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    Warriorfansnc93 JBB JustBBall Member

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    I keep hearing people say we should trade our pick plus Dunleavy and Fisher/Foyle for a decent center. That got me thinking..

    Who could/would we really trade for. I mean there are only a few good centers in the league. If a team had one of those centers would they really give that up?
     
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    I think the Warriors are in need of an athletic shot-blocking type of center. Next year there are plenty of free agents to address that need. The Warriors could get involved in a sign and trade with the following ...

    Samuel Dalembert
    Stromile Swift
    Kwame Brown
    Tyson Chandler
    Dan Gadzuric

    Other players I think the Warriors should consider would be Chris Wilcox or Melvin Ely.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the Warriors are in need of an athletic shot-blocking type of center. Next year there are plenty of free agents to address that need. The Warriors could get involved in a sign and trade with the following ...

    Samuel Dalembert
    Stromile Swift
    Kwame Brown
    Tyson Chandler
    Dan Gadzuric

    Other players I think the Warriors should consider would be Chris Wilcox or Melvin Ely.</div>
    Biedrins is too much like those other guys. What we need is a low post player that can defend and rebound. Murphy and Dunleavy are good players, but it seems all their effort on offense isn't needed as much when our team gives up close to 48% shooting every night inside the paint.(Murphy heaves a lot of shots and has some post game but is a lousy scorer inside and pretty lazy help defender, Dunleavy seems to thrive with the ball in his hands, but he's too weak/slow right now to play in the post or to help out on dribble penetration). We need a player that is quick/strong enough to actually play defense and play close to the basket and rebound. Part of why Adonal just really stinks this season is because he can't rebound and he's not very coordinated since he got that injury. All he can do is block shots or get posterized trying because our other front court defender and our perimter can't contain anybody. It's like a house of cards. Take one away the rest fall down. The defense needs to be tight like the Pistons or we're going to find out the hard way why our defense is so pitiful against teams that have good forwards.
     
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    Biedrins is supposed to fill the void in that area similar to the players I mentioned, but he's simply not ready to be the every day starter for the Warriors. Also what happens when he goes to the bench? The Warriors don't have anyone to turn to off the bench to give them athleticism or interior defense in the frontcourt.
     
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    what about Jamaal Magloire??? he might be happy leaving NO and joining his ex teammate Baron
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting oaktank88:</div><div class="quote_post">what about Jamaal Magloire??? he might be happy leaving NO and joining his ex teammate Baron</div>

    Magloire seems good, but I'd rather have Biedrins start next year and get a second round C (Channing Frye) and dump Foyle. Also Maglorie is injury prone, as is Baron, but if a big man gets injured, you lose a lot of your interior defense like what happened in the absence of Cliffy
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Biedrins is supposed to fill the void in that area similar to the players I mentioned, but he's simply not ready to be the every day starter for the Warriors. Also what happens when he goes to the bench? The Warriors don't have anyone to turn to off the bench to give them athleticism or interior defense in the frontcourt.</div>

    Well like I said in my other post, we should get a second rounder. We have had good luck with second rounders, and every time there is a diamond in the rough in the second round, and hopefully the Warriors can get it. Foyle's big contract would be nice to get rid of and if the Knicks wanted Malik for Nazr, we should get something out of them with Foyle and turn it into a pick
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Well like I said in my other post, we should get a second rounder. We have had good luck with second rounders, and every time there is a diamond in the rough in the second round, and hopefully the Warriors can get it. Foyle's big contract would be nice to get rid of and if the Knicks wanted Malik for Nazr, we should get something out of them with Foyle and turn it into a pick</div>Channing Frye is not going to fall past the first round. I know a lot of mocks have him going late first round or early second round, but I don't agree with any of them. Channing Frye is finally having a good season, and he's going to get even more exposure in the March Madness tournament. Also keep in mind a lot of the players on early mock drafts probably won't even come out this year, allowing Frye's stock to climb. Players like Chris Paul, Daniel Gibson, & Marvin Williams are closer to returning to college than declaring.

    How about Kelvin Cato or Chris Mihm?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Channing Frye is not going to fall past the first round. I know a lot of mocks have him going late first round or early second round, but I don't agree with any of them. Channing Frye is finally having a good season, and he's going to get even more exposure in the March Madness tournament. Also keep in mind a lot of the players on early mock drafts probably won't even come out this year, allowing Frye's stock to climb. Players like Chris Paul, Daniel Gibson, & Marvin Williams are closer to returning to college than declaring.

    How about Kelvin Cato or Chris Mihm?</div>


    I'd love to get Cato since he could back-up Biedrins. What I really want is a guy who can back-up Biedrins and not whine. Mihm's great, I would be willing to have Mihm start over Biedrins, but I'd like a second rounder a lot more than having Mihm start over Biedrins and have that slow Biedrins time
     
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    Who says Biedrens is not ready to start? How can we judge that when we have not even seen him play a full game? Just based off Monty's judgement? I personally would love to see Murphy and Foyle come down with the flu or mono so we can see solid minutes from Biedrens for a few games.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Who says Biedrens is not ready to start? How can we judge that when we have not even seen him play a full game? Just based off Monty's judgement? I personally would love to see Murphy and Foyle come down with the flu or mono so we can see solid minutes from Biedrens for a few games.</div>The fact he isn't playing is a good indication he's not ready to start. Maybe it changes in the off-season, but right now it's safer to say he's not ready than ready.

    I really think the Warriors need a guy who can guard around the rim and also the perimeter. If you look at the Western Conference match-ups, the Warriors have to deal with Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, KG, Amare, Brand, Randolph, Odom, Brad Miller, Kenyon Martin, Pau Gasol, and Rashard Lewis. In the NBA there are really only 3 centers left, Shaq, Big 'Z', and Yao. Shaq and Big Z probably have 3 good years left, and then Yao will be the only real center left in the league. Even at the college level no one is grabbing much attention as being the next dominant big man.

    With Foyle, he can guard the post up big men in the league. He's fine against the likes of Duncan, Randolph, Brand, Shaq, Big Z and Yao. All of them are back to the basket offensive players, and Foyle is one of the best at defending that type of offensive threat. As good as Foyle is against those type of big men, he struggles against big men who can face him up and take him off the dribble.

    Is Biedrins capable of hanging with KG, Amare, Odom, Dirk or Shard out on the perimeter? I have never seen him play against that type of player, so until
    he can show he's able to be effective against the premiere power forwards, I think the Warriors need to address that area on their roster.

    A player like Tyson Chandler would be the ideal canidate because he can defend inside and is quick enough to guard on the perimeter as well. The Warriors have a lot of assets to offer the Bulls, and I'm not sure if Reisdorf is willing to give Chandler what he wants and sleep at night. He could be a possibility. Chandler has been coming off the bench in Chicago, without any complaints, so that's a big plus for the Warriors as well.

    The other option would be Stromile Swift because he can also defend inside and out effectively.

    Dan Gadzuric has hands made out of concrete, but he might be the cheapest for the Warriors to go after. He will be a free agent this summer and it might take much to pry him away from the Bucks.

    Those would be my top 3 choices to play fill that roll for the Warriors.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Biedrins is supposed to fill the void in that area similar to the players I mentioned, but he's simply not ready to be the every day starter for the Warriors. Also what happens when he goes to the bench? The Warriors don't have anyone to turn to off the bench to give them athleticism or interior defense in the frontcourt.</div>
    Well, bench is important, but we have Adonal Foyle and he's not going anywhere unless somebody is insane enough or desperate to make a trade that actually includes him. He's paid the salary of a starter for at least 4 more guaranteed years after this year is over. That's why taking on more payroll for an expensive center will be such an impossibility when we have to think about clearing payroll to re-sign Biedrins when his time comes. I doubt any decent big man would take such a small salary that would be offered with Foyle acting as so much dead weight. I mean he gets paid 8 to 10 mil a year and the dropoff in his skill level might already be happening right before our eyes. He's cleary not the same player he was when Dampier was still here before the injury.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting oaktank88:</div><div class="quote_post">what about Jamaal Magloire??? he might be happy leaving NO and joining his ex teammate Baron</div>
    After we got Baron Davis for virtually nothing, I'm willing to believe we can land any player.
     
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    I wouldn't mind this:

    Foyle ($7.3m) + $5 mill trade exception + 2005 1st Round Pick + a guy like Cabarkapa/White ($2m) for PJ Brown ($8m) and Magloire ($7m)

    PG BDiddy/Fisher
    SG JRich/Pietrus
    SF Dunleavy/Cabarkapa (or) White (which ever stays)
    PF Murphy/Brown
    C Magloire/Biedrins

    Brown is signed for 2 more years for $16m and Magloire for 2 more years for $13.5m.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BDiddyJRich:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't mind this:

    Foyle ($7.3m) + $5 mill trade exception + 2005 1st Round Pick + a guy like Cabarkapa/White ($2m) for PJ Brown ($8m) and Magloire ($7m)

    PG BDiddy/Fisher
    SG JRich/Pietrus
    SF Dunleavy/Cabarkapa (or) White (which ever stays)
    PF Murphy/Brown
    C Magloire/Biedrins

    Brown is signed for 2 more years for $16m and Magloire for 2 more years for $13.5m.</div>
    I dunno... Isn't New Orleans looking for short contracts + draft picks? That Foyle contract is just so bad. Maybe LA wants it if we can take on Brian Grant and some other bad contract, but the Brian Grant contract might be short enough for the Foyle thing to not make any sense. It's like to get rid of Foyle we need to give up more or take on something even worse. Like imagine if Dallas didn't have Mbenga or that big Russian 7'5 dude as a backup, they might be willing to deal 7'6" Bradley, pair Foyle up with Dampier again, but Bradley's contract, although half the size of Foyle's, probably lasts as long and would you even want Shawn Bradley on your team? Uggg... Only benefit of having him is that you could probably add another 6 mil player on top of him, but I couldn't bear the thought of Shawn Bradley on our team. If I'm Dallas I want to deal that guy in the worst way, but I'm pretty much stuck with him and I already have Dampier, a 7'5 Russian guy + a Foyle-like player on the wings. I'm just trying to think of all the scenarios where a team would want Foyle for that long, that much and that contract length.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I dunno... Isn't New Orleans looking for short contracts + draft picks? That Foyle contract is just so bad.</div>I think New Orleans should jump at that deal. Among other things, it restores the unstoppable 1-2 punch of Speedy Claxton and Adonal Foyle.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GSWScruff:</div><div class="quote_post">I think New Orleans should jump at that deal. Among other things, it restores the unstoppable 1-2 punch of Speedy Claxton and Adonal Foyle.</div>
    Mullin: Hello, Alan, it's Chris again. I'm still wondering if you want "baby Shaq" for Jamal Magloire.

    Bristow: Baby Shaq? What!??

    Mullin: "He's got a great Carribbean/Jamaican sounding accent and he encourages young people to be involved with politics. Oh yeah, he also blocks shots and misses dunks badly enough to make Chris Andersen look like a freakin' dunk champ...um... so that hopefully increases the value of the other players in front of him... by making him look better by comparrison.

    Bristow: Um, if you're talking about Foyle for Magloire, you've been pitching me Foyle for three straight days, I don't think I'm interested in that offer. Big men are pretty hard to find and you've already taken advantage of my generosity with that Baron Davis for Speedy trade to cut cap space. Why would I take a bunch more on?

    Mullin: Wait, hang on. <sorry> I'm on the toilet. Anyhoo, I got a new idea that would send you "The Bald Adonis", I mean "Bald Adonal" for Canadian bacon over there and we'll even give you a draft pick too. Foyle would be perfect for team chemistry since Speedy isn't very good at drop off passes once he drives towards the hoop. And since Adonal can't catch, you avoid the problem completely! Also more chances to land two big players in this very deep draft. You might get Chris Paul and Bogut!

    Bristow: That's great, but you're not getting Magloire for Foyle. <hangs up>

    Mullin: Damn, almost had him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Mullin: Hello, Alan, it's Chris again. I'm still wondering if you want "baby Shaq" for Jamal Magloire.

    Bristow: Baby Shaq? What!??

    Mullin: "He's got a great Carribbean/Jamaican sounding accent and he encourages young people to be involved with politics. Oh yeah, he also blocks shots and misses dunks badly enough to make Chris Andersen look like a freakin' dunk champ...um... so that hopefully increases the value of the other players in front of him... by making him look better by comparrison.

    Bristow: Um, if you're talking about Foyle for Magloire, you've been pitching me Foyle for three straight days, I don't think I'm interested in that offer. Big men are pretty hard to find and you've already taken advantage of my generosity with that Baron Davis for Speedy trade to cut cap space. Why would I take a bunch more on?

    Mullin: Wait, hang on. <sorry> I'm on the toilet. Anyhoo, I got a new idea that would send you "The Bald Adonis", I mean "Bald Adonal" for Canadian bacon over there and we'll even give you a draft pick too. Foyle would be perfect for team chemistry since Speedy isn't very good at drop off passes once he drives towards the hoop. And since Adonal can't catch, you avoid the problem completely! Also more chances to land two big players in this very deep draft. You might get Chris Paul and Bogut!

    Bristow: That's great, but you're not getting Magloire for Foyle. <hangs up>

    Mullin: Damn, almost had him.</div>


    That is hilarious [​IMG] You had a Barnett and Fitz thing about Dunleavy those are all classics.....
     
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    Tyson Chandler is still the big man I'd look to get,he's not a guy who is going to get superstar $,so signing him could be possible. A Center crew of Chandler,Foyle and Biedrens would be pretty mobile,and Chandler could also play some F. Best of all we would not be tempted to draft some unskilled project who might never be as good as Cabarkaba
     
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    I agree

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Who says Biedrens is not ready to start? How can we judge that when we have not even seen him play a full game? Just based off Monty's judgement?</div>

    Did anyone predict that Troy Murphy was gonna be a double double guy his second year in the league? I don't really want Biedrens to be the poor man's Darko (we can't afford a human victory cigar right now). I'm getting tired of seeing top draft rookies sitting. Maybe it's okay for second rounders (but then again, Gilbert Arenas), but man. I'm starting to believe, akin to David Stern, in an age limit or "minor leagues" like the CBA or NBDL. I even like that the Warriors don't have an injured reserve right now. It gives a reason to have bench players even show up at all.
     
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