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    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/15/...o-shine-light-on-blazers-oden-decision/#cntnt

    I know, I know, just what everybody wanted to read; yet another Durant v. Oden article. What can I say it's a slow news day in September and this is Blazers related, so take it for what it's worth.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Its worth KP getting fired over
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Ba-zing!
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Yawn.

    Wake me up when OKCity has won a championship. Actually, I'll already be awake because we'll have won first.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Only two things will stop this kind of drivel:

    1. Greg shows up, stays healthy and helps the Blazers win a bunch of titles; or

    2. The fates are unkind to Durant and he has his own health issues that limit his career.

    In the first instance, even if it's true that Durant is the better overall player, it could be said that Oden is the more significant piece in winning a title. In the second instance, and I certainly hope it doesn't happen, it would be shown that not all of the crap that happens in the NBA happens to the Trail Blazers.

    Absent one of those events, he's right, and no matter how correct the decision seemed at the time, picking Greg goes down with Bowie over Jordan in the lore of NBA draft pick history.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    If Greg can stay healthy and develop into a 7-foot Ben Wallace, Kevin Durant will be a distant thought.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    I don't really think it's drivel. It was actually a fair assessment of the 2007 draft, IMO. The writer did not dog Oden, but he also pointed out how Durant, at age 21, led Team USA to a world championship, while Greg has struggled both off the court with injury and on the court with foul trouble (he insinuated the latter). Oden vs. Durant is always going to be a part of the Blazer story, whether we as fans want to accept it or not, and whether Oden wins multiple titles and MVPs or not.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    everyone knew Durant would be this good. I don't know why everyone is acting so shocked about it. He was the college player of the year and MVP of the McDonalds all american game....Oden, however, was injured but took his team to the national championship game.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    There's no debate between KD and Oden, it's not a close comparison.

    However, the OKC/Portland debate bugs me.

    Thunder: 50-32 -- They didn't have a single injury to their key core players.

    Blazers: 50-32 -- Injuries, need I say more?
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    IMO, this whole discussion is in the drivel category because it was known at the time of the draft that Durant's game was NBA-ready while Oden was more of a project. Until Greg has a chance to play and mature as a player, nobody knows what his ceiling is. Speculation at this point in time with incomplete data is just that...speculation; aka drivel.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    4 Durant-Oden threads ago (it was about the day before yesterday), I made fun of the threads for being semiweekly. Little did I know that they'd be daily this week.

    I am unsurprised at how well Durant turned out. It was well-known that he wasn't an average 2nd pick in the draft--that like Oden, he had superstar written all over him.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    That's not frustrating at all. What's annoying is the constant barrage of "Give it up, guys, this one's over" articles/commentary, when the players are age 22. It's not rational or informed, it's just a desire to push a narrative.

    And if their career trajectories do change, none of these writers will say, "As usual, I rushed to judgment and lthe price I pay is to look hasty and ignorant." It's easy to be extreme and conclusive when you don't accept any accountability down the line for what you said in the past.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    While I hate to even add to such a repetitive, worthless thread. How can anyone have any credibility when he hasn't even done any homework. He directly states that Oden has played 5 minutes per year, which is well over 100-times off from his real numbers. And to make it even worse, he obviously hasn't done any research of Per36 or defensive analytics when he's stating obvious trash that that even with both are on the floor "their respective contributions are too wide a gap". Are you kidding me? Are you telling me there is a wide gap between a healthy Durant playing 82 games for 35 mpg at his current offensive level (with middle-of-the-road defense, poor passing skills, and no killer instinct to win big games) over a healthy Greg Oden for 82 games and 35 mpg with his dominating defensive level that lowers opponents scoring over 4 ppg just by his imposing presence alone in the paint (let alone his statline for playing healthy Durant 35 mpg minutes of 15/15/3). That is almost worthy of banning that blogger if I were running that site.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Use paragraphs. Your hard to read.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    We need to save these all somewhere so when we win a ring with Oden we can rub these trash pieces into the glorified blogger's faces.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    See my post at http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/9/12/1684146/greg-odens-on-court-performance.

    It analyzes advanced statistics, which indicate that when he has been on the court, he has been one of the two best players to enter the league this decade, that he compares favorably to the greatest centers of the last thirty years, and that he compares favorably to the greatest rebounders of all time. This indicates that if he can be relatively injury-free, and get his fouling under control, he just might be that once in a generation center he was hyped to be.

    The following summarizes Oden’s performance on the court to date:

    * Greg Oden is one of the two best players to come into the NBA in the last ten years according to comprehensive advanced statistics. (Hint: the other is LeBron).
    * Greg Oden’s second year advanced stats compare favorably with those of the all-time great centers of the last thirty years: Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem (and Dwight Howard).
    * Greg Oden's rookie year rebounding compares well with the rookie years of some of the greatest rebounders of all time.
    * Greg Oden was a top five big man – or better – when he was on the court last year.
    * Greg Oden’s 2009-2010 advanced statistics compare well with those of three-time NBA all-star, two-time NBA defensive player of the year, three-time all-NBA team member Dwight Howard.
    * Greg Oden was ranked higher in more advanced statistical categories last year than NBA scoring leader Kevin Durant, the 1st team all-NBA team player the Trail Blazers could have taken instead.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    And unfortunately all of that won't mean a damn thing if he can't stay healthy enough to actually -- you know -- be a productive player.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Classic post, though.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Thank goodness we have these new, daily threads on Oden...otherwise you'd never have had a chance to express that position. ;)

    Imagine if we just waited til we have some new information, like a new season, and then revisited the topic. Crazy, but it could work.
     
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    Re: Matt Moor at NBA Fanhouse: "Kevin Durant's Star Continues to Shine Light on Blaze

    Fuck you Matt Moor. And the horse that rode in on ya.
     
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