If the Bulls could cut Derrick Rose, no strings attached, should they?

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If the Bulls could cut Rose no strings attached this off-season, should they?

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  3. I can't decide!!! ARRGHGHGHGHH!!!!

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  1. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Let's say we lived in a world of the non-guaranteed contract and the Bulls could cut Rose no strings attached.

    Should they, say, this off-season?

    What exactly are the Bulls paying for at this point? A hope and a prayer?
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    No.

    If anything, they should explore a trade.

    From Thibs' comments the past few days and especially after the game, it looks like the relationship between player and coach is done.

    "He's got to get out there and play" to "I decided to go in a different direction." And Rose didn't sit on the bench with the team after taking himself out of the game.

    It seems like his legs hurt all the time and he really doesn't want to push it and the workouts and training isn't making it better for him.

    A change of scenery or some come to jesus moment might turn things around.
     
  3. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Rose for Goran Dragic and IT III, done deal?
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    K4E, your initial question is a good one - if you could cut Rose for cap space, would you do it? The trade scenario is an entirely different question (everyone's expendable for the right trade) and probably deserves its own thread.

    No, I'm not at the dump Rose for space point yet. Part of my reason for feeling this way is that not all of Rose's $20.1mil 2015-16 salary would be available for FA shopping assuming Butler's going to break the bank this offseason. The other part of my hesitation is that he's still able to flash that specialness when his legs feel really good. Barring a Rose season-ending injury, I don't think I'll be able to seriously consider dumping him until I see how the playoffs work out.
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    The only way they get cap space is if another team signs him, right?
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    Yep. Checked the CBA FAQ. They may be able to stretch the cap hit, though, if no team does.

    My guess is that no team would claim him and his huge contract. Once he passes waivers, he can sign a puny contract with the team of his choice, leaving the chairman to pay the difference.
     
  8. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Yah, its not meant to be a very realistic question.

    Just, as a fan of the team, if they could get rid of Rose, free up the 20 million, and spend the 20 million on 20 million dollars worth of open market NBA player, would you support that?

    Its just really a way to gauge if people are that fed up with Rose.
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    The reality of the CBA is important, too.

    Plus paying $20M to a guy not on the roster would hurt the bottom line.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    FWIW, our best hope may be to tough it out and hope Rose can feel good enough to play come playoffs. He's been pretty good when he has played, he just hasn't been able to play a lot.

    In the meantime, plan B of Heinrich as our starting PG was poorly thought out. Given Rose's history, management should have a guy on the roster who can step in and play PG at both ends and put up a modest PER near 15.
     
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    If we could cut him and spend the 20 million on new players then yes I'd do it without hesitation.

    Under the current CBA though if we cut him we'd be able to replace him a Ramon Session/Jodie Meeks type......probably not worth it. You'll have better odds hoping Rose gets healthy (slim as that may be).

    FWIW, I have the Lakers on League Pass and it's amazing to think about the differences between Old Man Kobe and Rose and how they've come back from their injuries.

    I really wonder if Rose has some sort of athletic PTSD.
     
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    This isn't easy. I voted "I can't decide!!! ARRGHGHGHGHH!!!!"

    I see this question as a simple Yes or No decision.

    Answer isn't so simple.

    Yes: I can see the scope of possibilities with a healthy Rose. If this rests and sitting after 10 games are really only precautions then Yes.

    No: If I expect Rose do play under 50 percent of the games on regular base then No.
     
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    No way. Give the guy some time time to reacclimate himself to playing NBA basketball. He's been out of action for over 2 years. Setbacks were to be expected.
     
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    No. Cutting is one thing, trading him is another. He is averaging 18 a game when he plays. Who else out there, not signed can we sign that give us the same production.

    No way.
     
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    Rose was out 2 years and has been more miss than hit this season and seems spooked and somewhat fragile. Still I am not ready to punt yet. Deng sure seemed a while like was never going to be healthy but he did and got to be solid and the fans boo-hoo'd like crazy when he got moved.

    I think Rose may still get back in form and I'd rather it be for us EVEN if he MIGHT never be MVP again.

    I am concerned though.
     
  16. Denny Crane

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    The Bulls haven't been able to use $20M kind of money to lure anyone but Carlos Boozer and Ben Wallace as FAs. Given the track record, how could they spend the $20M that would replace Rose? And I do mean replace him, because our chances are very much tied to him playing well in the playoffs.

    I'm not in any panic mood at all. If he won't play for Thibs, then maybe we should trade him.
     
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    I feel like this is a pretty easy question. With Rose the Bulls have a fractional chance at a championship. Without him they don't. There's no reason to make it any more complicated.
     
  18. kukoc4ever

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    $20 million is a lot of cheddar, especially in a league with a salary cap.

    The market for premier NBA talent is so strong that a player that just gives you the chance at that level of production is perhaps worth that much.

    Crazy. This team is held hostage by Rose and whatever the heck is going on. Its just getting old.
     
  19. Denny Crane

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    What are the Bulls going to do with $20M in cap space?

    4 guys of the CJ Watson, Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver variety.
     
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    Gordon Dragic, Heyward type. Pair them with Butler. At least they play! Add on an IT III off the bench.

    Its just crazy paying someone that amount of money and having it take up so much of your Cap Space for basically 0 production.

    It has to be, to this point, one of the worst contracts in professional sports history.
     

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