Biggest obstacle to Kevin Love trade: integrity

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  1. Bullsville

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ulls-haugh-spt-0725-20140725,0,3467252.column

    Smart business move or not, dealing Mirotic after earning his trust over three years would be contrary to everything Reinsdorf wants his organizations to represent and a departure from how the Bulls typically operate. It would be bold but borderline betrayal. It might lead to more victories but overall result in the loss of respect, and the Bulls traditionally care about both.

    It would be stunning if a Bulls organization headed by Reinsdorf considered breaking a commitment to Mirotic, a player who trusted them implicitly, within reason.
     
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    I just laughed so hard that some soda I was drinking came out of my nose.
     
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    Minny might be a really good deal for Mirotic. He will get to play a lot more than in Chicago. He's also being extremely well paid for a guy who's never played a game in the NBA.

    He didn't have much of a choice but to sign with the Bulls. He burned bridges with Real Madrid.
     
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    Apparently the Bulls told both Taj and Gasol that they'd be starting.

    I bet one of them doesn't.
     
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    Actually, Gibson himself said he was never promised a starting job.
     
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    Suuuuure.

    Sun Times quotes him.

    He was the starter up until we got Gasol. The plan was to get Melo, and he'd still be the starter.

    He's earning his $8M.
     
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    So Gibson - who was actually quoted with words from his own mouth - says something and it's not true.

    But a report from RealGM that doesn't quote Boozer must be true.

    Yeah, that makes sense...

    For the record, the Bulls did sign a superstar this month. Nobody doubts that Nikola Mirotic was definitely a superstar in Europe. Since we don't know for sure what the Bulls actually told Boozer - without him being quoted, it's all 100% hearsay - I'll just have to assume they didn't specify that they wouldn't amnesty him unless they can sign an NBA superstar.

    Of course, anyone else can feel free to assume whatever they want, since it's all just hearsay.
     
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    Superstar is MAX contract kind of player. Melo. Not Mirotic.

    You're reaching, sorry.

    The quotes from RealGM are quoting Gibson, who they talked to on the phone.

    I think he came out later because the Bulls hadn't talked to Boozer or decided they were going to amnesty him.

    You're right it's hearsay. Craig Sager said what Boozer told him, during a broadcast. Boozer and the Bulls didn't deny it.
     
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    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superstar

    su·per·star noun \ˈsü-pər-ˌstär\
    : an extremely famous and successful performer, athlete, etc.

    Full Definition of SUPERSTAR

    1
    : a star (as in sports or the movies) who is considered extremely talented, has great public appeal, and can usually command a high salary
    2
    : one that is very prominent or is a prime attraction

    Merriam-Webster seems to agree with me, because all of those definitions certainly describe Niko.

    If they meant "MAX salary player", they could have easily said "MAX salary player"?

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    There are plenty of MAX salary players who aren't superstars.

    LeBron didn't make the MAX the last 4 years.

    Mirotic is getting the 3rd highest salary for a rookie in NBA history. If you include the $600,000 the Bulls paid toward his buyout, he's #1.

    And he has over $2 million worth of performance bonuses in his contract, he can beat Wiggins and Bennett even if you don't include the buyout.

    He's pretty MAX for a rookie.
     
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    The Bulls didn't need to amnesty Boozer to sign Mirotic.

    You are falling all over yourself to defend management and it's a major fail.

    Sorry.

    They made assurances to both Boozer and Taj and went back on their word.

    They fail the integrity sniff test.
     
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    Here's a good question.

    Why should the Bulls make assurances to players?

    In effect, they're making an assurance when they sign a player: "we'll pay you $X to play for us." The expectation is the contract will be fulfilled, that the player will be on the team until the contract expires.
     
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    Good criticism of obvious B.S.
     
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    Sorry, can't support this one. Mirotic isn't a superstar as we would use it here. I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't work IMO.

    Dead nuts on target.
     
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    In general, I don't believe that the team should make assurances to players beyond the contract language, but this is really a different argument. One thing I feel strongly about is that, if they do choose to make verbal assurances, they should stand by them. I believe that this is what Bullsville was saying in the OP.
     
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    I think things change after they make any assurances.

    Kirk got traded to the Wizards. This is a guy they plastered his likeness on billboards all over town.

    They moved him for cap space to sign Boozer.
     
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    I would all but guarantee that the above market value contracts the Kirk has netted from the Bulls are based on the deep shame the organization felt over having to trade Hinrich.

    Has any organization other than the Bulls signed Kirk Hinrich to a professional basketball contract?
     
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    Of course circumstances change. As you well know, there are conditional assurances and unconditional assurances. You need to know what you're saying when you say it and stand behind what you say. Obviously, this is not a basketball thing, it's a life thing.

    And I have no idea what you're saying with the Hinrich thing unless you have knowledge that the Bulls assured him he wouldn't be traded.
     
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    Think for two seconds about what you're pimping.

    This organization has prided itself in its financial flexibility for years and you want me to buy into some schtick that they're willing to throw that all away for "assurances" sake?

    :crazy:
     
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    There is also integrity behind putting a championship level product on the floor for the fans and customers to enjoy and doing everything you can within reason to accomplish that.

    The Bulls should do that.

    (of course, there is also a fiduciary responsibility to maximize return to investors. we all know that's *really* important)
     
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