<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">The only good white players atm are Dirk Nowitzki,Jason Williams,Peja Stojakovic,Wally Szerbiack isn't bad. There are few black players save maybe Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan that can shoot the ball as well as a white player can.</div> Why make comments like that at all?? What you said kinda sounds stupid?...i mean the coments you made make you sound like ignornant??..i don't think that was your intention,but other people on the board can take it another way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">Shawn Marion can't shoot. You been watching the Olympics? Most black players aren't good shooters. They are what I call streaky. Reggie Miller,Michael Redd are exceptions.</div> Don't make too many generalizations regarding race. Stereotyping isn't the best way to argue your points. There are a ton of black players that can shoot. The U.S. basketball team just didn't select most of them.
Iron Shiek, are you black? you seem real "passionate" on these issues and you speak the truth which I admire. props to you.
I totally agree with the race issue Black people in America are always being discriminated against just like us Foreigners Casue if A black person or a Foreigner goes and applies for a job at Pizza hut they wont be hired they rather Take the Lazy white American face it Americans are Lazy thats y they cant play anymore
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">Shawn Marion can't shoot. You been watching the Olympics? Most black players aren't good shooters. They are what I call streaky. Reggie Miller,Michael Redd are exceptions.</div> What do you call a good shooter? I can name a lot more exceptions than that, you know. Kobe Bryant is an excellent shooter. Ray Allen. Allen Houston. Many more. White perimeter tend to be better shooters than black players because they lack the quickness getting to the basket. If they couldn't shoot well, they'd have a hard time staying in the league. And the few white players who ARE very quick and good at penetrating aren't so great at shooting (Jason Williams comes to mind).
The fact that this issue is even being discussed means that we still have a long way to go till achieving THE DREAM.
I don't mean no offense, but it's true. The 3-point line was practically invented for the white player. That's what they bring to the table. Along with hustle ability and raw energy i.e. Mark Madsen. Black players bring raw athleticism and the ability to spread the floor create shots, and get inside. The reason they own the sport now is because 1on1 people like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan were impossible to guard. They'd either slip up or you'd foul them otherwise without double triple teaming they would score.There isn't a white player in the league that does that. Dirk basically has that one back down turn around jumpshot that no one can stop. Peja is a spot-up shooter. Barry's same thing. I don't think being overly sensitive helps the situation either when it comes to racism. I 'm not racist in any way, but that's my perception. Right or wrong.
JKiDD05NeTs... I don't like the way you worded that first post in question. You came off completely ignorant. There is some truth to what you TRIED to say though... The problem with race comparison is that there is so many more black players in the league than white ones. By nature, black people are much more athletic than white people are, and they CAN get by solely on their athletic ability, without a great jump shot. White people, however, have little to no choice in the game. They either become a consistant shooter, or play in Europe. This makes it seem like a typical White player is a great shooter. But in reality, being a great shooter is almost the only way for a white player to fit in to the NBA game. Great shooting has become a stereotype for a white player, but that's only because the white players that can't shoot aren't in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44caliberThrila:</div><div class="quote_post">JKiDD05NeTs... I don't like the way you worded that first post in question. You came off completely ignorant. There is some truth to what you TRIED to say though... The problem with race comparison is that there is so many more black players in the league than white ones. By nature, black people are much more athletic than white people are, and they CAN get by solely on their athletic ability, without a great jump shot. White people, however, have little to no choice in the game. They either become a consistant shooter, or play in Europe. This makes it seem like a typical White player is a great shooter. But in reality, being a great shooter is almost the only way for a white player to fit in to the NBA game. Great shooting has become a stereotype for a white player, but that's only because the white players that can't shoot aren't in the league.</div> That's exactly right, and given we're just finishing the Athens Olympics, it's fitting to point out that most track and field events that involve athleticism, particularly the running events, are dominated by black people. You take the men's 100 metre sprint; it's almost strange when you see a white man in that race. That's not being racist, that's just fact. Today's NBA game is based so much around one on one skills, and pure athletes tend to succeed more. Because you can learn to shoot a basketball and things like that, but you can't learn to be more athletic - it's something you're naturally given to an extent, and black people have it. Take Dwight Howard and Robert Swift for example. You can bet your life that Swift has a more advanced game fundamentally, but his body isn't as developed as Howard's, and he doesn't have the athletic ability that Howard does.
Brad Miller would have helped the team more than Okafor, who didn't play. A few white shooters like Szerbiak or Barry would have helped too, since they didn't have Ray Allen or Redd.
I don't mean no offense, but it's true. The 3-point line was practically invented for the white player. That's what they bring to the table. Along with hustle ability and raw energy i.e. Mark Madsen. Black players bring raw athleticism and the ability to spread the floor create shots, and get inside. The reason they own the sport now is because 1on1 people like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan were impossible to guard. They'd either slip up or you'd foul them otherwise without double triple teaming they would score.There isn't a white player in the league that does that. Dirk basically has that one back down turn around jumpshot that no one can stop. Peja is a spot-up shooter. Barry's same thing. I don't think being overly sensitive helps the situation either when it comes to racism. I 'm not racist in any way, but that's my perception. Right or wrong. You just sounded like Jimmy The Greek there (look it up if you don't understand the reference). Those are the BIGGEST stereotypes basketball-wise that you can rehash. So in the history of basketball there have been NO athletic white guys playing basketball? Are you kidding me? I suppose there aren't any Asian kids with ill handles dunking from the dotted line around either? The bottom line is that culturally, in different areas, basketball is played differently and in America not enough fundamentals and basketball history is being taught to these kids. Mid range games and shooting off the backboard are in dire straits. I tried to play like DJ, Parish, McHale, Bird, Magic, Isaiah, and Bernard King as a kid. In five years time, EVERYONE wanted to be like Mike! Dunk or turnaround jumper became the order of the day. That or the crossover followed by the pull up 18 foot jumper. I could name 50 EXTREMELY athletic White guys that jump over cars in dunk contests or can fly down the court and dribble. A lot of them are personal trainers, ball handling instructors, jump technicians, shooting instructors and they have many behind the scenes jobs. I could name 50 shooting specialists that are Black in the NBA and HUNDREDS throughout the history of it. I don't know how basketball you've played, seen or how old you are but if you're over 18 writing stuff like that then you should post your address so I can send you some videos and reading materials to catch you up to 2004. One.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post"> Today's NBA game is based so much around one on one skills, and pure athletes tend to succeed more. Because you can learn to shoot a basketball and things like that, but you can't learn to be more athletic - it's something you're naturally given to an extent, and black people have it. Take Dwight Howard and Robert Swift for example. You can bet your life that Swift has a more advanced game fundamentally, but his body isn't as developed as Howard's, and he doesn't have the athletic ability that Howard does.</div> Athletism is great for 1v1 play. White guys tend to be more team players(Kidd,Jason Williams, Nash,etc.) Black people tend to be more of a 1v1 tpye player. Sorry is that sounded sterotypical. Black people are naturally longer and more athletic and rely on their own skills. White players rely on their team to win and the Euros showed how White People play. It's better not to fully rely on your athletism though. People who arn't athletixc are great too such as Timmy, Shaq, and Jason Kidd. Athletism is not a must need for the sport of Basketball. I personally don't rely on my athletism to win as I am not very athletic, where I can do flips and splits and crap. And I seem to do pretty well in games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">Athletism is great for 1v1 play. White guys tend to be more team players(Kidd,Jason Williams, Nash,etc.) Black people tend to be more of a 1v1 tpye player. Sorry is that sounded sterotypical. Black people are naturally longer and more athletic and rely on their own skills. White players rely on their team to win and the Euros showed how White People play. It's better not to fully rely on your athletism though. People who arn't athletixc are great too such as Timmy, Shaq, and Jason Kidd. Athletism is not a must need for the sport of Basketball. I personally don't rely on my athletism to win as I am not very athletic, where I can do flips and splits and crap. And I seem to do pretty well in games.</div> There are always exceptions to the rule, but on the whole, the NBA game is evolved to a point where it is based more around athletic ability. Tim Duncan is still athletic, while Jason Kidd is so good because he can find a Richard Jefferson or a Kenyon Martin for the Alley-oop with a defense splitting pass. Guys like Mark Price and Larry Bird were so good because they were able to produce a moment of magic through having such advanced basketball minds and fundamentals, but on a whole, if you want to watch that sort of thing, European leagues are your go.
does race really matter? i think the only think dat really matters is dedication, respect and love for the game ive seen caucasian guys knock over african-american guys in the post without fouling ive seen african-americans shoot 3's at a extremly high percentage to me race doesnt matter
i understand what all of you are saying and i respect all races. I know for a fact that african americans have a higher percentage of athletes that play betetr than white athletes and there are reasons too that too which do not need to be stated. so the point i was gonna make is that yes they do have more athletes that are better in basketball but the whites will very soon catch up to there levels of atheletecism and there style of play and will very soon become a game of mixed races from chineese to africans from germans to yugoslovians and from turkish to mexican the NBA will be a sport played by all races and dominated by the elite from all over the world not only from one continent.
i understand what all of you are saying and i respect all races. I know for a fact that african americans have a higher percentage of athletes that play betetr than white athletes and there are reasons too that too which do not need to be stated. so the point i was gonna make is that yes they do have more athletes that are better in basketball but the whites will very soon catch up to there levels of atheletecism and there style of play and will very soon become a game of mixed races from chineese to africans from germans to yugoslovians and from turkish to mexican the NBA will be a sport played by all races and dominated by the elite from all over the world not only from one continent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GrnDynsty:</div><div class="quote_post"> I could name 50 EXTREMELY athletic White guys that jump over cars in dunk contests or can fly down the court and dribble. A lot of them are personal trainers, ball handling instructors, jump technicians, shooting instructors and they have many behind the scenes jobs. I could name 50 shooting specialists that are Black in the NBA and HUNDREDS throughout the history of it. I don't know how basketball you've played, seen or how old you are but if you're over 18 writing stuff like that then you should post your address so I can send you some videos and reading materials to catch you up to 2004. One.</div> I don't think anyone doubts that there are some extremely athletic white players, and pure shooting black players. But look at the NBA game today, and you find fairly clear divisions in the style of play depending on whether a player is black or white. Are there exceptions? OF COURSE. But let's talk about the tendencies. What percentage of white players and black players in the NBA today would you call a great dunker? How about a great shooter? How many white NBA rookies can you name who were touted as an "athletically gifted raw talent?" Now, where do these differences come from? I think it stems from a variety of factors ranging from socio-economic, cultural, to even biological. You can cite exceptions all you want, but don't tell me that there isn't some truth in the white player/black player stereotypes. Nor is it racist to identify them. In fact, it's necessary to identify them and there reasons for being if we want to really understand the state the game today and the whys and hows of its ongoing evolution.
There is racism in the NBA game today - among the fans. We all know that the evolution of the NBA has led it to become predominantly black. This is not discrimination towards whites - the athletes in the NBA are simply better basketball players than the ones who aren't in the NBA. The first black players in the NBA took a long time to get there, because for a long time, it was so that blacks were generally poor, as a result of blatant prejudice dating back to the days of slavery. Blacks were considered inferior and were given menial jobs, or worse yet, no jobs at all. That's why most black families were poor - not because they didn't want to work, not because they weren't capable of having good jobs; because they HAD to be poor. The prejudice towards blacks in the US from the days of slavery until the 1970's - and still today - is something disgustingly unfortunate. There is no reason for racism. Racism and prejudice in general have caused so many problems in the world, I couldn't even list them all. However, in time, college recruiters began to recognize that many of these poor black men were surprisingly good basketball players. And they started coming into the league. By the dozens. At first, there was some animosity over the arrival of black players in the NBA. From the get-go, white players saw that they were being outplayed by these blacks. Many of these white players became frustrated because they still had the mindset of a racist American society, and considered that no black man could be superior to them. Yet they were, and they played a different kind of game. One that could rely on athleticism and individual skill; this preceded today's NBA game. To describe that game, one might use the word "black" and use it thoughtfully. The style of play currently fashioned in the NBA is one brought in by the pioneering black players of previous NBA years. There are most probably some biological differences between blacks and whites that favor the former - perhaps caused by the days of slavery, when black slaves were physically very strong. However, black players developed their game because they were brought up in a setting where something they were usually "allowed" to succeed at was athletics, to a certain extent. Many of the poorer players fashioned the proverbial shopping-cart-and-telephone-pole baskets and played every day for several hours, simply because white society was too arrogant and racist to allow black people to participate in its activities. This gave birth to a tradition of athletic black players who did everything they could to become better, in hopes of becoming the next Julius Erving, and, along the way, becoming the pride of the family by getting a college education, often at a prestigious institution like UCLA or North Carolina. Poverty still exists today, but not only among blacks. To say it did would be a huge mistake and an injustice to those families who live in poverty. However, not every black family is poor - that's something some people have yet to understand. But they still breed basketball players with gifts of athleticism, and, more importantly, DEVELOPED talents. Every player in the NBA is talented, black, white, Oriental, whatever - it's dedication, love for the game. The NBA game today is dominated by blacks, because, as mentioned, they are the best basketball players available to NBA teams. There are whites, of course - many of international origins. This is because in Europe and South America, as well as Asia, there are much fewer blacks. Those players are less athletically gifted than their American counterparts, but they make up for it in what we see today - great shooting from countless hours of practice. This has changed from the days of the All-American white player - because the All-American player is now confronted to players from every dot on the map with more talent, and, more importantly, an opportunity to make it to the pros. The NBA has been a demonstration of equality much more than it has been one of racism. Players make it because they're talented, no matter what their race. This is the way it always should've been. I don't think the Olympic issue is so much racism as it is disappointment, and the grim realization that international basketball can rival US basketball. Something I can guarantee is the same mistakes will not be made again. It won't be an issue of black or white - the American public should be smart enough by now to recognize the performances of players, and look past their race. Blacks are Americans as much as whites, and have the same right to represent their country. The entire American fanbase should recognize this and get their heads out of the sand. It's time to wake up, and be what America stands for: freedom and equality. For such ideals have been presented not only now, but countless times in the past, many times in a disgusting show of hypocrisy in which case the Bill of Rights was not considered to apply to blacks. Hopefully America has overcome that obstacle and is ready to make an international athletic showing something of pride and hard work. It's not time to make excuses on the state of international basketball. A US team should be able to beat any international team, provided they work together and work hard.
