Has anyone else notice?

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Actually we can. Faried is locked in on a rookie scale contract that pays him around 1.1 million a year. Hicksons 4 million is a bargain, but it's also what it would cost to pay Faried for FOUR years, not to mention the guys is going to get paid very handsomely this off season.

Exactly my point. Faried's contract this summer will be past that 3 year. I suspect he will get some sort of increase no? I would suspect it would be in the 9-10 mil per.

[Natebishop3]

Faried is a power forward. He is playing power forward. Koufos is starting at center for them, and McGee is coming off the bench.

How would Faried like being a bench player for us? If he was starting at center, we might be having the same complaints about him that we have about Hickson. In fact, I think Hickson is a better scorer.

[3RA1N1AC]

Fairied is a terrible defender

[KeepOnRollin]

Faried is slightly undersized for a PF. No way he could make it at Center.

[magnifier661]

Faried is a power forward. He is playing power forward. Koufos is starting at center for them, and McGee is coming off the bench.

How would Faried like being a bench player for us? If he was starting at center, we might be having the same complaints about him that we have about Hickson. In fact, I think Hickson is a better scorer.

I think if we didn't have Hickson and had Faried; he would start at PF and Aldridge would be the center. Don't know how it would improve our defense though.

[Natebishop3]

I think if we didn't have Hickson and had Faried; he would start at PF and Aldridge would be the center. Don't know how it would improve our defense though.

But it's the same problem that we are currently facing. Aldridge doesn't want to play center.

Funny thing, look at how Faried and Hickson stack up againts each other this season head to head.

December 20th
Faried - 6 points 3-10 shooting, 8 boards
Hickson - 18 points 7-16 shooting, 18 boards, 3 block shots

January 15th
Faried - 21 points 9-12 shooting, 11 boards, 2 steals, 1 block shots
Hickson - 19 points 7-8 shooting, 13 boards, 2 assists, 2 block shots

February 27th
Faried - 10 points 5-12 shooting, 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals
Hickson - 18 points 5-9 shooting, 14 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal

We've got one game to go against Denver this season. So far Faried is Hickson's bitch.

[magnifier661]

But it's the same problem that we are currently facing. Aldridge doesn't want to play center.

Funny thing, look at how Faried and Hickson stack up againts each other this season head to head.

December 20th
Faried - 6 points 3-10 shooting, 8 boards
Hickson - 18 points 7-16 shooting, 18 boards, 3 block shots

January 15th
Faried - 21 points 9-12 shooting, 11 boards, 2 steals, 1 block shots
Hickson - 19 points 7-8 shooting, 13 boards, 2 assists, 2 block shots

February 27th
Faried - 10 points 5-12 shooting, 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals
Hickson - 18 points 5-9 shooting, 14 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal

We've got one game to go against Denver this season. So far Faried is Hickson's bitch.

I hope you don't suspect that I am all goo goo over Faried. I actually 100% agree that Faried would give us the same, if not worse, problems defensively.

AND as much as Aldridge disagrees or doesn't want to; I think he makes a better Center than a PF. He is more efficient, defends other centers better and actually plays better when he's closer to the basket. I wish he would just man up and take the challenge. It may surprise everyone!

But, if we had an opportunity to get a Gortat, Hibbert, McGee, Gasol or Sanders; our team would fucking beast right now!

[Jayps15]

Exactly my point. Faried's contract this summer will be past that 3 year. I suspect he will get some sort of increase no? I would suspect it would be in the 9-10 mil per.

Nope, Faried still has 2 more years on his rookie contract, he'll make ~1.4mil next year and ~2.3mil the year after. So basically if we had Faried it would be like retaining Hickson this offseason for only 1.4mil instead of the 7 or so he'll probably make. More depth and more room left over for other pieces.

[B-Roy]

Exactly my point. Faried's contract this summer will be past that 3 year. I suspect he will get some sort of increase no? I would suspect it would be in the 9-10 mil per.

What are you talking about mags? Faried is locked in his rookie scale contract. Hickson is the one about to be paid 9-10 million a year.

[magnifier661]

Nope, Faried still has 2 more years on his rookie contract, he'll make ~1.4mil next year and ~2.3mil the year after. So basically if we had Faried it would be like retaining Hickson this offseason for only 1.4mil instead of the 7 or so he'll probably make. More depth and more room left over for other pieces.

His 2014 is the club option right? Doesn't that mean after next season; his new contract will cap hold the team?

[B-Roy]

His 2014 is the club option right? Doesn't that mean after next season; his new contract will cap hold the team?

Nope, Faried was drafted last year. Rookie scale contracts are for 4 years. He's got two to go after this season. After that, he will become a restricted FA unless he signs an extension.

[magnifier661]

What are you talking about mags? Faried is locked in his rookie scale contract. Hickson is the one about to be paid 9-10 million a year.

I am confused I guess. I thought when a team resigns under the rookie contract; the cap hold is applied. I could be dead wrong. It's not like that hasn't happened before.

[B-Roy]

I am confused I guess. I thought when a team resigns under the rookie contract; the cap hold is applied. I could be dead wrong. It's not like that hasn't happened before.

I still don't understand what you're getting at. Faried can sign an extension at the end of next season, but it won't go into affect until two years later. Not sure why you're bringing cap hold into this, Hickson at 9-10 million takes up more cap than Faried's cap hold if he hits restricted free agency.

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I am confused I guess. I thought when a team resigns under the rookie contract; the cap hold is applied. I could be dead wrong. It's not like that hasn't happened before.

First two years are guaranteed. Then, before the 2nd season begins, you get the choice to exercise the option on season #3. If you do that, you have to choice to exercise the option on season #4 before season #3 begins (or some shit like that).

That's why Nolan (drafted right before Faried, as we all know) will be a FA this offseason. We did not exercise his option on season #3 before the 2nd season (this season) began. So he's a free agent, and can sign for as much (or as little) as he likes. Faried's options are still tied into his original 2-year rookie contract, based on his draft slot.

[KeepOnRollin]

I still don't understand what you're getting at. Faried can sign an extension at the end of next season, but it won't go into affect until two years later. Not sure why you're bringing cap hold into this, Hickson at 9-10 million takes up more cap than Faried's cap hold if he hits restricted free agency.

Hickson doesn't have a prayer or 9-10 Million. People were saying that a month to two ago and I have told people from the start that it is not true and just now people are coming to their senses and realizing he is getting 5.9 to 6.9 a year. Over MLE but not crazy money.

Edit: Just read this over and it sounds really condescending. Sorry, wasn't my intent.

[B-Roy]

Hickson doesn't have a prayer or 9-10 Million. People were saying that a month to two ago and I have told people from the start that it is not true and just now people are coming to their senses and realizing he is getting 5.9 to 6.9 a year. Over MLE but not crazy money.

Edit: Just read this over and it sounds really condescending. Sorry, wasn't my intent.

Do you really think so? We will see. A TON of teams will have money this offseason, and there's only one or two top tier free agents available. Would Hickson at 9-10 million be a massive mistake? Hell yes. Will some GM overpay him after exhausting other options? There's a good chance.

[KeepOnRollin]

Do you really think so? We will see. A TON of teams will have money this offseason, and there's only one or two top tier free agents available. Would Hickson at 9-10 million be a massive mistake? Hell yes. Will some GM overpay him after exhausting other options? There's a good chance.

If someone is looking for a friendly (no money needed) wager I will put the over-under at 8.1 MIL average per year if someone wants to take the over, I will take the under.

[B-Roy]

If someone is looking for a friendly (no money needed) wager I will put the over-under at 8.1 MIL average per year if someone wants to take the over, I will take the under.

Sure, I'll take the over.

[KeepOnRollin]

Sure, I'll take the over.

Sounds good. The loser will do like a picture change or new signature of the winners choice or something.

[magnifier661]

Do you really think so? We will see. A TON of teams will have money this offseason, and there's only one or two top tier free agents available. Would Hickson at 9-10 million be a massive mistake? Hell yes. Will some GM overpay him after exhausting other options? There's a good chance.

There are a lot of bigs coming out this summer. Even though there are "A ton of teams having cap space"; how many of them already have bigs?

Then you look at the bigs available, and notice at least 5 will be had before Hickson (Smith, Dalembert, Jefferson, Milsap, Pek) By the time these teams get them; there won't be much left for a Hickson type player, IMO

[Natebishop3]

I think we should be prepared for Hickson to make an All-Star team somewhere else. If he keeps putting up numbers like he is, he'll get one or two nods. If Zach can make a team, so can Hickson.

[magnifier661]

I think we should be prepared for Hickson to make an All-Star team somewhere else. If he keeps putting up numbers like he is, he'll get one or two nods. If Zach can make a team, so can Hickson.

That's actually a really good point. Zach has been and is still a bad defender.

[B-Roy]

Sounds good. The loser will do like a picture change or new signature of the winners choice or something.

Sounds good.

[B-Roy]

There are a lot of bigs coming out this summer. Even though there are "A ton of teams having cap space"; how many of them already have bigs?

Then you look at the bigs available, and notice at least 5 will be had before Hickson (Smith, Dalembert, Jefferson, Milsap, Pek) By the time these teams get them; there won't be much left for a Hickson type player, IMO

Dalembert isn't getting more than Hickson. No chance in hell.

[magnifier661]

Dalembert isn't getting more than Hickson. No chance in hell.

Okay, but he will be picked before Hickson, IMO.