Going into this year's draft about a week ago, we had the following 2nd rounders: We had the #39, 40, #45 pick we have no 2014 pick (already to DEN) We had ours and the worse of MIN and DEN's 2015 second We had ours and the NYK 2016 2nd (protected 31-37--if we didn't get it in 2016 we don't get one) we had our 2017 and 2018 We picked Withey at 39 (traded to NOP for Lopez), traded #40 for cash We traded HOU 2 for Robinson (and our pick at #45) We traded CLE 2 for Crabbe We've supposedly traded 2 for Lopez Assuming that we got the NYK 2016 (and it's not a lock) then our first available 2nd rounder is in 2019. If not, then 2020. However, we did just trade 2 of our picks for cash in the last two years (forehead slap). And, according the the "7 Year Rule", we have available to trade our 2019* and 2020 2nd rounders.
If the current youth movement remotely pans out, then we'll have no room for long-term projects, anyway.
This hasn't been updated since the draft a week ago. As of then we had 5 #2s coming in the next 3 drafts, 2014-16. After that, one each draft. http://prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Blazers.htm
Hmm. My site lists that pick twice, because it's a choice of 2 picks. I can understand the confusion because it was an embarrassing Kahn error, having us draft for them when they didn't have the pick to give us they said they had. This is the compensation. So that changes my "5 #2s" above to 4. Fixed: What is your source that says the 2016 Knicks pick is protected?
The 7-year rule says that we cannot have traded picks beyond 2018, right? 8 days ago, we had 6 #2s in 2014-2018 (including the protected Knicks pick). Olshey traded 5 of them (Robinson 2, Crabbe 2, Lopez 1). So we now have 1 second-round pick between now and 2019 (0 if we lose the Knicks pick, 1 it's one of the 5 we traded). I am one who doesn't consider top-half #2s worthless, especially with Olshey's selection skill. Also, they're useful to lubricate trades. He went on a 1-week spending spree of 5 #2s, and I hope the mortgage pays off. When Lenny Wilkens became Sonic GM from Bill Russell in 1977, he immediately spent all the draft picks Russell had squirelled away for a rainy day. With new players, the team suddenly won more games and Wilkens was praised as a better coach than Russell. He was just a big spender. Over the next 30 itinerant years, Wilkens would run each team into the ground after first-year success due to cashing in its chips, then move on to the next city.
It must be this. Yes, it's protected for the first 7 picks of the 2nd round. It's not likely the Knicks will be that bad next season, but who knows 3 years from now. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
The 7-year rule starts in the draft year you're in. So the 2014 draft will be "Year One" of the 7, and 2020's draft is year 7. So we can trade any picks up to and including 2020's draft, provided they meet other criteria. I had a post in another thread that basically said I think buying up picks between 25-35 is one of the most efficient and cost-productive ways of filling out a roster--whether you're a team like MIA or us.
I'm trying to recall the last 2nd round pick that was actually productive for our team. I guess you could argue that we could've had Faried easily, or that we had Asik and traded him. And of course Matthews could've been drafted quite easily with a 2nd rounder. But if you just consider our last, say, 15 second round players, how many of those players went on to be significant assets for our team? Seems like it's much, much more common that the pick itself is used to grease the skids on a trade. Which is exactly how Olshey has used them. He's leveraged a bunch of second rounders into one guy who was picked last year at #5, a veteran 7 foot center (who was once a #15 pick), and also the 31st pick (which means a second round salary paid to a near-first round player). I think the way we've blown through second rounders is definitely thread-worthy. I can't remember such a spending spree of second rounders ever happening before in such short span. But I'm totally ok with it. (Other than selling that #40).
Okay, so in the next 7 drafts, 2014-2020, we have 2 or 3 2nd-round picks, depending upon whether the Knicks are bottom 7 in 2016. As for mook's post, I see a big upgrade in selection quality under Olshey compared to Pritchard. So I suddenly value #2s more. The two he traded for Crabbe will definitely survive in the league. At only #31, Crabbe may have a worse career than one of them. Withey may become as good as Lopez. These are quality picks we're losing.
I don't think Withey will be in the league long. Look at the post I just made in the Withey thread to see why.
Dante Cunningham turned out well and helped net us (no pun intended) Lillard. But, he was also a much more polished prospect than Withey and was pretty high in the 2nd round. I really don't understand why people are fretting over giving up Withey for a legit starter. Withey is a long-shot to stick in the league, let alone be productive. In his case, "defensive-minded" just means the rest of his game is abysmal.
That's a good one. I forgot about him (picked at #33) and Pendergraph (#31). That they were such high second rounders kind of gets at Brian's point, though. Us leveraging two lower second round picks to get Crabbe at #31 looks even better. Maybe I should've phrased it "how many mid-to-late second rounders were worth anything"?
1080 is reporting that we're also receiving 2 future 2nd-round picks from the Kings in the Lopez deal. Alright--more picks to deal!!
Blazers second rounders since 2003 2003 - Nedzad Sinanovic 7-1 C Zenica Celik (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 1983 2004 - Ha Seung-Jin 7-3 300 C (S. Korea) 1985 2005 - Ricky Sanchez 6-11 190 SF FL HSSr. 2006 - Joel Freeland 6-11 225 PF England 1987 2007 - Josh McRoberts 6-10 240 PF Duke So. Derrick Byars 6-7 225 SG/SF Vand. Sr. Taurean Green 6-0 177 PG Florida Jr Demetris Nichols 6-7 205 SF Syracuse Sr. 2008 - Joey Dorsey 6-7 265 PF/C Memphis Sr. Omer Asik 7-0 220 PF/C Turkey 1986 2009 - Dante Cunningham 6-8 227 SF/PF Villanova Sr Jon Brockman 6-7 255 PF Washington Sr. Patrick Mills 6-0 175 PG St. Mary's So. 2010 - Armon Johnson 6-3 190 PG/SG Nevada Jr. 2011 - Jon Diebler 6-6 197 SG Ohio State Sr. 2012 - Will Barton 6-6 174 SG/SF Memphis So. How many of these guys would you want on your team?
I guess there are a few guys on there I could live with on my team. How many of them would I prefer to Robin Lopez? None, other than Asik.
