This is about as close as two players can be. I just keep in mind with all of this that Garnett has been surrounded by garbage players for the majority of his career and is just now getting the success he deserves due to finally having a team around him. As for Duncan, I think that a lot of his success comes from being drafted onto a team that wasn't that horrible in the first place (remember that Robinson was out for most of the year that they won the lottery and they even threw games purposely to get the #1 pick) and had a head start from the beginning. They're both phenomenal players, with their own qualities that make them special, but if I were given an option between the two, I would take Garnett simply because he seems like a slightly better, slightly more competitive leader that does a little bit of everything every night.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">My people! This is no tie! Success? I think out of all of these, the only one that's a tie is the success. Duncan is a 2-time MVP, Garnett is a 1-time. Duncan has 2 rings, but they aren't his rings. He was surrounded by talented players, and they were leading the team, not Duncan. While Garnett has no rings, he has brought a weak team out of a hole, and made franchise history by progressing past the 1st and 2nd round. Well,what about Cassel and Sprewell? Yes, but Garnett is very obviously the leader of the team, and was the man who really made it happen. Leadership? Garnett wins that by 100% percent. Garnett is a very emotional and verbal leader. He's friends with every player on that roster, and makes sure everyone else is, giving the team a high level of chemsitry that shoes when they play. Garnett is the better leader because he is <u>always</u> capable of taking the whole team up on his back and carrying the team in whatever way needed. Duncan is a capable leader no doubt, but he is not in the calibur of KG. Skills/Overall Game: Well, Garnett came straight out of Highschool, a mark of skill in its own. But lets compare their skills in a breakdown. Jumper: No doubt they both have a good jumper but KG's is better, no contest. Take a look at some of the shots that KG takes. He may be tripple-teamed and facing the opposite way to the basket, and throw it up while getting mobbed. And make it. Duncan also has his own array of amazing shots as well, but Garnett is extraordinary. A Power-Forward that can make clutch 3's like Reggie Miller? You don't get that often, well KG is the only one... Lets not forget that KG also specializes is his completely unstopable turnaround bank shot. That kills any and everyone. Not to mention he can back up whoever it is as much as he wants untill he's comfortable with the shot. Post: Give me a break guys, Duncan a better inside prescence than Garnett? That's ignorance right there. If I had to say Duncan had a best spot, it would be at mid-range or just outside the paint. Only one person can dominate the paint better than KG, and that's Shaq. KG will back anyone up. KG will dunk on anyone. Garnett also comes in as a rebounding machine. No one rebounds like him, Duncan has similiar numbers, but the energy and desire Garnett puts into very single rebound is unmatched.In addition, Garnett is a dynamicshot blocker. He makes some of the most unbelievable blocks, and it's not often that a player can bring fans to their feet with a blocked-shot. A contest between the 2 in athleticism is a joke. Garnett is hand-down the most athletic player in the league. Garnett is quicker, and probably stronger than Duncan. There's not much to be said, Garnett is capable of taking all possible shots, and is capable of creating all possible shots. Obviously, the both of the are too big to play in the style of say, Allen Iverson, but Garnett's quickness makes him close. He is more versatile and can play in any way or form. If you had to pick one to build a team around, you would be insane not to choose Garnett. Duncan has not had nearly as much success in terms and leadership. In fact Duncan has not often showed a lot of leadership to a high goal. He may be a leader in games, but he is probably yet to be an accomplished team leader. While on the other hand, Garnett is veteran team leader and is very skilled at it. Garnett is definetely a better choice to be the base of a team. From the skills, to the success, to the level of excitement the player brings to the court, Garnett takes the gold. Whether by a small or large margin Garnett is the better in these categories. Garnett is 100% the better player, but Duncan has only one thing that Garnett doesn't, 2 little peices of jewelry.</div> YIKES!!! I am a HUGE garnett fan, and no doubt believe that he is the best player in the league and constantly argue he is better than duncan... but lets be real here. Duncan was the main piece of that team, and he deserves all the credit for bringing that franchise 2 rings... he is the sole reason why they got those rings... put in the next best PF in there (elton brand, jermaine oneal, or whoever else), and they don't win a ring. Duncan is a true leader, just like KG. He just does it in a different way. Leadership, i would say they are both the same, if you must give an edge to someone, then i'd give it to garnett, just cuz i know he stays close to his teammates off the court, but if duncan does that as well (which i have not heard of), then again, they are equal... but duncan does have true leadership. look at how he helped tony parker develop. they are either equal, or kg has a slight edge, or one might argue vice versa, but they are for sure both great leaders and on the same level. Garnetts post game is not nearly as good as duncans. Duncan has that turn around mini-hook that is only matched by shaq. Even Jermaine Oneal has a stronger post game than KG... But KG compromises that by utilizing his turnaround that is impossible to block when his opponent is stronger than him and prevents him from getting to the rim. And lets not put KG on reggie miller 3 point clutchness, thats kind of absurd... Even though he has hit HUGE threes before, they aint reggie miller threes. Duncans mid-range game is on par w/ KGs, and may be a bit better, but garnett has better range than duncan. And KG probably isn't quite the shot blocker duncan is. He may have more amazing blocks, but in terms of better shot blocker, duncan wins that for sure... dont forget, this guy holds the record for most blocks in a finals series. Duncan is just an amazing player, as is KG... but lets give credit where credit is due here
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Post: Give me a break guys, Duncan a better inside prescence than Garnett? That's ignorance right there.</div> How is that ignorance? Garnett is smaller and isn't as strong as Duncan. KG has some pretty sweet post moves, but most of the time he gets pushed out of the paint so he has to settle for a midrange turnaround. Duncan does it all effortlessly. He'll bank it, shoot a hook, and I've seen him throw down some really nasty dunks. Tim gets almost all of his points from back-to-the-hoop plays and inside shots. A lot of Garnett's points come from further out. Until he can do as much in the paint as Duncan can offensively, he'll never be as good a post player. Defensively Garnett can't compare to Duncan in the paint. He's a better help defender because he's fast and can get those crazy blocks, but that doesn't make him a better defender, especially when we're talking about inside presence. I've seen MJ and Kobe make some sweet blocks. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A contest between the 2 in athleticism is a joke. Garnett is hand-down the most athletic player in the league. Garnett is quicker, and probably stronger than Duncan.</div> Garnett may be quicker, but he ISN'T stronger than Duncan. Where did you get that idea? Tim's got about 20 pounds and an inch or so on KG. If Duncan were more emotional and if he looked a bit scarier, he'd be a beast. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Take a look at some of the shots that KG takes. He may be tripple-teamed and facing the opposite way to the basket, and throw it up while getting mobbed. And make it. Duncan also has his own array of amazing shots as well, but Garnett is extraordinary. A Power-Forward that can make clutch 3's like Reggie Miller?</div> That's very true, but he's not really a power forward. He's a small forward that has power forward qualities. If his post game was as good as Tim's, which you think it is, then of course he'd be better. But right now, Tim Duncan is the better power forward. It's not like Duncan doesn't get mobbed. Garnett is on the floor with guys like Cassell and Spreewell, people who can spread the floor and make things easier for KG. Tim's playing on the San Antonio Duncans, where he's the main focus of everything including the other team's defense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Leadership? Garnett wins that by 100% percent. Garnett is a very emotional and verbal leader. He's friends with every player on that roster, and makes sure everyone else is, giving the team a high level of chemsitry that shoes when they play. Garnett is the better leader because he is always capable of taking the whole team up on his back and carrying the team in whatever way needed. Duncan is a capable leader no doubt, but he is not in the calibur of KG.</div> This is an example of people not giving Duncan the credit he deserves because of his personality. Just because he doesn't show much emotion, doesn't mean he's not playing his heart out. Just because Spock showed no emotion doesn't mean that he had no emotion (no matter how much he denied it, he was a very emotional chap in my mind). Duncan can, and has always carried his team. Take away Duncan, what do you have left in San Antonio? There's nothing wrong with a quiet leader. He speaks up when he has to, and most importantly, his consistent and top notch play are an inspiration to his teammates. Is there anyone more mentally tough than TD? He just keeps going, and that inspires people in a way that yelling and waving your arms can never do. KG may be the big man of the future, but TD's game transcends time. Put him in any league with any type of makeup of players and he'll still excel. KG may be more dynamic and maybe even more talented, but his success is mostly because of his all round play compared to this league's big men. Given the right defender he can be stopped. TD is successful is because he's just amazing at Basketball, the Game. You can't beat that. [EDIT] And Reggie Miller 3 point clutchness? I'm sorry but I pity the fool who thinks ANYONE can match Reggie Miller in that category . Saying Garnett can match it is a bit of a stretch [/EDIT]
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">My people! This is no tie! Success? I think out of all of these, the only one that's a tie is the success. Duncan is a 2-time MVP, Garnett is a 1-time. Duncan has 2 rings, but they aren't his rings. He was surrounded by talented players, and they were leading the team, not Duncan. While Garnett has no rings, he has brought a weak team out of a hole, and made franchise history by progressing past the 1st and 2nd round. Well,what about Cassel and Sprewell? Yes, but Garnett is very obviously the leader of the team, and was the man who really made it happen. </div> Wrong. Completely wrong. It was Duncans team. It always was. Robinson deferred to him in their first championship. By the second one, it was clear that it was Duncan's team. Not Parker's. Not Robinson's. Not Ginobili. Duncan's. And if you couldn't tell that, then I question if you even watched that series. At all. Your post is nothing more than blatant homerism. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Leadership? Garnett wins that by 100% percent. Garnett is a very emotional and verbal leader. He's friends with every player on that roster, and makes sure everyone else is, giving the team a high level of chemsitry that shoes when they play. Garnett is the better leader because he is <u>always</u> capable of taking the whole team up on his back and carrying the team in whatever way needed. Duncan is a capable leader no doubt, but he is not in the calibur of KG. </div> Garnett is the better leader because he carries the team? Where? To 8 first round playoff series losses? Or was it 7? I can't remember. But if thats what a leader is all about...hey, more power to you. And don't give me that crap about lack of help. He had Terrell Brandon, an All Star at that point in his career, Wally(and up and coming player). He also had Marbury who wanted out of Minnesota because of Garnett. And Gugliotta, who at the time, who, with Garnett, formed one of the best F tandems. I am not knocking Garnett in any way. I am merely pointing out that Garnett isn't God. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> But lets compare their skills in a breakdown. Jumper: No doubt they both have a good jumper but KG's is better, no contest. Take a look at some of the shots that KG takes. He may be tripple-teamed and facing the opposite way to the basket, and throw it up while getting mobbed. And make it. Duncan also has his own array of amazing shots as well, but Garnett is extraordinary. </div> 2 points is two points. I don't care if Garnett hoists up a prayer thru all 5 defenders. Its still worth the same amount as a Tim Duncan bank shot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> A Power-Forward that can make clutch 3's like Reggie Miller? </div> One clutch three doesn't make you as clutch as Reggie Miller. Try again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> KG will dunk on anyone. </div> So could Harold Minor. Or JR Rider. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Garnett also comes in as a rebounding machine. No one rebounds like him, Duncan has similiar numbers, but the energy and desire Garnett puts into very single rebound is unmatched.In addition, Garnett is a dynamicshot blocker. He makes some of the most unbelievable blocks, and it's not often that a player can bring fans to their feet with a blocked-shot. </div> No one can rebound like him, but Duncan has similar numbers? Hmmm... Who cares if Garnett puts more energy into a rebound. In fact, I am not sure thats a good thing. Id rather have my player make a simple rebound and exert his energy elsewhere......but thats just me. Dynamic shotblocker? For his career, Garnett averages 1.78 bpg. Duncan averages 2.53 bpg. Id rather have my player make a simple block shot, keeping the ball in play, knocking it to a teammate(much like Bill Russell did) than send a ball into the 5th row. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Duncan has not had nearly as much success in terms and leadership. In fact Duncan has not often showed a lot of leadership to a high goal. </div> Perhaps Garnett could show Duncan how to lead a team to a mass collection of first round exits.....? --------------- Now for the rest of the posters on this board, in no way, shape, or form am I stating or believing that Duncan is superior to Garnett. For the record, I believe both players to be very similar in talent and production. The whole point of my post was to rebute all of KG-MVP's homeristic points. That being said, I am not a KG hater. In fact, I enjoy watching KG play and wish him success.
Id take Duncan , hes a proven winner with much less talent then u guys think. 1999 Starting Lineup:Avery Johnson , Mario Elie , Sean Elliott , Tim Duncan , David Robinson Bench Notables:Antonio Daniels , Jaren Jackson , Jerome Kersey , Malik Rose , Samaki Walker 2003 Starting Lineup:Tony Parker , Stephen Jackson , Bruce Bowen , Tim Duncan , David Robinson Bench Notables:Speedy Claxton , Ginobili , Ferry , Rose , Kerr Ive always felt people exxagerate when comparing KG's supporting cast to TD's , people talk about Duncan having more...just look at the lineups TD won a ring with , are those really that great? For that fool who thinks hes not a great leader and that he wasnt the reason behind the two rings , what happened in 2000 when he was injured?A loss to the Jason Kiddless (he was injured as well) Suns in the first round...just goes to show u how important he is. Tim Duncan isnt as athletic , I agree...but he makes up for that with fundamentals and IQ , which is why in a few yrs when they are both in their mid 30s Duncan will not be far from what he is now while KG will.Athleticism goes away , fundamentals and IQ dont. Going even further , when was the last time someone on the T'Wolves was among the league leaders in 3pt %?Meanwhile look at the Spurs and basically every yr u have someone up there...Porter , Elliott , Ferry , Bowen , Hedo , and soon to be Barry.The open looks TD gets his teammates off of double teams are priceless , u cant say KG does that. Top it off with the fact that KG makes $30 mill a yr , while TD makes $13 mill...and u have an easy decision.
ok obviously people are going to sit here and say that duncan is better.....why? because he came out the western conference to win 2 championship rings. he's better blahbalhblah garnett couldnt do it. but take a look at Duncans squads when he did it, David Robinson, a man who scored 71 points in a game and a hall of fame center. Tony Parker, probably one of the poitn guards with the the most potential in the league and a 16 point 7 assist guy. Steve Smith, probably the most accurate, if not the most, 3 point shooters in the league, no matter how old he is he stilled averaged about 12 in a starting role. Bruce Bowen, a man who can lock up any small forward he defends just becuase he thrives on playing defense. then on the bench he has players like Stephen Jackson and Malik Rose, clutch leaders like Steve Kerr. Come On who did garnet have, Rasho Nesumthignsumthing?? Wally, who could sore 17 ppg for 50 games in the season, before gettin hurt n missing da playoffs, Troy Hudson, who was a 6'1 sg made to play point, n mistakes were all over, terrell brandon, whos career is just about finished, Sam Mitchell.. who....lets not even start, bottom line is, if you were 2 switch duncan n garnett on these 2 teams of the past, who would have 2 championship rings? Garnett is hands down the better more athletic player of the 2, duncan just had help sooner. But now garnett has help, and he still carried the team as a leader and look where they made it, the spurs on he other hand, losing some of there help in D.Rob Kerr N Smith, didnt make it as far........even tho they had homecourt advantage, how come duncan didnt lead them back? in a few years duncan will be in the spot garnett was at the beggining of his career because the spurs are one of the oldest temas in the league, the wolves on the other hand, 2 years at max before garnett hoists the championship trophy above his head, with all the help he needs standing right beside him....
Say I'm the Bobcats GM and both of these guys are in the expansion draft. Throw out Okafor...let's say I don't have him. Okay...here's the way I look at it: Duncan has rings (experience) and leadership. Garnett can play all 5 spots on the court. Duncan was drafted 2 years later, but Garnett was out of high school. Duncan can defend other big men better than Garnett. Looking at this, I would say Duncan. But then, I'll consider his health...he was injured last year, and it was a knee injury. That alone accounts for something, and that's where I think about the future. Garnett played with a busted knuckle on his right hand...dominant hand...and played great. He's got more heart than anyone, and you never hear the man complain...yet, Duncan will whine about Fisher's shot, getting fouled, etc. and will continue to play at the level he does. Garnett turns it up a notch, and isn't afraid to drive the lane when he's angry and truly dominate the game from that point on. Who's better now? It would be Duncan. Who will be better after it's all said and done? Garnett.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Skriptz:</div><div class="quote_post">ok obviously people are going to sit here and say that duncan is better.....why? because he came out the western conference to win 2 championship rings. he's better blahbalhblah garnett couldnt do it. but take a look at Duncans squads when he did it, David Robinson, a man who scored 71 points in a game and a hall of fame center. Tony Parker, probably one of the poitn guards with the the most potential in the league and a 16 point 7 assist guy. Steve Smith, probably the most accurate, if not the most, 3 point shooters in the league, no matter how old he is he stilled averaged about 12 in a starting role. Bruce Bowen, a man who can lock up any small forward he defends just becuase he thrives on playing defense. then on the bench he has players like Stephen Jackson and Malik Rose, clutch leaders like Steve Kerr. Come On who did garnet have, Rasho Nesumthignsumthing?? Wally, who could sore 17 ppg for 50 games in the season, before gettin hurt n missing da playoffs, Troy Hudson, who was a 6'1 sg made to play point, n mistakes were all over, terrell brandon, whos career is just about finished, Sam Mitchell.. who....lets not even start, bottom line is, if you were 2 switch duncan n garnett on these 2 teams of the past, who would have 2 championship rings?</div> Okay...but what roster are you looking at? Rasho Nesterovic was on the Spurs with Duncan the last time I checked. Also, you can't forget Ginobili...but as for the Minnesota T-Wolves...they had Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Hassell was actually a defensive surprise when they needed him, and if they would've had Hudson, they might have had a nice backup for when Cassell was injured.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay...but what roster are you looking at? Rasho Nesterovic was on the Spurs with Duncan the last time I checked. Also, you can't forget Ginobili...but as for the Minnesota T-Wolves...they had Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Hassell was actually a defensive surprise when they needed him, and if they would've had Hudson, they might have had a nice backup for when Cassell was injured.</div> I think he was talking about the spurs team the last time they won the title. There for he would be correct it was robinson on the team not rasho. He came a year later signed as a free agent from the twolves to the spurs. The only original members still left from the championship sqad on the spurs though now is duncan, parker, ginobli, and malik rose.
thats a good way to look at it....if they had switched teams im pretty sure KG coulda led em to two championships (or more) as well i dont think his past years should be held accountable to him, he didnt really get a GREAT supporting cast till this year so now we'll see who will get more rings I love Duncan's game, he does what he needs to do....this is a guy who was two blocks away from a QUARUPLEDOUBLE in the NBA finals yet made no big deal when the media kept on focusing on David Robinson winning the title.... This is a very very hard debate, i think they are the 2 best players in the league cause they are good in almost every aspect of the game, both of them are great in the paint....KG is quicker but Duncan is more powerful and to the guy who said KG is more better then TD in the paint, thats really ignorant....im a HUGE KG fan but i really believe that is false.....u guve the shot to TD, he rarely misses in the paint, his turn aronud hook is unstoppable...KG doesnt really got to the paint as much as TD cause he doesnt NEED to, he can just flat out beat other PF's....if u put a PF against him, he will score because he is quicker then almost every PF in the league and can beat them and dirve to score......if u defend him with a SF, he is 7'0, and can easily shoot over them.... they are both amazing, this debate wont be settled even after their retired.....they will retire in the top 10 of all time greatest players IMO i think Kevin's time is just starting now....he's getting the breaks after all his hard work and critiscm he recieved, its paying off......next year will be somethin, i really wanna see KG win a title, he will win it soon enough but he really deserves it....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> 1999 Starting Lineup:Avery Johnson , Mario Elie , Sean Elliott , Tim Duncan , David Robinson Bench Notables:Antonio Daniels , Jaren Jackson , Jerome Kersey , Malik Rose , Samaki Walker </div> thers no way u can say that team isnt good... Avery Johnson was a floor elader, a pass first point guard who could knock down shots when needed Mario Ellie was an excellent shooter that could spot up and knock down the shot also Sean Elliot was an amazing shooter (he had just come off the kidney ordeal tho) and could drive when needer....TD had 3 spot up shooters when needed DR was hall of fame center who was still productive TD's squads have never been weak.....and on top of that, he's on the team which makes em much better when Terell Brandon was with KG, he was often injured.....ppl seem to forget that
Now here's a topic thats never been disussed The difference and to why Duncan is the better player has is to be his post game. Garnett relys on his jumping abilty to be effective. He has a range of moves in the post but does not have the strength to be able to hold down players in the low block. Duncan has the size and overall strength to manhandle everyone who tries to guard him. Tim has won two titles with basically role players, KG had two stars but still couldn't win the NBA title. As I said at the start of the year, give Duncan a talent like Cassell or a slasher like Spree on the wing and he would be unstoppable and not many teams would be able to come close to the Spurs. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">even tho they had homecourt advantage, how come duncan didnt lead them back? in a few years duncan will be in the spot garnett was at the beggining of his career because the spurs are one of the oldest temas in the league, the wolves on the other hand, 2 years at max before garnett hoists the championship trophy above his head, with all the help he needs standing right beside him....</div> Shooters didn't hit open shots, thats the bottom line. Hedo, Bowen, Manu, Parker when left open refused to knock down the J's. Spurs were also ran into a very unstoppable Shaquille O'Neal who was the difference maker. Spurs are one of the oldest teams? hmmm and the Wolves aren't? all they have is KG and Cassell who is 33 and Spree 34, sounds to me that Minny only have a few years left to get that championship. Spurs at least have a 21 year old point guard who has tons of potenial to be one of the best PG's around. Devin Brown has HUGE upside and could be a starting quailty two guard very soon. Manu is not exactly old either. KG will never win a title as long as Duncan is in his conference. Bold prediction but Tim has the right pieces around him for many years, Garnett just doesn't. Lets not forget the fact they might be losing Hassell who is a great defender, without him this year, who will make a stop when they need it come playoff time?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> KG will never win a title as long as Duncan is in his conference. Bold prediction but Tim has the right pieces around him for many years, Garnett just doesn't. </div> i doubt that because of this year.....KG got to the West Finals, TD didnt.....there are other teams as well and who knows, one of em might knock off the spurs (i doubt it).....i hope next years conference semis will be KG and TD, that'll be oen for the ages..... and as for the right peices part....i doubt the T-Wolves wont change thier roster as well, i dont think their always gonna have Casell and Spree, they know that, Mchale isnt stupid, he will get the players needed to fill thier roles when the time comes....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">i doubt that because of this year.....KG got to the West Finals, TD didnt.....there are other teams as well and who knows, one of em might knock off the spurs (i doubt it).....i hope next years conference semis will be KG and TD, that'll be oen for the ages.....</div> I'm pretty damn sure the Wolves lost to the same team the Spurs did and It was the same series result, the Spurs would of likely rolled over an injured Kings team had they finished with that 1st seed. So the "KG got further" point is worthless. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and as for the right peices part....i doubt the T-Wolves wont change thier roster as well, i dont think their always gonna have Casell and Spree, they know that, Mchale isnt stupid, he will get the players needed to fill thier roles when the time comes....</div> From my understanding most of the top players in this league are sealed up for at least the next 6 years and with KG's huge contract It will be tough to find room for a top free-agency to get alot of money to play in Minny. Spurs on the other hand always try and keep themselves steady with the salary cap.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">My people! This is no tie! He was surrounded by talented players, and they were leading the team, not Duncan. While Garnett has no rings, he has brought a weak team out of a hole, and made franchise history by progressing past the 1st and 2nd round. </div> ANd Kgs not surrounded by talented players ? Latrell, Sam Cassesl, Trenton Hassel, Wally Sczierbak, and Fred Hoidberg arnt talented? Tim Duncan led a team of a very young Tony Parker, Emuel Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, and a very old 8 PPG David Robinson. So it looks like KG had some better talent and Im not even going to name the whole rosters. Tim Duncan could do it with a weaker cast. KG couldnt do it with a better cast. The only reason they got out of the 1st round is because of Sam and Latrell. We all saw these past couple of years how KG took them a lone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Now here's a topic thats never been disussed The difference and to why Duncan is the better player has is to be his post game. Garnett relys on his jumping abilty to be effective. He has a range of moves in the post but does not have the strength to be able to hold down players in the low block. Duncan has the size and overall strength to manhandle everyone who tries to guard him. Tim has won two titles with basically role players, KG had two stars but still couldn't win the NBA title. As I said at the start of the year, give Duncan a talent like Cassell or a slasher like Spree on the wing and he would be unstoppable and not many teams would be able to come close to the Spurs. Shooters didn't hit open shots, thats the bottom line. Hedo, Bowen, Manu, Parker when left open refused to knock down the J's. Spurs were also ran into a very unstoppable Shaquille O'Neal who was the difference maker. Spurs are one of the oldest teams? hmmm and the Wolves aren't? all they have is KG and Cassell who is 33 and Spree 34, sounds to me that Minny only have a few years left to get that championship. Spurs at least have a 21 year old point guard who has tons of potenial to be one of the best PG's around. Devin Brown has HUGE upside and could be a starting quailty two guard very soon. Manu is not exactly old either. KG will never win a title as long as Duncan is in his conference. Bold prediction but Tim has the right pieces around him for many years, Garnett just doesn't. Lets not forget the fact they might be losing Hassell who is a great defender, without him this year, who will make a stop when they need it come playoff time?</div> Bold Prediction is right. You cant expect them to win a championship right off the bat with the new players. Hassel will not be a serious blow, especially since we can probably get someone just as good. Hudson is back in action next year , that more than makes up for the abscence of a player, considering he isn't replaced. I don't know how you can sy that they wont win a chip against TD, but lets just wait. Anyone who is smart about the NBA and doesn't let their fanboisim get in the way of their choices and predictions should know that the league will be all SPurs and Wolves next year. I know that they will always have the top 3 spots in the west(and im sure one of them will be best in the league) While everyone can hype about the Rockets, Heat , Lakers and whoever else, the Spurs and WOlves will battling up at the top, no doubt.
^ Hey.....respond to my post as well. Id like to see what you have to say to my post, in which I replied to yours....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> How is Garnett the best player? How do we determine if he is better than, say, Tim Duncan. MVP's? Duncan has two. Garnett one. Rings? Duncan has two. Garnett has zero. Points since 2000-01 season? Garnett has 7368. Duncan 7331. PPG since 2000-01 season? 23.35 for Duncan. 22.60 for Garnett Rebounds since 2000-01 season? Garnett has 4143. Duncan 3941. RPG since 2000-01 season? Garnett has 12.71. Duncan 12.55 So.... Duncan and Garnett have nearly identical stats. In reality, the only thing that sets them apart in this comparisons, are the championships. So I wouldn't say Garnett is the better player. IMO they are pretty damn close to being equal.</div> just based on this and adding one fact to it makes me say that right now, i have to go with garnett. Duncan has always had good talent around him Garnett has not. Last season was the first time that Garnett was surrounded by real talent & they got a helluva lot further than any year previous. Just my .02, but if you have two guys with fairly identical stats and want to know who is better, its the guy with no real help over the guy with good talent around him.
I don't understand why everyone's saying Garnett is better. Forget the awards, skills and every other category to compare. What's the PURPOSE of playing in the NBA? To win a championship - I think that's common sense. When it comes to leadership, being built around and the chances of winning the championship, Duncan is easily the better player by a LARGE margin, period. Garnett is a great leader, but where has he taken his team? I don't care about his supporting cast. Bottom line is he never lead his team to the championship while Duncan has lead his team to the championship twice. However, I believe Garnett will take his team to the championship next season, and if he does, then this comparison won't be as much of a blowout for Duncan. Bottom line is, you can only say Garnett is better by faith while you can only say Duncan is better by facts.
