Drone kills 2 US citizens.

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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  4. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I know, I intentionally posted a misleading title.

    What is surprising to me is have you ever read your passport and how you can lose your citizenship? Seems like those freaks should have been kicked out of Club USA long ago.
     
  5. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    I am a citizen of the world who needs not ask permission to travel freely.
     
  6. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Try to get off a plane in any other country in the world without a passport or nexus card. I'm interested to see if there's one in which you won't be immediately arrested, "Citizen of the World."

    Seriously, when was the last time you left the US?
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Great news. It's about time we killed that POS.
     
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    The problem here is this is a state-sponsored murder of a US Citizen who has never been charged with any crime at all. Everyone (from the President to the guy flying the drone) involved in this illegal assassination needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of US Law, or our government has indeed already been overthrown by subversive powers.

    This is no different than if Obama had you or I killed because someone posted here that we hated America.

    http://news.yahoo.com/awlaqi-killing-reignites-us-debate-rights-152720230.html

    Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer and commentator, said there had been no effort to indict Awlaqi on any crimes and that there was "substantial doubt" about his involvement in any attacks against the US.

    "He was simply ordered killed by the president: his judge, jury and executioner," Greenwald wrote on Salon.com.

    "What's most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the US government's new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process," he added.

    Last year, civil liberties groups filed a lawsuit on behalf of the cleric's father, Nasser al-Awlaqi, saying it was unconstitutional for the CIA to order the death of an American citizen without due process.

    A judge dismissed the case without ruling on the merit of the suit, but said it raises serious constitutional issues.

    "Can (the president) order the assassination of a US citizen without first affording him any form of judicial process whatsoever, based on the mere assertion that he is a dangerous member of a terrorist organization?" US District Judge John Bates wrote in December.

    Pardiss Kebriaei, an attorney at the the Center Constitutional Rights who worked on the lawsuit, said that if Awlaqi were indeed killed by US forces or with their help, it would be illegal.

    "If it was in the absence of imminent threat of deadly harm, this was an illegal killing under the US constitution and international law," she told AFP.
     
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    It would be better if they would have stripped them of their citizenship first.
     
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    Or maybe gather evidence of guilt and prosecute them?

    I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work unless our government has been overthrown.
     
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    Just like Bogey in Casablanca?
     
  12. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Oh well. Too late now, huh.
     
  13. BrianFromWA

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    Leaning a bit toward maris' opinion on this. Let me try to find out more
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Latest news. Tonight Obama issued a death list for American citizens within American borders. The head attorneys for CIA and DOD say it's logical that since he recently won the power to be judge and jury over Americans outside the U.S., why wouldn't he have the same power inside the U.S.

    Looking over the list, I see screen names I recognize. Well, it was nice to have known you Republicans who back unlimited presidential war powers.
     
  15. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Reminds me of Nixon.
     
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    This is where I disagree with neoconservatives. I believe in due process or at least requiring the authority of congress to declare someone a combatant.

    If you want to make the case he is a combatant, then ok. But there needs to be a legal system that ascertains that. There needs to be checks and balances on the President.
     
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    me too. I much prefer observing our system of laws in the constitution rather then the government deciding to be judge jury and executioner on who they deem as "bad". Capture the bad US citizen and put them on trial in front of a jury of their peers.

    STOMP
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Maris is right for once. What's this world coming to?
     
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    The government calls Timothy McVeigh a terrorist. (Me, I think the word is undefinable propaganda.) Why didn't the government just kill him with a bomb instead of going through a kangaroo court before they killed him?

    Could a president order that? Once Bush started the slippery slope course we're on, it's just a matter of time, like a generation, until these new overseas rules become domestic rules for inside our borders.
     
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    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    State-sponsored assassination is nothing new but this is even more blatant than usual.
     

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