<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny that you seem to let the person that does the most amount of physical damage, the least amount of penalty. So by default then, if some guy was to throw something at you, and u fight them and they end up in the hospital near death, they should be sent to jail while u get a fine. So in your logic, provoking is what should get the main punishment. And yes if you are a PRO, meaning professional, u conduct yourself in a professional manner. Thats what the word emphasizes, if a fan does that one should have enough restraint. These athletes get paid a lot more than doctors and engineers who actually do things more important for society, not only do they get paid more, they get more things for free, and get to be in top shape all the time. With that said they have the life, and if a fan who paid a lot of money to be in the arena and worked to get to the game even acts in that way, a professional should have restraint as they know they have a better life than the fan regardless.</div> You have exellent points that the leauge has to look at in assigning punishments. Pros are supposed to control themselves. But Artests foul wasn't that hard at all and he just overreacted. The fan that threw the beer was probably drunk and had no idea what he was doing. But if a player is physically touched or hit with an object from a fan they feel thretened and have the right to take action. The bottom line is the fans shouldn't have thrown the objects. Just because they have better lives than the fans doesn't mean anything. A person is a person no matter who or what they are. They have the right to defend themselves which was exactly what Artest was doing.
The refs had called the game before the beer was even thrown. When they saw that order wasn't going to be restored they called it and was trying to get the players in the locker room. But the fan threw the beer and it erupted again.
I have lost all respect for Ron Artest. I don't care if the fans started it. What Ron Artest did was ****** wrong. He should be kicked out of the NBA.
Man, I'm watching sportscenter right now and getting a whole bunch more details in the brawl. Kids were left sad/crying, fans are hurt, can't believe it.
I'm watching that to. They showed a picture of a kid holding his little brother who was crying. Taht's sad when it impacts kids that much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting That NBA Girl:</div><div class="quote_post">I have lost all respect for Ron Artest. I don't care if the fans started it. What Ron Artest did was ****** wrong. He should be kicked out of the NBA.</div> Artest was the victim in this situation. He acted in self-defense. It wasn't like he just walked into the stands and assaulted a fan for no apparent reason. So your saying if someone threw a beer at you when you were minding your own buisness you would just sit there and ignore it? Fans aren't supposed to physically hurt or throw things at the players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">Artest was the victim in this situation. He acted in self-defense. It wasn't like he just walked into the stands and assaulted a fan for no apparent reason. So your saying if someone threw a beer at you when you wer minding your own buisness you would just sit there and ignore it? Fans aren't supposed to physically hurt or throw things at the players.</div> no, i think we are the victims having to see a picture of kyle korver with "hotness" written through it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">no, i think we are the victims having to see a picture of kyle korver with "hotness" written through it.</div> HAHA!!! That's funnier than the picture of the fan when Artest jumped him! No offense That NBA Girl.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kids were left sad/crying, fans are hurt, can't believe it.</div> I think those kid's relative or dad or something was also invovled in pummeling some of the Indiana's players. Jones I think it was. He was the fat guy with the grey shirt.. can't miss him. Anyways, this was a disgrace to the game of basketball. The fans should never do something like that and go disrespecting the game. However, Artest really had no reason to foul Ben Wallace. They were up by 15 points with 45 seconds left! To me, it was kind of a pointless foul that wasn't even close to being a block. Last night was everyone's fault. Ben overeacted, Stephen Jackson ushered the fight, the fans were drunk and disrespectin, and Artest was just easy prey for the bottle (lying on the score table is such a big target!).. nah I'm just kidding.
Aznxzballer is right the fat guy was beating jones in the back of the head when Artest was going after the beer thrower.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">Artest was the victim in this situation. He acted in self-defense. It wasn't like he just walked into the stands and assaulted a fan for no apparent reason. So your saying if someone threw a beer at you when you were minding your own buisness you would just sit there and ignore it? Fans aren't supposed to physically hurt or throw things at the players.</div> Actually, I 100% probably would. I'd get security or an arena worker to take care of it. That's their job. Fighting solves nothing and just makes you look like a complete a-hole. Seriously, by all the fighting last night... what exactly was solved? NOTHING. They were fighting over a cup of beer. Come on now. It's freaking RON ARTEST. We all know his rep. I believe that if it they were playing Utah or anyone else and someone like Kirilenko came down and fouled Wallace, I believe none of this would have happened. I believe Ron Artest initiates everything. You can disagree with me because I know almost all of you will. You have to look at the whole senario. We all know of Ron Artest purposly going out of his way to foul people in the past (Pierce, Snow, etc.). Bottomline, I believe Wallace only went after Artest because he's Artest. The end.
Artest does have a bad rep, but if Wallace beleived it was a hard foul he wold have pushed anyone. He may have gone out of his way to foul people in the past but he was trying to stay out of it. I think Artest has turned over a new leaf. But he was justified in his actions toward the fans.
Yeah you wouldn't miss what that jerk fat guy in grey did to Jones, who actually tried to break up the fight. Fatty was angry and vicious, I believe his second hammer floored Jones... he was almost twice his size.. the investigators need to crack on this grey fatty and arrest him for assault.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting That NBA Girl:</div><div class="quote_post">What about Jamal Tinsley trying to hit fans with a broom?</div> It was a dustpan, not a broom. He came out of the locker room shaking one then thought better of it and trotted back into the locker room. That wasn't that big of a deal because nothing became of it.
athletes get played to play basketball. fans pay money to watch basketball games. I don't see anything wrong with fans insulting players but, trying to physically hurt someone (throwing a bottle at them) just crosses the line. He threw the bottle so he had to pay the consequences. Security should have been on top of this thing. But people on here who talk about athletes get paid to be role models and stuff like that, that's all BS. Athletes get paid to play the game. Just like a lwayer gets paid to lie, or a bus driver gets paid to drive, a cook gets paid to cook. People expect too much from athletes, they have no obligation to fans other than playing the game and winning for their respective teams. Some fans need to get beat up... good job Artest, maybe now some of thes eidiots that go to games will think twice about throwing stuff at players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mullin17:</div><div class="quote_post">athletes get played to play basketball. fans pay money to watch basketball games. I don't see anything wrong with fans insulting players but, trying to physically hurt someone (throwing a bottle at them) just crosses the line. He threw the bottle so he had to pay the consequences. Security should have been on top of this thing. But people on here who talk about athletes get paid to be role models and stuff like that, that's all BS. Athletes get paid to play the game. Just like a lwayer gets paid to lie, or a bus driver gets paid to drive, a cook gets paid to cook. People expect too much from athletes, they have no obligation to fans other than playing the game and winning for their respective teams. Some fans need to get beat up... good job Artest, maybe now some of thes eidiots that go to games will think twice about throwing stuff at players.</div> These kind of things happen ALL the time at concerts I go to but not once have I ever seen anything errupt like it did last night. I've been to VARIOUS concerts where bottles, paper, etc. was thrown onto the stage or towards it and never ONCE have I seen anyone in any band jump off the stage and attack fans. I did see once Nickelback ask security to remove a fan but that's the closest to last night. I guess musicans and atheletes are totally different when it comes to these kind of things.
