Was Lincoln the great man his memorial would suggest?

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  1. MarAzul

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    He was the only President to take this Nation into Civil War. I have always ask Why? And where did he get the authority? I see nothing in the Constitution giving the President or Congress for that matter, the right to object to States leaving the Union.
    Even if you can come up with plausible answers to these questions, was war the wise solution to the issues?

    The War cost about Nine billion dollars total and about 1.1 million lives. At that time the US was the first Nation to spend over1 billion dollars in a year.

    Was freeing the Slaves worth this cost? Assuming this was the root cause of the war, Geez the cost was high. There were a little over 3 million slaves at that time so Lincoln killed a person for every three slaves freed and spent $3000 for each slave freed. That is a preposterous price per slave
    when the average going price in 1860 was $450 at the market.

    What sort of advisors did Lincoln have? Why didn't anyone suggest just buying the slaves and setting them free??? We have done that with most of the commercial fishing fleets, without a fuss.
     
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    What the fuck Bro Montana....... You actually sit around and think of this type of shit? You obviously don't have a job or a woman in your life (moms doesn't count FAMS)........


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    Yeah, it's a burden.
     
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    Had the Southern plantation owners sold all their slaves, there would have been no labor, making their remaining assets (land and equipment) worthless. With the Southern economy dead and the only assets being inflating greenbacks in the bank, the owners would have followed their former slaves north, leaving the South a barren wasteland for the Indians to reoccupy.

    The owners would have refused Lincoln's offer to buy their slaves.

    It's like, if the Soviet Union had offered to buy up the South Vietnamese economy, would the CIA have acquiesced and not killed President Kennedy to install their own war president? Not when an ideology's at stake.
     
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    Probably the dumbest thread in the history of S2. Well done, OP!
     
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    Wow, a record in less than a month
     
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    Wise up. Just like you ridicule every Blazer trade idea. You see imagination as something to be stomped on whenever it rears its ugly head.

    Speculative history used to be confined to military academies, but video games have popularized thinking about alternative histories.
     
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    OK, Marge Schott.
     
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    Speaking of Marge, that reminds me I gotta get my beauty sleep now.
     
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    Mary lincoln was a hot piece of ass, she could free my loyal servant from the confines of its zipper doored slave quarters anytime
     
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    As I have said before, if only the North had let the South secede. International treaty pressure would have soon freed the slaves, and most would have already escaped to the North anyway. The U.S. would tody be as advanced as Europe--5-week guaranteed vacations, free health care, etc. The South would be as poor as Mexico.

    We would have 2 Mexicos to our south. We wouldn't have the right-wing politics, militarism, sexual naysayers, etc.
     
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    So you're saying Lincoln WAS the worst president
     
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    James Buchanan was the President who lead the country to civil war, Lincoln was the one who won the war.

    The civil war wasn’t fought to free slaves, that just happened to be one of the outcomes.
     
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    His signature top hat was worn to conceal a brain slug, hence the unreasonable subsidy appropriations that were stricken from the emancipation proclamation

    The cure, garlic shampoo, merely helped fortify the vampire hunter myth, which was clearly ridiculous
     
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    Buchanan had Constitutional authority for doing nothing. Lincoln had none for his actions including implementing a direct tax on incomes.
     
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    It is a close thing but yes, he set the low water mark.
     
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    This board gets better and better.
     
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    Lincoln obviously did have constitutional authority for doing his actions since he did them. Did the supreme court rule he violated the constitution? No, so he didn't. Doesn't matter what you or I or any other common folk wants to think since we don't interpret the law. Only judges interpret the law.
     
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    Yes, he was.
     
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