What are your thoughts on J-Rich? I love his style of game and I think if he keeps up what he did against Denver last night with the D, he can be an all-star. I'm glad we signed him for six years
It is just awesome to see the way this guy is developing. Sure he isn't the complete player yet but he does show flashes of brilliance like he did last night. He has become the Warriors unquestionable leader and go to guy. The sky is the limit for this guy.
You said it. Does anyone notice what happened to Murph in the fisrt games without J-Rich? He had less than ten points in each of three games, now he and J-Rich are showing themselves to be a very good tandem
If the Warriors can get a good PG in the draft, they can actually make a playoff push. PG - Draft pick SG - J-Rich SF - Mickael Pietrus PF - Troy Murphy C - Andris Biedrins Dare I say the Warriors have a bright future??
In our big 4 (Arenas, Hughes, Richardson, and Jamison), I always thought Richardson had the most raw talent, and he is now starting to scretch his potential. It sucks to lose Arenas, but for Richardson's stand point, parting Richardson and Arenas might be the best move in Richardson's career. With Arenas, he was known for lazy and even rebeled against Muss by skipping the practice. But without Arenas, he took the responsibility and became a gymrat once again. Heck, I heard that he sneaked into the gym and practiced his shooting at night while he was injured. Probably because of that, he showed a lot of improvement in last 1+ years, and he still has a lot of improvement to do. It's almost scary what will happen if Richardson learns how to dribble and penetrate. Hope that happens in the near future...
Man he has the ability to be a great player. If he can get a move that gets him to the basket and he can play D like he did against Denver, he can easily make the all-star team every year. People already like his hops and he can be a fan-favorite everywhere if he can learn to dribble
Man I did not know he snuck into a gym to practice? Wow. I respect Jrich now. Before I though he was going to be another Desmond Mason without the consistency or the defense.
You guys are forgetting Dunleavy in the Warriors' Future-talk cmon man! Richardson is a good player ... I think he'll be pretty big later on as his play matures with experience ... long time ago ... all they talked about was his leaping ability ... now as his game matured ... you can see he has worked on his SKILLS so he won't have to rely on his athleticsm as much ... I see a bright future for him ... and DUNLEAVY =)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BALLIN IN AZGS:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys are forgetting Dunleavy in the Warriors' Future-talk cmon man! Richardson is a good player ... I think he'll be pretty big later on as his play matures with experience ... long time ago ... all they talked about was his leaping ability ... now as his game matured ... you can see he has worked on his SKILLS so he won't have to rely on his athleticsm as much ... I see a bright future for him ... and DUNLEAVY =)</div> Umm Dunleavy hasn't done much to really prove he's an adequate long term starter. But I guess the future is unknown for him and its up to him to prove the doubters wrong that he can be more than just a role player and be more than a glue guy. Personally, I think it's not wise to get any hopes up in case he never does take off. He's really soft and doesn't have an effect that makes other people better unless he's playing more aggressive, which he hardly does. And his softness, he makes Vlade Divac's flops after a little contact look genuine. I think if Dunleavy drops the drama and starts playing with more passion and aggressiveness, he can findally do what he's supposed to do in being the Toni Kukoc role player or glue guy sort of guard/small forward.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BALLIN IN AZGS:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys are forgetting Dunleavy in the Warriors' Future-talk cmon man! Richardson is a good player ... I think he'll be pretty big later on as his play matures with experience ... long time ago ... all they talked about was his leaping ability ... now as his game matured ... you can see he has worked on his SKILLS so he won't have to rely on his athleticsm as much ... I see a bright future for him ... and DUNLEAVY =)</div> First, if Dunleavy wants to be a part of Warriors future, he needs to learn how to play with Richardson first. When he played with Richardson, he was checked in single digit 13 out of 28 games, while without Richardson, he averaged 14.1 with only one single digit pts game. It's because Dunleavy likes to handle the ball, but with Richardson, he doesn't get to handle the ball, so he usually disappear and be ineffective. And, if we need to make the choice between Dunleavy and Richardson, I think the answer is quite clear. Also, if Dunleavy wants to be something special in the future, I think he just needs to show any kind of improvement. There is no excuse for Dunleavy to average same as last year. At least, last year he has an excuse that Muss didn't like him. So, we brought his type of coach and the system, yet he is virtually averaging same as last year, when this year is supposely the break out year. 03-04 31.1 min 449 % 370 3pts % 74 ft% 1.9 TO 5.9 reb 2.9 ast 11.7 p 04-05 31.9 min 435 % 350 3pts % 76 ft% 2.1 TO 5.3 reb 2.6 ast 11.9 p So far, Dunleavy only proved that he is a temporary starter, until we find better player or fit...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">First, if Dunleavy wants to be a part of Warriors future, he needs to learn how to play with Richardson first. When he played with Richardson, he was checked in single digit 13 out of 28 games, while without Richardson, he averaged 14.1 with only one single digit pts game. It's because Dunleavy likes to handle the ball, but with Richardson, he doesn't get to handle the ball, so he usually disappear and be ineffective. And, if we need to make the choice between Dunleavy and Richardson, I think the answer is quite clear. Also, if Dunleavy wants to be something special in the future, I think he just needs to show any kind of improvement. There is no excuse for Dunleavy to average same as last year. At least, last year he has an excuse that Muss didn't like him. So, we brought his type of coach and the system, yet he is virtually averaging same as last year, when this year is supposely the break out year. 03-04 31.1 min 449 % 370 3pts % 74 ft% 1.9 TO 5.9 reb 2.9 ast 11.7 p 04-05 31.9 min 435 % 350 3pts % 76 ft% 2.1 TO 5.3 reb 2.6 ast 11.9 p So far, Dunleavy only proved that he is a temporary starter, until we find better player or fit...</div> Wow, nice Kwan! I'll have to say that even though stats are an indicator of how a player is doing, you can just see by watching that Dunleavy is one of the most passive and softest players in our starting rotation that is a big question mark in terms of team chemistry. How much of his team skills will equate to him being the starter for years to come? I mean we've seen him make some solid passes that go unoticed a lot of times, but what bothers me most about him is his defense and his acting job on flops and no-calls... He insists its not his fault (because he's too slow to guard em or help out) I think that aspect of his game is partly why he falls out of favor with the coaches, some of his teammates, and impatient Warrior fans watching not taking that type of player seriously as the guy who is going to be a liability all the time with player assignments. I mean he just isn't aggressive on offense and doesn't provide the type of scoring we need to overlook his shortcomings. He isn't the kind of defensive minded player that we need him to be. I mean we give up 99 points per game and allow 46.5%* shooting on average when we score 93 pts on 41%* shooting most nights. As a team we aren't playing great defensively and our two most valuable players, who have untradeable contracts for two more years, we need to build on. What I think we need to do is find some way that will complement Jrich and Murphy's skills at the small forward position and prefeably go more athletic or find someone that is strong and can hustle. I want to say Pietrus, but he's too many years away at developing an offensive game and becoming a team player that Dunleavy or Jrich is. Yes, I consider Jrich a team player because if you notice him, he passes pretty well and he's unselfish that way. I don't know if we can compete seriously for the playoffs unless we upgrade 2 of the 5 spots on the floor and either re-sign Speedy or find an upgrade with better vision of the floor and a more trusty worthy shot off the dribble. Just being a donut team with no post presence is bad enough, but when our perimeter defense has not changed because of not having at least one point guard that can match up with a 6'3-6'4 point guard or having a small forward rotation of Dunleavy, Cheaney, and Pietrus who are all liablities in one form of another. Pietrus is long, but he's not strong or long enough to be playing defense on the 6'8 or taller small forward full time. He's better guarding the 2 position and using his quickness. Cheaney's just getting old. *http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_tea...table1.html#top
I will say this; when Dunleavy is confident, he can be a very good player. But when his confidence is down he sucks. But this goes for any player. I think it will be a matter of time until he is truly confident and becomes a dependable player. I dont think he will ever be a Peja type player, but he could be a very serviceable SF. I think Pietrus will be better though. As far as consistency, Jrich has been as consistent as possible this year. With the exception of the start of the season, he has had almost all 18-24pt games. Remember last year when he would score 24 one game, then the next game only score 13? He did that all year long! He only had a handful of back to back good games. He is doing great this year. The thing I love about him is he gets better and better every year. That shows hard work and dedication right there.
Dunleavy is one year behind JRich. Think about what Warriorsfansnc93 just pointed out about JRich, how he has seemingly overcome his inconsistency. If Dunleavy were to do that next year, look out because I think you have to admit that his flashes of brilliance are there. Patience. Thats what I'm asking about Dunleavy and more importantly what I'm asking about the Warriors overall. That's been a major problem of the Warriors in the last 10 years, the lack of patience. Let's keep our chins up and keep hope not just get overwhelmed by less than half a season and start tearing up the team again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy is one year behind JRich. Think about what Warriorsfansnc93 just pointed out about JRich, how he has seemingly overcome his inconsistency. If Dunleavy were to do that next year, look out because I think you have to admit that his flashes of brilliance are there. Patience. Thats what I'm asking about Dunleavy and more importantly what I'm asking about the Warriors overall. That's been a major problem of the Warriors in the last 10 years, the lack of patience. Let's keep our chins up and keep hope not just get overwhelmed by less than half a season and start tearing up the team again.</div> Yeah, but the difference between Jrich and Dunleavy is that Jrich was inconsistent from game to game. Dunleavy is consistently bad then once every 10-15 games he puts up a 20 pt game. That is worse than Jrich's rookie season...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but the difference between Jrich and Dunleavy is that Jrich was inconsistent from game to game. Dunleavy is consistently bad then once every 10-15 games he puts up a 20 pt game. That is worse than Jrich's rookie season...</div> Much worse. Like Kwan said, Dunleavy hasn't improved much statisticaly, but he has just gotten so much worse as a player. He doesn't play D and half of the time he looks like he's sleepwalking on the court.
Besides the inconsistency in Dunleavy's game, he does a lot of good things for his team that don't show up on a stat sheet or don't look like highlight material. But what I can't stand about the player is how soft he is. It's no wonder why he doesn't get the calls sometime, because the refs dont know if he's faking it or he's just really soft for a player his size. If he toughens up, gets back up after taking a charge, and starts hustling more, I can see a player that would be good to have. I'd like to see Brian Cardinal with ballhandling and passing skills if I could, but I know Dun is not that type of hustle player that will do whatever it takes to make his team better. I've always felt he was a bit of a silver spoon fed player with the amount of chances he gets to make something happen and he doesn't even deserve it. That and the fact he gets sound bytes where it's "Dunleavy at the Warriors". Man... first Jrich, then Murphy, then Claxton, and then Dunleavy and the Warriors. The commercial and radio producers must think he's this team leader or something, it's kind of funny. It would be like saying "Chris Mihm and the Lakers" or "Chucky Atkins and the Lakers".
that is why I'm not big on JRich, he doesn't make the players around him better. Dunleavy played better without him, and not so good with him. It's not dunleavy who needs to learn how to play with JRich. It's JRich who needs to learn how to be a team player. Once you get past the hops and the occasional scoring spurts, JRich gives you nothing else. No D, no handles. He doesn't (can't) penetrate or get to the line, shoots under 70% from FT. People are enamored by his leaping ability, but if he was so atletic, he'd be able to change direction in mid air, or penetrate the lane between two defenders. Be able to dunk off one foot instead of two feet all the time. the guy's not gonna be Great. He may be good, but thinking he's gonna be a superstar in this league is stretching it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mullin17:</div><div class="quote_post">that is why I'm not big on JRich, he doesn't make the players around him better. Dunleavy played better without him, and not so good with him. It's not dunleavy who needs to learn how to play with JRich. It's JRich who needs to learn how to be a team player. Once you get past the hops and the occasional scoring spurts, JRich gives you nothing else. No D, no handles. He doesn't (can't) penetrate or get to the line, shoots under 70% from FT. People are enamored by his leaping ability, but if he was so atletic, he'd be able to change direction in mid air, or penetrate the lane between two defenders. Be able to dunk off one foot instead of two feet all the time. the guy's not gonna be Great. He may be good, but thinking he's gonna be a superstar in this league is stretching it.</div> Did you... watch the game recently? Like since last year? Because most of your critisism are more than two years old. If his scoring is an occasional spurt and nothing more, shouldn't he be inconsistant, instead of scoring single digit just one time in this season and define consistancy for this club? Or, you mean his 'scoring spurt' in 4th quarter in recent games, which brought us many victories? I think many people describe it as 'clutch in key situation', instead of 'occasional scoring spurt'. Also, what do you mean Richardson didn't make others better? Murphy and our entire team looked much better with Richardson around, and he is far better team player than Dunleavy at this point. If Richardson and his 3.6 asts are not the sign of making his team better, how should I translate Dunleavy and his 2.5 ast per game? Heck, if he doesn't make others better, what happened during his 9 game absence? If he is such a poor team player, why did we won 4 straight games when he played, got destroyed 9 straight games when he was out, and resumed our winning steak when he was back? It was crystal clear that this team goes nowhere without Richardson, and he makes everybody better except Dunleavy for some reason. It's Dunleavy who fades when he playes with Richardson, not Richardson who doesn't make everybody better. If Dunleavy insists himself to be a playmaker, instead of being a complimantary player for Richardson, we have to make a choice betwen Richardson and Dunleavy, because it doesn't seem like Dunleavy can play well with Richardson. Judging from last month, I think choice is clear...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mullin17:</div><div class="quote_post">that is why I'm not big on JRich, he doesn't make the players around him better. Dunleavy played better without him, and not so good with him. It's not dunleavy who needs to learn how to play with JRich. It's JRich who needs to learn how to be a team player. Once you get past the hops and the occasional scoring spurts, JRich gives you nothing else. No D, no handles. He doesn't (can't) penetrate or get to the line, shoots under 70% from FT. People are enamored by his leaping ability, but if he was so atletic, he'd be able to change direction in mid air, or penetrate the lane between two defenders. Be able to dunk off one foot instead of two feet all the time. the guy's not gonna be Great. He may be good, but thinking he's gonna be a superstar in this league is stretching it.</div> I'd have to agree with Kwan. Jrich has improved so much as a scorer. He's even got a reliable post up move he can use on weaker guards. And I dunno Jrich has had 7 or so games where he recorded 7 to 8 assists compared to Dunleavy's three games with 7 or 8 assists. So Jrich does have passing skills if people could just score and hit their shots. I don't think Dunleavy played that much better without Jrich while he was hurt, because we still lost and Dunleavy wasn't averaging monster numbers or staying as consistent as we'd like him to be. He couldn't fill the void that Jrich left. That's the difference between a star player and a role player. The star player steps up when they need him and takes more shots and makes them. I mean all those faults of Jrich's seemed to be not as noticeable anymore like the fact he can't jump off one foot when in fact he can now. His handle isn't great, but he can still bring the ball up with confidence because he's still learning and has always showed noticeable signs of improvement on the floor and in stats. His last 5 games, the 4 before his injury and the denver game, had him hitting 74% off of 50 foul shot attempts. That's more times to the line than Dunleavy ever got. He was in fact able to get to the line more often, than any of our players, next to Speedy or possibly Troy who gets fouled on the putback. Don't forget Dunleavy is way too soft and slow to be taking defenders off the dribble or as frequently as Jrich can when he gets more fluid with the ball (His athleticism allows him to do things that Dunleavy could only dream about). Jrich has also gotten more consistent with his last 8 games scoring 18 or more points and nearly averaging 7-8 boards per game (incredible for his position). When was Dunleavy more consistent to start badmouthing Jrich? During his absence he still didn't get his rhythm going like in that one 1 for 10, 2pt shooting night followed by the one where he was scoring 19 points on 6 of 12 shooting. Don't forget these were all losses as Speedy and Murphy had to do the majority of the work in getting to the foul line. You may think Jrich doesn't have defense, but Dunleavy by far has the worst defense as a wing player because he's not physical, aggressive, or quick enough to contain the defender and keep them in front of him. Jrich also has the tougher assignments on defense because of the number of scoring two guards in the league compared to small forwards. I think once there is a change in the starting rotation and Foyle starts until Biedrens is ready, I can finally prove in stats that Dun was one of the reasons why our offense isn't as good as it could be with Murphy and Jrich on the floor and why our defense just seems to be the 2nd most horrible in all of the nba and the worst in the western conference. Every stat sheet in the last 10 games, has the opponent shooting over 45%, it's just horrible. I'm not too keen on Dunleavy because he doesn't do much else besides the offensive end (which he is inconsistent in as a scorer and is only good as someone that involves the extra pass but won't get the assist, oh and he also takes the ball up with confidence but isn't going to split defenses with his mad skillz), but I'll give Dun the chance to get better as long as he's a Warrior as slow and tedious as his development is. Frankly, I think it's also a chemistry problem and not so much that Dunleavy isn't a good player. He is, but he doesn't show it like he should be.
