, prime examples in this thread. Hmm.... i guess common sense is now brainwashing. Quote - "If Kobe wasnt on Shaqs team hed be scoring 45 ppg." Im lovin it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post"> I know for a fact that without Pippen, robotic shooters, refs whistle, etc. that he wouldn't have 6 rings today. And without Shaq, Kobe <font color="DarkRed">definitly</font> wouldn't have 3 rings right</div> Lets see here, Jordan had a shitty team you and some other people said, and thats why he had to score so much and do it all. Yet without his shitty team he wouldn't have 6 rings today. It all really makes sense to me. Quote - "If Kobe want on Shaqs team hed score 45ppg."
im not saying no one will ever surpass jordan, im just saying kobe aint the one to do it because he hasnt shown he can do it... like i said before, if i had to pick 1 player today, it'd be lebron, but even then, that doesnt mean he will do it
Well, It's been 2 days and we have 6 pages of wasted time. Why do people care so much about this? Here's what I think about this. Michael Jordan: the best of HIS time. The man who revolutionized the sport of basketball. But he is forty now, and you can't see him dunk on TV anymore unless it's ESPN classic, and nobody can watch old games all the time. He cannot entertain ME anymore. Sprots is about Entertainment, and forty year old playing golf DOES NOT entertain me, people. Jordan's time is gone. All we can do is remember how good he was. But starting to think of him as more than just a man and trying to convince others...sounds like a cult to me. I am a big fan of MJ too, but I can't say that he is the greatest ever. People are born. New stars emerge. One day MJ will only be remembered as a distant legend, with a new kid on the block taking over. You see, we like Jordan so much because he was around when we were around. We can relate to him. My kids wouldn't care about a guy who played basketball 30 years back. What I am trying to say is that a perception of a person by others changes drastically. And Kobe is only 25 as is TMAc, and LB is only like 19. Those guys have alot of talent and don't write them off just like that. They CAN become like Mike. That just depends on luck and hard work. I am not saying they will, but they have a CHANCE. One day, maybe, people will go visit Lebron's statue in Cleveland and tell everybody how much he is better than some young star in the league. Bottom Line: MJ is just a man, a great man, but just a MAN. Kobe: I don't have much to say about him. He is 25. He is a young superstar with loads of potential. He is arguably the best in the league. But he didn't assert himself yet. Playing alongside Shaq, and winning, will probably get him into HoF, but to become like Mike, he has to take the game to the next level, like Mike did. He has a potential to do so, but he didn't do it yet. So till he does it, he is not like Mike. Bottom Line: you can't compare the growing man with THE MAN.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jiggax23:</div><div class="quote_post">im not saying no one will ever surpass jordan, im just saying kobe aint the one to do it because he hasnt shown he can do it... like i said before, if i had to pick 1 player today, it'd be lebron, but even then, that doesnt mean he will do it</div> The guy is just 25 and your already sayin he wont surpass Jordan. He has barely peaked, and now has the opportunity to show the world what KOBE is really made of. Make that comment in another 3-4 years. You cant make it now.... Thats naive.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">The guy is just 25 and your already sayin he wont surpass Jordan. He has barely peaked, and now has the opportunity to show the world what KOBE is really made of. Make that comment in another 3-4 years. You cant make it now.... Thats naive.</div> i've said it before, i'll say it again, kobe aint gonna be the one to surpass jordan... he was handed the torch years ago, has had many opportunities to do it, and has not lived up to it... he's played 8 years in the league, so he had more time to adapt/adjust to the game and refine his play than mike did at age 25, yet he still has not hit that level, or come close to it. you can compare them at age 25 and mike still was better, or you can compare them 8 years in to the league, where no one here will even argue that kobe has done better, or you can try to meet somewhere in between, where mike still has accomplished/achieved more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ADubb20:</div><div class="quote_post">Lets see here, Jordan had a shitty team you and some other people said, and thats why he had to score so much and do it all. Yet without his shitty team he wouldn't have 6 rings today. It all really makes sense to me. Quote - "If Kobe want on Shaqs team hed score 45ppg."</div> Hey Adubb like my sig? lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was sugarcoated. When you hear a song that is alright, and you find out it's Tupac, it becomes great. Your eating something great and it's delecious, and your mom says its Cow shit, your gonna spit it out... It's just like that, kinda.</div> That really isn't the same thing at all, very different actually, but it's funny in a sense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was sugarcoated. When you hear a song that is alright, and you find out it's Tupac, it becomes great. Your eating something great and it's delecious, and your mom says its Cow shit, your gonna spit it out... It's just like that, kinda. </div> Maybe in reverse for basketball and MJ. If you hear someone scored 50 points and then you hear it's Kurt Rambis, you freak out. If you hear it's Michael Jordan, you say, "He did it again. No surprise."
^^ Yea that's what I was trying to figure out, but that really doesn't really relate, its like if you hear Q-Rich scores 40 you say, impressive, but if you hear Iverson, Kobe, Pierce, Tmac, Carter etc scored 40 you don't jump out of your seat.
thats cute...31 votes in your favor before i've even posted...still writing the article...but deal is off...people on here are morons...cant even read instructions on voting...how can you vote when both sides havent been heard?
if you can make good arguments against me...i'll recognize it myself and still follow through with teh deal though...so that much isnt off...it just wont be voted on by the moronic jbb population
Maybe Kobe will not have a better "career" than Mike. But his "game" will be on level or maybe even better than Mike's (he will be unstoppable). I don't think no one else will have a better career than MJ for a long time, but doesn't mean that he's better, because they are in different environments/situations. Mj was at the right place at the right time People can be better than him, but not get the love and respect like MJ still has to this day. Kobe Bryant still says he's learning, every year he has something new, like improvments in the 3pt, left hand, and the bank shot. Kobe in his early days (showboat) used to cross and then dunk/crazy layup Now Kobe is tacticle and descisive when he's pursuing the basket. I admit, Kobe sometimes does make it harder for himself offensively, but he can drive and score at will whenever he wants to/allowed, usually does in the 4th, when he gets fouled and hits a steak of shots down the stretch. Maybe we will see more of him since the Triangle, and Shaq are out of the play. So for that klown who said he does the pumpfake because he can't do nothing is wrong, first of all he's trying to get a foul, and it simple/doesn't require that much energy. Kobe can drive or beat the man off the dribble everytime if he wanted to, but he wanted to cover all aspects of the game, because he is a student of the game, and wants to excel. Kobe can dunk on clowns any time, but he said he's saving his legs so he can accomplish his goals, and do all that fun stuff when he's late in his 20s into the 30s. He doesn't want to make the same mistake Vince made. Kobe can do a lot of things, we just haven't seen all of them yet, let's just hope this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mj was at the right place at the right time </div> How so? He was playing in 80s when NBA had the greatest players. MJ played CBarkley, PEwing, GPayton and other great players who should have won a ring and won it himself. To me right place sounds more like getting drafted by a team that had a player like above. Right time? I dont know. I thought 80-90 were the best.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SCBrian:</div><div class="quote_post">thats cute...31 votes in your favor before i've even posted...still writing the article...but deal is off...people on here are morons...cant even read instructions on voting...how can you vote when both sides havent been heard?</div> If people on here are morons why did you even join?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe Kobe will not have a better "career" than Mike. But his "game" will be on level or maybe even better than Mike's (he will be unstoppable). I don't think no one else will have a better career than MJ for a long time, but doesn't mean that he's better, because they are in different environments/situations. Mj was at the right place at the right time People can be better than him, but not get the love and respect like MJ still has to this day. Kobe Bryant still says he's learning, every year he has something new, like improvments in the 3pt, left hand, and the bank shot. Kobe in his early days (showboat) used to cross and then dunk/crazy layup Now Kobe is tacticle and descisive when he's pursuing the basket. I admit, Kobe sometimes does make it harder for himself offensively, but he can drive and score at will whenever he wants to/allowed, usually does in the 4th, when he gets fouled and hits a steak of shots down the stretch. Maybe we will see more of him since the Triangle, and Shaq are out of the play. So for that klown who said he does the pumpfake because he can't do nothing is wrong, first of all he's trying to get a foul, and it simple/doesn't require that much energy. Kobe can drive or beat the man off the dribble everytime if he wanted to, but he wanted to cover all aspects of the game, because he is a student of the game, and wants to excel. Kobe can dunk on clowns any time, but he said he's saving his legs so he can accomplish his goals, and do all that fun stuff when he's late in his 20s into the 30s. He doesn't want to make the same mistake Vince made. Kobe can do a lot of things, we just haven't seen all of them yet, let's just hope this year.</div> :thumbsup: i agree.......except for the "right place at the right time" part because that is not true.... the 80's were also packed with stars and it took jordan till the 90's to get a ring....and by that time he had his game "mixed and mastered", he had all aspects covered.....he had tasted failure and he had tasted some sucess, he was determined to win and the reason MJ got so popular was because the league had never seen anythjing like him before same reason why LBJ is so popular is because the league has never seen something like him before, a 6'8, 19 year old beast, the leader of his team at 19 and avging 21 5 and 5... as of now, i still believe Kobe will surpass Jordan someday but you should not use his "shaq years" to count it against MJ for he hasnt had a chance to lead a team yet it starts this year....2004/2005
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but you should not use his "shaq years" to count it against MJ for he hasnt had a chance to lead a team yet it starts this year....2004/2005</div> You should also not use the fact that Kobe won 3 rings <u>with </u> Shaq to say he's better than Jordan, I don't understand some of these guys, they use Kobe being with Shaq as a bad thing because he wasn't free, yet they'll say he won three rings at the age of 25, when Shaq was a big part of that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if you can make good arguments against me...i'll recognize it myself and still follow through with teh deal though...so that much isnt off...it just wont be voted on by the moronic jbb population</div> Yes, insulting everyone is the way to go I don't know if he was at the right place at the right time, the 80's and 90's was filled with talent, and many of the defensive stopping players from the early 90's were still the one's doing the stopping in the late 90's, so that argument is just weak. Another thing is that people are always talking about zone defense as if every single team plays the zone 48 minutes a game, Dallas the team that utilizes the zone the most sucks on defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe Kobe will not have a better "career" than Mike. But his "game" will be on level or maybe even better than Mike's (he will be unstoppable). I don't think no one else will have a better career than MJ for a long time, but doesn't mean that he's better, because they are in different environments/situations. Mj was at the right place at the right time People can be better than him, but not get the love and respect like MJ still has to this day. Kobe Bryant still says he's learning, every year he has something new, like improvments in the 3pt, left hand, and the bank shot. Kobe in his early days (showboat) used to cross and then dunk/crazy layup Now Kobe is tacticle and descisive when he's pursuing the basket. I admit, Kobe sometimes does make it harder for himself offensively, but he can drive and score at will whenever he wants to/allowed, usually does in the 4th, when he gets fouled and hits a steak of shots down the stretch. Maybe we will see more of him since the Triangle, and Shaq are out of the play. So for that klown who said he does the pumpfake because he can't do nothing is wrong, first of all he's trying to get a foul, and it simple/doesn't require that much energy. Kobe can drive or beat the man off the dribble everytime if he wanted to, but he wanted to cover all aspects of the game, because he is a student of the game, and wants to excel. Kobe can dunk on clowns any time, but he said he's saving his legs so he can accomplish his goals, and do all that fun stuff when he's late in his 20s into the 30s. He doesn't want to make the same mistake Vince made. Kobe can do a lot of things, we just haven't seen all of them yet, let's just hope this year.</div> Regardless of what era you play in, when you can dominate your opposition by being more gifted than them, and do it by winning as much as MJ did, you are in the mode of greatness... Wilt was able to dominate his opponents physically, and couldnt win... Kobe is able to dominate during stretches, but he is not so far above the competition that you can say he is greatest... MJ was that much above his competition... And for that stupid pump fake, that is nothing more than a bail out, and i stick by my word... i aint saying that he does it cuz he cant score any other way, im saying he does it cuz he gets himself in so much trouble, that he has to FORCE himself to score someway, and he does that by doing the pumpfake because he cant do it any other way once his defender has stopped him. And SCBrian, post your dissertation, i wanna see what nonsense you have in store now
