Minnesota "Tea Party" sponsors fake "Jewish" holiday commemoration

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  1. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    See attached. I honestly thought it was from The Onion but I looked up the original newspaper and it is all too real. What's wrong? Let me count the ways...

    Blowing of Trumpets - The shofar is blown on Rosh Hashanah, not trumpets.

    11 AM to 7 PM - all Jewish holidays are sundown to sundown. The "eve" service of Rosh Hashanah is considered the most important.

    Ralph Engelstad - a Swede, Englestad is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia and has been photographed in Nazi uniform. He claims to own cars previously owned by leading Nazis. He was fined in Europe for holding birthday celebrations for Adolf Hitler.

    Arena - Many Jewish holidays are home-centered; the High Holy Days are an exception. They are celebrated in a synagogue, not a hockey arena. In an area where Jews are too few or too persecuted for a synagogue, the holiday could be celebrated in a home or other location, but hockey rink? A hockey rink owned by a Nazi sympathizer?

    Fasting - Rosh Hashanah is a celebration. Yom Kippur is the fast day.

    Praying for America, Israel, Tea Party - The period from Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur, known as High Holy Days or Days of Awe, is indeed a time for prayer. Most important, it is a time to ask forgiveness and make amends to those we have harmed in the past year. For example, slander is among the most grievous sins. Some rabbis consider it more egregious than even murder. Making up lies in order to revoke gay civil rights, using a doctored video to destroy an African-American woman's career with a false accusation of racism, saying the president is just like Hitler are examples of slander that would require atonement. Only after a person has received forgiveness from those he/she harmed can he/she ask G-d's forgiveness, as well as seeking forgiveness for sins against G-d, such as eating cheeseburgers or traveling to a Glenn Beck rally on Shabbat. This is a time for reflection, introspection, humility and conciliation, not exactly trademarks of the "Tea Party". But to pray for a given country would be out of place, for a political movement flat out ridiculous.

    Ten Commandments - Jews don't use this expression, as there are over 600 Commandments (mitzvot) in Torah, all of which are required to be followed. And if they are not read in Hebrew from Torah, they are Christian commandments, not Jewish.

    First Amendment - A rabbi might reference a secular document during a sermon to illustrate a point, although unlikely during High Holy Days. But secular documents are not read during the actual service. The First Amendment, of course, contradicts those who claim the U.S. was intended to be based on religion generally or Christianity in particular, and of course applies to Muslims.

    Washington quote - Almost certainly a fake. Although similar quotes are cited by people like O'Reilly and others to "prove" the U.S. was intended to be based on religion generally or Christianity in particular, actual historians have not found this or similar quotes in any known writings of speeches of Washington.

    God - Observant Jews don't spell this out; they say G-d.

    Psalm - quoted in English, not Hebrew.

    American flag - Absolutely appropriate on 4th of July. Secular national symbols are not used as part of Rosh Hashanah.

    Of course there are no blasphemy laws, fortunately, in this country. And First Amendment freedom of assembly applies even to the most repugnant, like the Fred Phelps cult picketing the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. So if anti-Semites want to hold a Tea Party rally in a facility owned by a Hitler admirer and call it "Rosh Hashanah" that is their unquestionable legal right.

    But any Jew, however conservative or non-observant also has the legal right to be revolted by this crap in our names.
     

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  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Sounds like a way to meet hot Jewish chicks to me.

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    Why can't Christians pray for Israel?

    I don't understand why you think this ad is aiming for a Jewish audience.

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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    You should have put the word "fake" in front of "Tea Party" instead of in front of "Jewish."

    Just sayin'.
     
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    That's okay, Tea baggers don't know much about their own religion either.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The ten commandments are part of Jewish religion.
     
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    Engelstad died in 2002, from lung cancer.
     
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    Engelstad may be dead but his history stands.

    Christians can pray for whomever and whatever they want, but it's not Rosh Hashanah. When someone adorns an ad with Jewish imagery (Star of David, reference to High Holy Days) they may not be "aiming" at Jewish audience; considering the ignorance they are surely not going to get one. But by comparison, let's say some liberal group on put out a poster claiming to be for a Good Friday commemoration, with Irish Catholic imagery, displayed total ignorance of the purpose and meaning of Good Friday, held it in an arena named for an Orangeman, and said pray for Democrats. Now do you get it?

    Denny, please read post on Commandments.

    Oi vey indeed.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm

    But what about the so-called "Ten Commandments," the words recorded in Exodus 20, the words that the Creator Himself wrote on the two stone tablets that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai (Ex. 31:18), which Moses smashed upon seeing the idolatry of the golden calf (Ex. 32:19)? In the Torah, these words are never referred to as the Ten Commandments. In the Torah, they are called Aseret ha-D'varim (Ex. 34:28, Deut. 4:13 and Deut. 10:4). In rabbinical texts, they are referred to as Aseret ha-Dibrot. The words d'varim and dibrot come from the Hebrew root Dalet-Beit-Reish, meaning word, speak or thing; thus, the phrase is accurately translated as the Ten Sayings, the Ten Statements, the Ten Declarations, the Ten Words or even the Ten Things, but not as the Ten Commandments, which would be Aseret ha-Mitzvot.

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