Why IS now?

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  1. MarAzul

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    I suppose it is understandable that some if not many Muslims want a Caliphate. I guess the question is why are so many coming together now in an attempt to make this happen? Why is it necessary for them to declare war on Americans to get this done? Here in North America, both from the US and Canada, Muslims are gong to join the effort. Even worse, some are staying here and joining the effort in spirit of the Jihad, killing Americans in the name of
    the cause and Allah.


    I find it distressing to listen to our leadership, clamoring to fight this cause as is represented by IS in Syeria and Iraq. The distressing part is, I do not hear a word about finding the cause of this happening and correcting the issue at the source. All the discussions, at least in public are about Killing them in Syria and Irag, and whether we do it or we get someone else to do it. Holy mackerel! I expect our leaders to know that you can not win a "war" simply by killing the soldiers of a cause. Especially a cause staffed from the sons of a world wide population of potiential sympathizers. A stretegy created within these parameters will result in purpetual conflict without the possibility of resolution.

    We are not ready to send the military to fight this conflict, whether it be in airplanes or boots in the desert. We need to identify the cause of this phenomenon and then identify the targets for elimination while at the same time causing maximum fear to those that might relize who could be next.

    Obama seems to simple want to uphold his promise of no troops on the ground and seems quite content to leave the issue to the next President.

    I have only heard one Politician suggest anything else, one Democrat, I do not remember his name, but he wants to find the reason for the discontent and fix the source of the discontent in the world that is causing them to declare war on the US or Americans. I totally reject that thought, but there is a source that can be eliminated and we need to know what it is.

    All those fighters in the desert of the mideast do not frighten me, the power to draw them there from all over does. Where is that power source? I am sure that declaring war on Americans is a large part of the recruitment strategy, but who is using the megaphone and paying the bills? When we have this answer we may be ready to go to war.
     
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  2. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I'm pretty sure this is happening because of the Arab Spring. There was a lot of turmoil and opportunity for arms to transfer hands.
     
  3. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow Resident OT Section Crank

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    It's hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure you're advocating two things:

    1. Invading Saudi Arabia in order to STOP a holy war against the US (lol)
    2. Treating American Muslims like we treated the American Japanese in WW2.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, or try to be more specific in the future.
     
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    Cryptkeeper Forum Bourgeoisie Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yeah...If we could stop grouping all Muslims together and labeling them.... that'd be great...
     
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  6. MarAzul

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    Which of your suggestions will end this jihad against America by multiple groups around world?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    We just need to give peace a chance
     
  8. MarAzul

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    Hoo hoo! Where is the hoo?
     
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    Neither.
     
  10. MarAzul

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    Then rather odd suggestions to put forward, hey?

    It seems to me, the Commander in chief must know before he takes us to war, how to win. What it will take to win and be able to describe what will constitute victory. If he can't do that with confidence, explain it to the American people with conviction, then we are not ready to wage war.

    I do not have the sense that any of this has happened. But here we are, people have declared war on us but who they are is unknown except they are not Islamic, next is unknown except we have a promise that our troop will not be committed. I hear no victory description!!

    I wonder what he has in mind to do when we start seeing American pilots having their heads cut off in videos? Will we be assured that we will not send American troops? Is this state of confusion, Obama's sense of victory?
     
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    TradeNurkicNow Resident OT Section Crank

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    I would ask you the same thing.

    Those are all good points. I don't think the answer is a full on invasion of anywhere or turning American Muslims into second class citizens.

    But if you have any other great ideas, go ahead and rant about them
     
  12. MarAzul

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    You sound really worried Hoo.
     
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    Nope, not really.
     
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    seems reasonable

    and there you have it
     
  15. MarAzul

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    Yeah, I don't really give a shit why someone feels the need to declare jihad on Americans, even less about why they feel justified to cut off their heads. There is only one solution to what ever bitch they have under those circumstances. About fifty some years ago, a few Marines and I took a hostage off the hands of some Muslims, pirates by trade I believe. They wanted to be paid money for the guy, they called him "Kaffir", their word for infidel I think. Anyway, no way we had the money they wanted so we paid them what the deserved. Things haven't changed much.
     
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    So you murdered them all? Sweet!
     
  17. MarAzul

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    Only their leader and it was him the precipitated the result. No one was charged with murder.
     
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    Interesting murder story.

    I'm going to go ahead and stop paying attention to your foreign policy musings now, unless you have more murder stories. Those are interesting.
     
  19. MarAzul

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    If you were the kaffir it wouldn't be a murder story, heh? Perhaps leaving you to the kaffir status would be preferable but, I doubt the head pirate would have cooperated.
     
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    I've met a few head pirates in my day, heck back in the old times I used to visit one under the burnside bridge behind the montage
     

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