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    Nice to see Joey Graham back in the first round, I would be livid if he slipped to 25 and we passed him up at this stage.

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    Default Marvin Money man Williams ##1 pick overall

    The Hawks draft him and Land ABig Center In FRee AGencey
    alos they Draft Stoudmare from ARiz to play point!

    PG Lue/STaoudimare
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    The wolves are gonna look into drafting a big man in the first round. They know the depth is there in the second round for a pg/sg/sf.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting duke42d:</div><div class="quote_post">The Hawks draft him and Land ABig Center In FRee AGencey
    alos they Draft Stoudmare from ARiz to play point!

    PG Lue/STaoudimare
    SG Childress
    SF/ Josh Smith
    PF/ Aringtion/Williams
    C Sixers Center</div>

    Stoudamire has had problems playing the point in Arizona because of his below average ball handleing skills and also the fact that he really doesn't want to play the point. He will come to the league as and undersized two guard and will probably have to do what Kyle Korver did his first year in Philly and that is just provide a three ball spark off the bench. Also if Dalembert is what you mean by Sixers Center then I don't think so because Philly will probably match nearly any offer given to Dalembert, I don't want to get into that though.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtKing:</div><div class="quote_post">Stoudamire has had problems playing the point in Arizona because of his below average ball handleing skills and also the fact that he really doesn't want to play the point. He will come to the league as and undersized two guard and will probably have to do what Kyle Korver did his first year in Philly and that is just provide a three ball spark off the bench. Also if Dalembert is what you mean by Sixers Center then I don't think so because Philly will probably match nearly any offer given to Dalembert, I don't want to get into that though.</div>

    Have you seen Stoudamire play. "Problems playing point?" "below average ball handling skills?" You didn't watch that many Arizona games. He was practically their backup point guard when Shakur wasn't in, and he was better. He can drive and dish like Nash, shoot better than Korver, Make free throws, and he can dribble. He's going to be a steal in this draft. I bet you in 5 years him and Ronny Turiaf are the biggest steals in the second round from this years draft.



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    As a Rockets fan, I'd rather see us take Simien or Frye before we take Morris...I think JVG will want an experienced player because its extremely likely that he'll be taking a 4 man with the pick, and therefore will want him to be able to contribute right away in some manner...I also would like to take Garcia if we somehow manage to acquire a solid 4 through trade or free agency, because with his length, range and ability, I think Garcia would be the prototypical swingman for the Rockets...
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Have you seen Stoudamire play. "Problems playing point?" "below average ball handling skills?" You didn't watch that many Arizona games. He was practically their backup point guard when Shakur wasn't in, and he was better. He can drive and dish like Nash, shoot better than Korver, Make free throws, and he can dribble. He's going to be a steal in this draft. I bet you in 5 years him and Ronny Turiaf are the biggest steals in the second round from this years draft.</div>

    If somebody can shot like Kyle Korver, and drive and dish like the NBA's MVP then let me say Salim Stoudamire should be a lottery pick. First of all he doesn't have the passing ability of Steve Nash, I don't think he has the passing ability of any point guard in the NBA and that is because he is not a point guard. He would have to be a project at the point becasue of his average ball handling skills and his below average passing skills for the NBA. What I am trying to say is that at 6'1" he is too short to be a shooting guard, yet not all the skills are there YET (he can develop them over his NBA career) to play point guard. Basically saying that he is a tweener. He is a great player, with a quick release on his shot and can shoot from anywhere on the court but being 6'1" will kill him.

    We are on the same page for Ronny Turiaf though, I believe he will be a steal in this years draft. I don't know myself why he is so low, if the scouts are saying the competition playing in the WCC, then how is Bogut the number one pick if his competition is just a little better. Some say it's Turiaf's offensive game yet he averaged 16 and dropped 40 on Idaho. Though Turiaf was rather inconsistant this past season but he still can score and crash the boards well. If anything I believe that he will be sort of like a poor man's Marcus Camby.
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    ur crazy tellin sum1 to pick vazquez over taft. vazquez has such a low ceiling that hes not gona get ne better then he is rite now, best case scenario hell avg 10 and 5 which isnt that great anyway. Taft on the other hand has a huge upside, he admitted he wasnt even tryin very had at pit n he still put up big numbers. if he improves his work ethic n conditioning hell be a great player n future all star. u cant give up all that potential for vazquez. The raps r pickin up taft in the draft n the rest of the league is goin to be bowin down to the taft bosh combo

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">ur crazy tellin sum1 to pick vazquez over taft. vazquez has such a low ceiling that hes not gona get ne better then he is rite now, best case scenario hell avg 10 and 5 which isnt that great anyway. Taft on the other hand has a huge upside, he admitted he wasnt even tryin very had at pit n he still put up big numbers. if he improves his work ethic n conditioning hell be a great player n future all star. u cant give up all that potential for vazquez. The raps r pickin up taft in the draft n the rest of the league is goin to be bowin down to the taft bosh combo</div>
    I’m sorry, I beg to differ. Why do you think so? While Vazquez’s upside has been questioned, you can never know for sure with hard workers such as him. He’s strong, athletic, mature and experienced. Taft has a horrible work ethic and wasn’t even a top ranked prospect in high school. He was putting up big numbers at Pittsburgh? Carmelo Anthony put up big numbers, Bosh put up pretty good numbers at Georgia Tech. The most you can say about Taft is that he put up promising numbers as a freshman. When he was a sophomore you’ve got to be kidding me. Since when is 13/7.5 big numbers? Perhaps you should read what Voodoo Child said: “Against Boone he recorded 7/3, against Francis he recorded 1/6, against Warrick he recorded 8/5, against Powell he recorded 12/6, against D.Jones he recorded 10/6, against Fraser he recorded 10/6, against C.Smith he recorded 12/8, and against the powerful St. Francis (PA), he recorded just 4/2. Are those the numbers of a top ten pick? To put it in perspective, Wayne Simien averaged about 23 points and 11 rebounds per game.” You could learn a lot.

    The bottom line is Taft has potential written on him solely because of his body and is a huge risk especially because of the way he’s been playing. Any team that selects him will have to take into consideration the risks that are involved with him. He is the big mystery in the draft.
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    I completely disagree with you here. I dont't think that vazquez upside is bad, i know it is. Several scouts that have seen him play keep saying that at best he is going to be a solid rotation player, which is fine unless u want to build a championship unlike the knicks. I agree that tafts work ethic is questionable, which is wut makes him such a great prospect. U look at what he did during his feshmen year (not bad number at all for a freshmen) without trying, imagine what he could have done giving it 100%. If i were a GM ide rather take a chance on a potential all star then be conservative and take a player with such a low celing. TAFT BOSH TAKEOVER NEXT YEAR. BOW DOWN

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">I completely disagree with you here. I dont't think that vazquez upside is bad, i know it is. Several scouts that have seen him play keep saying that at best he is going to be a solid rotation player, which is fine unless u want to build a championship unlike the knicks. I agree that tafts work ethic is questionable, which is wut makes him such a great prospect. U look at what he did during his feshmen year (not bad number at all for a freshmen) without trying, imagine what he could have done giving it 100%. If i were a GM ide rather take a chance on a potential all star then be conservative and take a player with such a low celing. TAFT BOSH TAKEOVER NEXT YEAR. BOW DOWN</div>
    According to what scouts saying he has absolutely no upside? While he probably won't be a superstar in the league, he can be a more than solid starter on most teams and as I said before when you have a strong work ethic such as Vazquez, anything can happen. Just want to know, if Vazquez is considered to be so bad, why is he a lottery pick?

    Please, stop overrating Taft like this because quite frankly you are making me sick. The only reason why Taft is considered to be this high of a pick is because of his body. I don’t know where he said “I wasn’t trying when I was a freshman.” My sources are probably not close to yours, so if you would provided me with a link perhaps I could believe you. 10 and 7 is promising, but not great. Kris Humphries put up great numbers as a freshman, Wade put up great numbers as a freshman. There’s a big difference if you haven’t noticed already.

    The difference between players like Vazquez and Taft are how hard they try. Vazquez always tries hard and according to you, Taft never tries hard. With Taft you are risking a player who puts up big contract year numbers, and after you overpay him you will be sorry. Vazquez will consistently try and a trying Fran will always be better than a lazy Chris Taft who doesn’t try.

    I can’t blame you too much. I too was blinded by the potential or what sources like NBADraft.net had to say, but until you step out of the box and realize that you are completely overrating Taft, I don’t know how to help you. The Raptors are better off with Felton a proven college player than with Chris Taft.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">I completely disagree with you here. I dont't think that vazquez upside is bad, i know it is. Several scouts that have seen him play keep saying that at best he is going to be a solid rotation player, which is fine unless u want to build a championship unlike the knicks. I agree that tafts work ethic is questionable, which is wut makes him such a great prospect. U look at what he did during his feshmen year (not bad number at all for a freshmen) without trying, imagine what he could have done giving it 100%. If i were a GM ide rather take a chance on a potential all star then be conservative and take a player with such a low celing. TAFT BOSH TAKEOVER NEXT YEAR. BOW DOWN</div>

    It really depends on a team's situation. The last thing the Knicks need is more scorers on their roster. The Knicks are a few pieces from making it to the playoffs, and a defensive big like Vazquez, ready to contribute now, is the route they should take. The Knicks best chance to win is in the next two years because they will finally have some flexibility with Penny and Tim Thomas expiring contracts. Right now the Knicks have a group of undersized PFs, so adding Vazquez finally gives them a tall player inside who's not afraid to bang and excels at defense.

    Chris Taft is going to be a project for any team who drafts him. If a team can afford to wait 3 or 4 seasons for him to MAYBE develop then they should go for it. However, the last thing a team like the Knicks need is a player not ready to play. He won't get a chance to develop in NY either, because he'll be behind Kurt Thomas, Malik Rose, Mike Sweetney, and Mo Taylor.

    Chris Taft is not going to get away with being lazy and having a poor work ethic in the NBA. Especially if he plays for New York, the media will crucify him and the Knicks for drafting a bust. Just look at what happened to a lot of physically gifted NBA players with no work ethic and no motivation. Shawn Kemp, Vin Baker, Jerome Moiso, Chris Wilcox, Melvin Ely, and Kwame Brown. The concern for all these players was their lack of intensity and work ethic.

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    Mr J, all i can say is that well see in 3 years whose better, taft or vazquez though i know taft is a future all star

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Mr J, all i can say is that well see in 3 years whose better, taft or vazquez though i know taft is a future all star</div>
    I guess we will. I think Shape put it perfectly when he mentioned the unmotivated big men.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">According to what scouts saying he has absolutely no upside? While he probably won't be a superstar in the league, he can be a more than solid starter on most teams and as I said before when you have a strong work ethic such as Vazquez, anything can happen. Just want to know, if Vazquez is considered to be so bad, why is he a lottery pick?

    Please, stop overrating Taft like this because quite frankly you are making me sick. The only reason why Taft is considered to be this high of a pick is because of his body. I don’t know where he said “I wasn’t trying when I was a freshman.” My sources are probably not close to yours, so if you would provided me with a link perhaps I could believe you. 10 and 7 is promising, but not great. Kris Humphries put up great numbers as a freshman, Wade put up great numbers as a freshman. There’s a big difference if you haven’t noticed already.

    The difference between players like Vazquez and Taft are how hard they try. Vazquez always tries hard and according to you, Taft never tries hard. With Taft you are risking a player who puts up big contract year numbers, and after you overpay him you will be sorry. Vazquez will consistently try and a trying Fran will always be better than a lazy Chris Taft who doesn’t try.

    I can’t blame you too much. I too was blinded by the potential or what sources like NBADraft.net had to say, but until you step out of the box and realize that you are completely overrating Taft, I don’t know how to help you. The Raptors are better off with Felton a proven college player than with Chris Taft.</div>

    I agree with you. Whatever that Taft lover is smoking sure is workin. If he doesn't try in college, why would the Raptors draft him? If my sources are right, I recall the Raptors traded Vince Carter because he didn't put out 100% every game. Taft was good but what did he do against The mid-major Pacific in the tourney. He suxed nuts in that game. He missed a couple lay-ups and easy shots that you got to make in the NBA. A lottery pick has to be a star or Major contributor in Collegiate teams. Then they got to have heart and try with a 100% every game. If i was a GM, I would allow Raptors to draft another but like Araujo agian. Then i would bow down and say thank you for take that bust off the board. LOL



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    There is absolutely no way that Joahn Petro falls to 28.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Mr J, all i can say is that well see in 3 years whose better, taft or vazquez though i know taft is a future all star</div>
    Taft a future all-star? I got to see Taft play many, many times at Pittsburgh and I've already said- I am the least bit impressed with Taft. His work ethnic is horrible and he gives up on a lot of plays. I actually think Chevon Troutman was the better forward this season. Troutman averaged more points(15) and more rebounds(8). Troutman was even smaller that Taft and still did a better job(6'7). But Troutman's size is what's going to hurt him, considering he's a PF and is 6'7.

    I just don't see what everyone see's in Taft. He never really got the job done in college, and I don't think he'll ever get the job done in the NBA. He's one of those guys that needs to stay in college all 4 years and improve on many weaknesses such as proving that he's not a lazy player.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Taft a future all-star? I got to see Taft play many, many times at Pittsburgh and I've already said- I am the least bit impressed with Taft. His work ethnic is horrible and he gives up on a lot of plays. I actually think Chevon Troutman was the better forward this season. Troutman averaged more points(15) and more rebounds(8). Troutman was even smaller that Taft and still did a better job(6'7). But Troutman's size is what's going to hurt him, considering he's a PF and is 6'7.

    I just don't see what everyone see's in Taft. He never really got the job done in college, and I don't think he'll ever get the job done in the NBA. He's one of those guys that needs to stay in college all 4 years and improve on many weaknesses such as proving that he's not a lazy player.</div>

    I agree, I watch the game against Pacific and he should have dominated the whole game, instead of the last 8 minutes. Thats why they were behind, because of him not playing good. He should stay in college for 4 years, and get better like Channing Frye. He was no where as good in his freshman year as he is now. I think if Taft stayed in college with the good coach Pitt has, he could be a for sure lottery pick in a couple of years.



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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">There is absolutely no way that Joahn Petro falls to 28.</div>

    You always have that one guy that drops late into the first or early into the second. Jameer Nelson was it last year and Maciej Lampe was it in 2003, both reguarded as lottery picks. Petro has the formula to to it this year, he is a big prospect with great shotblocking ability and can run the floor. But the team that picks him will have to take a lot of work to develop this kid to his full potential. At 28, the Spurs can wait to develop him which is one of the reasons they take a chance at him.
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    Petro might also drop because of his contract situation in Europe.
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    i think a some steals of the draft are no28 you guys got wanye simian who was excellent at kansas and andother big time name is isnt high on the draft is sean may. whateva team gets him in the second round will probally be very excited.
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    Update:

    We're still working almost every minute we're online on the next mock draft. With Tuesday's draft lottery there was a sudden rush of changes and new information that became available to us, so instead of rushing it we've decided to take our time and just try to put together the most accurate, quality mock draft we can provide. It should just be another day, maybe two, before we are able to post it, but so far it looks really good.
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    So when will the V5 come out.



    "Deron Williams goes at least 20-10 in 1st 4 games of series. Only others to do that: Magic, Oscar, Kevin Johnson"
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