Best post defender in the league?

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    I think it really comes down to:Tim DuncanRasheed WallaceKevin GarnettWhat do you guys think?
     
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    Rasheed Wallace has lost a few steps defensively. Kevin Garnett is not up there with Tim Duncan defensively either. I'd have to say-Emeka Okafer-Ben Wallace-Tim Duncan-Marcus Cambyetc. in no order
     
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    Camby's not a particularly great post defender. He's a great weakside help defender. Usually, he gets his blocks on someone else's man.To me, in this order:1. Tim Duncan2. Rasheed Wallace3. Ben Wallace4. Kurt Thomas5. Emeka Okafor
     
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    Marcus Camby isn't a great defender, he just gets alot of blocked shots. I feel the need to mention Kwame Brown in this thread. He's not the best post defender. That honor goes to Tim Duncan, but Brown is one of the best in the league. Thats one area of his game that he actually excells in.
     
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    Rasheed Wallace has always been a good one on one, man to man defender, but he has never been a good help defender. He doesn't block shots, and he doesn't really alter many shots, but he is as solid of a man to man low post defender as they have in the league. So I don't put him at the top of the list because of that.Then you have Camby who is a great block machine, and a very good shot alterer, but his man to man defense is not as great as people make it out to be. So I don't put him very high on the list, because of that.For my list I have my top five in order being: Tim DuncanEmeka OkaforJermaine O'nealBen Wallaceand then I have Rasheed Wallace/Camby they are about tied in my book.Duncan, Okafor, O'neal and Ben Wallace are my top four however as they are good at both shot blocking and altering which has more effect on a total team defense. While they are all good at man to man defense also. They are not just limiting to doing one well as a defensive player in the post and having a drop off in the other area's like Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Let Em Hear This @ Jul 1 2007, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Camby's not a particularly great post defender. He's a great weakside help defender. Usually, he gets his blocks on someone else's man.To me, in this order:1. Tim Duncan2. Rasheed Wallace3. Ben Wallace4. Kurt Thomas5. Emeka Okafor</div>You pretty much just described Ben Wallace right there, he isn't that great of a post defender, he got dismantled by Shaq in the playoffs every year, but he is a great weakside defender, and gets blocks on somebody else's man, also how the F*ck is Rasheed Wallace 2nd? He is a great defender, but post defender? Could he stop Shaq, Yao, Stoudemire, or Dwight Howard? The only reason you could say that is because the PF position is the weakest in the NBA.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jul 1 2007, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Camby isn't a great defender, he just gets alot of blocked shots. I feel the need to mention Kwame Brown in this thread. He's not the best post defender. That honor goes to Tim Duncan, but Brown is one of the best in the league. Thats one area of his game that he actually excells in.</div>Same with Kirilenko, same with Mutombo, does that mean they arent great defenders because they can only block shots? Not really, also Tim Duncan's post defense is overrated, the guy has been owned by Amare so many times its not even funny anymore, Shaq, Yao Ming, Dwight Howard always have goood games against them, and not to mention Al Jefferson even killed the Spurs once. Tim Duncan has decent defense.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (YugoRocketsFan @ Jul 1 2007, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You pretty much just described Ben Wallace right there, he isn't that great of a post defender, he got dismantled by Shaq in the playoffs every year, but he is a great weakside defender, and gets blocks on somebody else's man, also how the F*ck is Rasheed Wallace 2nd? He is a great defender, but post defender? Could he stop Shaq, Yao, Stoudemire, or Dwight Howard? The only reason you could say that is because the PF position is the weakest in the NBA.</div>First off Ben Wallace has done a solid job against shaq his entire career. As well of a job as you can do on shaq. His defense was a big part of the Pistons championship OVER shaqs led lakers with kobe bryant and gary payton. Also this past season Ben helped to make shaq a very small threat and was a big difference maker from last season where we just couldnt beat the heat.second, PF is not the weakest position in the NBA.Dwight HowardTim DuncanKevin GarnettJermaine O'nealChris BoshCarlos BoozerEmeka OkaferZach RandolphElton BrandAl JeffersonAl Harringtonetc.a strong group of guys^
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (YugoRocketsFan @ Jul 1 2007, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only reason you could say that is because the PF position is the weakest in the NBA.</div>
    The center position is BY FAR the weakest position in the league, and the PF position is clearly one of the strongest.

    I'd say Tim Duncan is the best post defender in the league, without even thinking. He's one of the best of all-time. Okafor, Rasheed, Big Ben, etc. are excellent, but they are not on the same level as Duncan.
     
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    Where is Jermaine O'neal? You guys have lost your minds. Jermaine O'neal is a better defender than Rasheed Wallace, he's probably the 3rd or 4th best post defender in the league.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 1 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off Ben Wallace has done a solid job against shaq his entire career. As well of a job as you can do on shaq. His defense was a big part of the Pistons championship OVER shaqs led lakers with kobe bryant and gary payton. Also this past season Ben helped to make shaq a very small threat and was a big difference maker from last season where we just couldnt beat the heat.second, PF is not the weakest position in the NBA.Dwight HowardTim Duncan Kevin GarnettJermaine O'nealChris BoshCarlos BoozerEmeka OkaferZach RandolphElton BrandAl JeffersonAl Harringtonetc.a strong group of guys^</div>Ben Wallace never did a good job against, Shaq even last year in the playoffs with him in decline, he single handedly killed the Pistons 1 game by himself, Shaq pretty much had his way with him.And yes the position is weak.Dwight Howard is a CenterTim Duncan can play both positions, but is forced to play PF because the only other PF they have is Horry and Melvin Ely, and have some decent players are Center.Kevin Garnett is getting old and past his primeJermaine O'Neal is a center.Chris Bosh is a decent pickBoozer is a decent pick, but injury proneEmeka Okafor too, but injury proneZach Randolph, is also injury proneBrand is a decent pickAl Jefferson is a PF in a Center's bodyAl Harrington is really a SF, but played C for Golden State in the playoffsThe best centers areYao Ming (Best Center)Shaquille O'Neal (Still can lead a team)Dwight Howard ( Really a center)Jermaine O'Neal (Really a center)Ben Wallace (plays center, just doesn't score)Marcus Camby (DPOY, nuff said)Amare Stoudemire (Athletic Big man)Nenad Krstic ( A great future center, had promising numbers, but was injured for most of the year)Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Still can put up 20,10 sometimes)Greg Oden (Can add em now [​IMG] ) Pau Gasol (Yes, he is a CenterTyson Chandler (Athletic Big Man)Andris Biedrins (Killed the Mavs in the playoffs)Andrew Bogut (A future great player) Eddy Curry (Pretty good center)Mehmet Okur (Is a 7 foot jumpshooter.)People really do act like the center position isn't stacked, but it really is.
     
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    Malik Rose deserves a mention. Dude is undersized but has great fundamentals as a post defender.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jul 1 2007, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tim DuncanEmeka OkaforJermaine O'nealBen Wallace</div>That's exactly my top 4 as well. If I had to put them in order, it'd be, with the addition of Marcus Camby, like this:Ben WallaceTim DuncanJermaine O'NealMarcus CambyEmeka OkaforI still feel Ben Wallace is the best post defender in the league. Because of his agility, he will not get beat off the dribble by guys like Amare like Duncan will. He is also extremely strong, thus why he always guards Shaq extremely well. He is also one of the most intimidating presences in the league for guards trying to come into the paint. He has dropped off a bit in the past 2 seasons, but I am still comfortable with calling him the best post defender in the league.We know about TD.Jermaine is an awesome defender, and is very versatile much like Big Ben. But due to not being as strong as Ben, he cannot guard centers like Ben or Duncan can.Marcus Camby isn't the best man-to-man post defender in the league, but he is still an amazing shot blocker, and is long and athletic enough to bother athletic big men who will have trouble shooting over him and driving past him.Emeka has become one of the best shot blockers in the league, but his man-to-man defensive skills hasn't caught up with his help defensive skills.
     
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    Ben Wallace is a terrific post defender. But Shaq is just Shaq. You can only do so much against Shaq.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (YugoRocketsFan @ Jul 1 2007, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You pretty much just described Ben Wallace right there, he isn't that great of a post defender, he got dismantled by Shaq in the playoffs every year, but he is a great weakside defender, and gets blocks on somebody else's man, also how the F*ck is Rasheed Wallace 2nd? He is a great defender, but post defender? Could he stop Shaq, Yao, Stoudemire, or Dwight Howard? The only reason you could say that is because the PF position is the weakest in the NBA.</div>Shaq, Yao and Stoudemire are tough assignments that just about anyone in the league can't stop. You can't seriously be saying he is a bad defensive player, because some of the best players in the league at putting the ball in the basket are putting up good games against them can you? That's assinine to even say that, because once again, those three are going to score on everyone. Shaq has lit up even some of the best low post defensive players in history like Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwan before. He is going to do that. Yao has been able to drop points on pretty much everyone in the league due to his mid range shooting, and great footwork near the basket. Stoudemire is just a hard draw for anyone, because he is good off the dribble for a big man and can blow past most big men like that, meanwhile he is able to hit the mid range jump shot. He is as tough of a low post cover as anyone else in the league these days. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (YugoRocketsFan @ Jul 1 2007, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Same with Kirilenko, same with Mutombo, does that mean they arent great defenders because they can only block shots? Not really, also Tim Duncan's post defense is overrated, the guy has been owned by Amare so many times its not even funny anymore, Shaq, Yao Ming, Dwight Howard always have goood games against them, and not to mention Al Jefferson even killed the Spurs once. Tim Duncan has decent defense.</div>Dwight Howard dropped 30 on the Spurs one game, but what you didn't apparently pay attention to was that Dwight came back the next game and only put up 9 points and 9 rebounds, as the Magic lost 94-78. So Dwight Howard does not always have good games against Tim Duncan, Duncan put the clamps on him that game. Not to mention, Duncan is great at keeping Howard from getting offensive rebounds, which is another good part of his low post defense. Yao Ming in two games against the Spurs this year, did have an 8 of 15 shooting for 22 points night, which was good. However, against the Spurs the first game he had a 7 of 21 shooting for 20 points night, and the Rockets lost. So Yao Ming doesn't have good games against the Spurs every time they play. That is more false information you spit out about Tim Duncan.Shaq and Stoudemire has always given him problems, but that's just two people in the league that does, and lets be honost Stoudemire and Shaq gives everyone problems. It's just kind of retarded that you would even say that he is a bad defensive players because two of the best offensive playres in the league give him problems. They give everyone else problems to, where would you even get off saying something like that? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (YugoRocketsFan @ Jul 1 2007, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Wallace never did a good job against, Shaq even last year in the playoffs with him in decline, he single handedly killed the Pistons 1 game by himself, Shaq pretty much had his way with him.And yes the position is weak.Dwight Howard is a CenterTim Duncan can play both positions, but is forced to play PF because the only other PF they have is Horry and Melvin Ely, and have some decent players are Center.Kevin Garnett is getting old and past his primeJermaine O'Neal is a center.Chris Bosh is a decent pickBoozer is a decent pick, but injury proneEmeka Okafor too, but injury proneZach Randolph, is also injury proneBrand is a decent pickAl Jefferson is a PF in a Center's bodyAl Harrington is really a SF, but played C for Golden State in the playoffsThe best centers areYao Ming (Best Center)Shaquille O'Neal (Still can lead a team)Dwight Howard ( Really a center)Jermaine O'Neal (Really a center)Ben Wallace (plays center, just doesn't score)Marcus Camby (DPOY, nuff said)Amare Stoudemire (Athletic Big man)Nenad Krstic ( A great future center, had promising numbers, but was injured for most of the year)Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Still can put up 20,10 sometimes)Greg Oden (Can add em now [​IMG] ) Pau Gasol (Yes, he is a CenterTyson Chandler (Athletic Big Man)Andris Biedrins (Killed the Mavs in the playoffs)Andrew Bogut (A future great player) Eddy Curry (Pretty good center)Mehmet Okur (Is a 7 foot jumpshooter.)People really do act like the center position isn't stacked, but it really is.</div>First off, I want to touch on a bunch of the blatantly hypocritical information that you put into this. For example, you put up there that Duncan only plays power forward because of them having no good power forwards and decent centers. Pretty much saying that That is blatantly retarded, because then you put Jermaine O'neal and Dwight Howard as pure centers. Maybe if you went back and looked at it, you would realise that Dwight should be playing power forward, but because all the Magic have are power forwards, he plays center alot. Jermaine O'neal did playing power forward this season, however he played center alot because Al Harrington was there. Once Harrington was traded, and Murphy came in, O'neal went back to playing alot of power forward this year with Murphy, Foster and Harrison being counted as centers. So your completely wrong there. This is also the first year that Gasol had to play center like that, in the past he had always been a Power forward, and is a power forward. So if your going to go around implying that Duncan should be a center, then there are three that you picked that either are, or should be power forwards.As for other hypocritical idea's you posted, you discount Boozer, Okafor, and Randolph using the "their injury prone," excuse. Then put Shaq as number two, and make no mention of the fact that he gets injured every year and misses alot of playing time. Especially now that he is older and declining in play, combined with all of that weight that he has to carry up and down the court, he is always hurt. You can't use that to discredit the power forwards, and then not use it against Shaq, that's just being a hypocrite.Now lets look at the power forwards in the league and you can easily see that they are probably the strongest and best position in the league.Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Jermaine O'neal, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Emeka Okafor, Elton Brand, Al Jefferson, Zach Randolph, Rasheed Wallace.Those are some of the most talented players in the league, and take over games much better than your centers that you put up there. That is a much better group in comparison to a group that is really only highlighted by a few players:Shaq, Ming, Stoudemire, Howard, Wallace, and Marcus Camby. So only six players that match up with the group of 11 power forwards from above. The rest of the centers Eddy Curry is usually fat and over weight, he does rebound well, doesn't play defense, he is only a scorer. Tyson Chandler proved to be an offensive liability, as well as overrated defensively. He is mainly just a good rebounder with low basketball IQ. Ilgauskas is soft, terrible defensively, not a good rebounder, and inconsistent at absolute best. You never know what you are going to get from him when he gets out there, his low post game is not the best, and really he is just a solid mid range shooter for a big man.Bogut isn't a forceful personality, and really hasn't shown that he will take over yet. He is a mediocre rebounder, a mediocre low post scorer, a terrible defensive player. Minus passing, there is nothing that he is overly talented at.Biedrins did not kill the Mavericks, Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson did the main killing, as well as the small lineups that he used. Biedrins really didn't have a large outcome on that series. He is mediocre at best, mainly just a solid hustle and energy guy.These guys you picked to go against the power forwards, is completely ridiculous. How can you really expect them to match up with the Power forwards? To say that the Center position is strong, when it only has 6 good players at best is not smart at all. The Power forward position is easily better, and the power forward position throughout the league is taking over games much more.
     
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    Kwame brown was a f'n beast 2 seasons ago. I haven't seen a guy trouble elite bigs consistently like that man at that time, it was the only thing he did well.
     

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