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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker31:</div><div class="quote_post">I've never heard of the guy whoz supposed to be #1 from Italy can someone tell me about him.</div>

    The only guys playing in Europe I trust in this draft are Splitter, Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez...the rest are all question marks, big ones

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">The only guys playing in Europe I trust in this draft are Splitter, Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez...the rest are all question marks, big ones</div>


    andrea bargnani is a monster,he is not the quickest center in the world but has a big bruising body and a very deft shooting touch, i dont see him as being a superstar in the nba but definitly a contributor for a few years

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    Anyone think Canada's own, Heny Bekkering should be included in our next mock update?

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    Im a very big Allan Ray fan so this may be bias, but dont you think he is ranked a bit low. I mean he averaged sixteen points in Villanova last season during their regular season. That is impressive considering the depth they hold in their backcourt. With Kyle Lowry who really stepped up big in the tournament putting up fifteen against UNC, and Mike Nardi as well neither as talented as Ray, but both averaged around nine points a game. Toss in Randy Foye, and thats a lot of guards who can put the ball in the basket. I really feel like Ray is a late first rounder early second rounder. Hopefully, he can improve his stock this season.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Im a very big Allan Ray fan so this may be bias, but dont you think he is ranked a bit low. I mean he averaged sixteen points in Villanova last season during their regular season. That is impressive considering the depth they hold in their backcourt. With Kyle Lowry who really stepped up big in the tournament putting up fifteen against UNC, and Mike Nardi as well neither as talented as Ray, but both averaged around nine points a game. Toss in Randy Foye, and thats a lot of guards who can put the ball in the basket. I really feel like Ray is a late first rounder early second rounder. Hopefully, he can improve his stock this season.</div>
    Last year's draft was not kind to 'tweeners' and the best example was Salim Stoudamire. He dropped into the second round of the draft, and Salim is a much better college player and pro-prospect than Allan Ray. This was the main argument for having him low. If he can prove he's capable of handling the basketball and running a team, then his stock should improve.

    Further proof of Allan Ray being ranked low are the numbers he's putting up in the U21 tournament.

    FG% - 27.8
    PPG - 4.0
    RPG - 1.3
    APG - 1.5

    He's been getting equal minutes to the rest of his teammates, so playing time is not an excuse for his poor numbers. Below is a link to the stats for the first four games the team has played.

    U21 Tournament Stats
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Last year's draft was not kind to 'tweeners' and the best example was Salim Stoudamire. He dropped into the second round of the draft, and Salim is a much better college player and pro-prospect than Allan Ray. This was the main argument for having him low. If he can prove he's capable of handling the basketball and running a team, then his stock should improve.

    Further proof of Allan Ray being ranked low are the numbers he's putting up in the U21 tournament.

    FG% - 27.8
    PPG - 4.0
    RPG - 1.3
    APG - 1.5

    He's been getting equal minutes to the rest of his teammates, so playing time is not an excuse for his poor numbers. Below is a link to the stats for the first four games the team has played.

    U21 Tournament Stats</div>

    The fact that Salim Stoudamire was a "tweener" wasn't the sole reason he was a second round pick, if you remember correctly his attitude played a huge role in that. As for Allen Ray, I do not think NBA coaches and general managers put too much stock in the U21 tournament games. Plus it's so far away from the NBA draft the memory of Ray's poor performance will be such a blur to NBA GM's. The NCAA season and tournament means so much more to your draft stock then U21 tournament games. This year Ray will prove that he can put the ball on the floor, thus he will improve his draft stock.
    #showyaluv

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone think Canada's own, Heny Bekkering should be included in our next mock update?

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    Thats guys got amazing hops. especially for a white boy.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting miamiballa12:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats guys got amazing hops. especially for a white boy.</div>


    Highest hops for a hite dude since Brent Barry or the Birdman lol, how are his ther skills? VC would destroy him in a contest tho
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker31:</div><div class="quote_post">Highest hops for a hite dude since Brent Barry or the Birdman lol, how are his ther skills? VC would destroy him in a contest tho </div>

    You don't know how rediculous that sounds, and I'm offended. How would you react to me saying Ray Allen is a good shooter for a black dude or that Emeka Okafor is an intelligent man for a black dude?

    If you'd get out from behind the computer screen, you might realize that many white players are better dunkers than many black players. There are just more black people in the NBA and playing basketball in general, so you see more black dunkers. However, if I walked into any random gym tonight, I guarantee you I'd find a few white guys that can dunk with the best of them.

    Besides, that kid has very little NBA potential. There is a big difference between having the stuff to make the And 1 mixtape tour and having the stuff to make the NBA. That's all I'm going to say.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting C.K.:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that Salim Stoudamire was a "tweener" wasn't the sole reason he was a second round pick, if you remember correctly his attitude played a huge role in that. As for Allen Ray, I do not think NBA coaches and general managers put too much stock in the U21 tournament games. Plus it's so far away from the NBA draft the memory of Ray's poor performance will be such a blur to NBA GM's. The NCAA season and tournament means so much more to your draft stock then U21 tournament games. This year Ray will prove that he can put the ball on the floor, thus he will improve his draft stock.</div>
    Most scouts are willing to overlook attitude in favor of talent. I agree it did effect Stoudemire, but his height was a much bigger deterrent for him slipping into the second round.

    Let's look at another example of a player with the 'right attitude,' Chuck Hayes. He's undersized and it cost him in the draft. He has talent, he is team player etc., but he doesn't measure up. Another name, Mike Wilkinson.

    Of course U21 won't have a huge effect once draft day comes around, but for now that's the most current game players have participated in to get a gage on them, and we will make adjustments accordingly.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Most scouts are willing to overlook attitude in favor of talent. I agree it did effect Stoudemire, but his height was a much bigger deterrent for him slipping into the second round.

    Let's look at another example of a player with the 'right attitude,' Chuck Hayes. He's undersized and it cost him in the draft. He has talent, he is team player etc., but he doesn't measure up. Another name, Mike Wilkinson.

    Of course U21 won't have a huge effect once draft day comes around, but for now that's the most current game players have participated in to get a gage on them, and we will make adjustments accordingly.</div>

    Chuck Hayes also got accused of having raped a women weeks prior to the draft, which really turned a lot of teams off. Mike Wilkinson isn't the type of player that NBA coaches and GM's thought would translate effectively to the NBA. Plus you bring up two forwards, who would be looking up at mis-matches all day in the NBA with some forwards that are seven feet tall, that would be giving up five-six inches everytime they went out on the floor.

    On the other hand, with a guard in Allen Ray, there are players that play the two that are near his size or smaller. Take Ben Gordon, David Wesley, and Allen Iverson, all are under sized for the two guard spot and are playing it effectively.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't know how rediculous that sounds, and I'm offended. How would you react to me saying Ray Allen is a good shooter for a black dude or that Emeka Okafor is an intelligent man for a black dude?

    If you'd get out from behind the computer screen, you might realize that many white players are better dunkers than many black players. There are just more black people in the NBA and playing basketball in general, so you see more black dunkers. However, if I walked into any random gym tonight, I guarantee you I'd find a few white guys that can dunk with the best of them.

    Besides, that kid has very little NBA potential. There is a big difference between having the stuff to make the And 1 mixtape tour and having the stuff to make the NBA. That's all I'm going to say.</div>

    But isn't it proven that blacks have a higher concentration of fast twitch muscle fibers? Which makes them better at jumping and sprinting than whites? While being black or white doesn't make a difference in shooting or inteligence.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting miamiballa12:</div><div class="quote_post">But isn't it proven that blacks have a higher concentration of fast twitch muscle fibers? Which makes them better at jumping and sprinting than whites? While being black or white doesn't make a difference in shooting or inteligence.</div>

    Just as there are those would argue that blacks are genetically better jumpers, there are many who would argue that whites are genetically more intelligent.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting C.K.:</div><div class="quote_post">Chuck Hayes also got accused of having raped a women weeks prior to the draft, which really turned a lot of teams off. Mike Wilkinson isn't the type of player that NBA coaches and GM's thought would translate effectively to the NBA. Plus you bring up two forwards, who would be looking up at mis-matches all day in the NBA with some forwards that are seven feet tall, that would be giving up five-six inches everytime they went out on the floor.

    On the other hand, with a guard in Allen Ray, there are players that play the two that are near his size or smaller. Take Ben Gordon, David Wesley, and Allen Iverson, all are under sized for the two guard spot and are playing it effectively.</div>
    How would Mike Wilkinson not translate into an NBA player? What he lacks in athleticism, he more than makes up for with his basketball IQ and hustle. Being undersized, means being undersized for a given position, so it doesn't matter if I use forwards or guards.

    You want guards who slipped because of the 'tweener' label, Monta Ellis, Louis Williams, & Salim Stoudemire. Two high schoolers with far more upside, and potential than Allen Ray.

    Allen Ray is good, but he not even close to the talent level of an Allen Iverson or Ben Gordon. David Wesley maybe, but David Wesley went undrafted.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Just as there are those would argue that blacks are genetically better jumpers, there are many who would argue that whites are genetically more intelligent.</div>

    How can you be offended by something like that. In all my time on message boards ive heard many say brent barry, chris anderson, and other have hops for white guys, and never have i heard someone be a offended by this. Its simply joke and IMO i think its true lol.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting miamiballa12:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you be offended by something like that. In all my time on message boards ive heard many say brent barry, chris anderson, and other have hops for white guys, and never have i heard someone be a offended by this. Its simply joke and IMO i think its true lol.</div>

    To be honest, I've let it slide for a long time, but I have a lot of friends who are just as disturbed by it as I am. It's like the "white stiff" label Bogut got. Imagine if I called Channing Frye a "black stiff". There are double standards, and even though it's a joke, it's still wrong.

    It's really not that big of a deal, but I had to say something.
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    Hey what is Mike Gansey, isn't he gonna be a senior this year? If so I think he can be a mid-2nd round pick, I like the way he plays.



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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone think Canada's own, Heny Bekkering should be included in our next mock update?

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    yes he should be! the boy from taber, Alberta!
    this guy is great and plays for washington i believe. dude is a multisport athlete and should be considered for late 2ndround.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Just as there are those would argue that blacks are genetically better jumpers, there are many who would argue that whites are genetically more intelligent.</div>

    As it relates to athletics blacks with WEST African roots do dominate sprints,and do well in jumping. EAST Africans dominate distance running with Ethiopia and Kenya able to take on the rest of the planet at distaces over 5000m. No WEST african has had much sucess in distances-no East African won a sprint in a major meet. Different gene pools.

    It would be reckless to suggest whites are genetically more intelligent. One can claim whites are culturally more academic than blacks,a bit less culturally academic than asians. One can check SAT's or Scholarships to Stanford on that,just as one can look at the Olympics and other sports on the Athletic end.

    I asked my Kenyan friend awhile back if she was a marathon runner,she smiled and said ,no that's another tribe. One tribe? in One small country? And producing half the worlds top marathon runners on a low budget? That's some genes.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting urbannomad23:</div><div class="quote_post">yes he should be! the boy from taber, Alberta!
    this guy is great and plays for washington i believe. dude is a multisport athlete and should be considered for late 2ndround.</div>

    I live in Edmonton, Alberta and have seen Henry Bekkering play. As a high school play he isn't much better than the top local talent up here. I would say Jermaine Bucknor who plays for the Richmond Spiders is actually a better all around player (If I was to say who is among the top players currently in the NCAA out of Alberta).

    And I wouldn't trust Hooplife.ca for info about Canadian Basketball at High school and other levels as I find, personally, that they are extremely biased.

    Anyway in short, I don't think he should be added to the updated Mock Draft. Not with much better talent available.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Terminator-X:</div><div class="quote_post">andrea bargnani is a monster,he is not the quickest center in the world but has a big bruising body and a very deft shooting touch, i dont see him as being a superstar in the nba but definitly a contributor for a few years</div>

    Bargnani is not a monster.. he's a fantastic prospect.
    He's stronger than all the european players that NBA has choosen in last 3 years. His comparison with Nowitzki is correct.. but maybe is stronger than german 20years old in defense..
    In last year he didn't play musch for phisically problems, but in italian playoff played very well and dominated large part of semifinals series lost by his team against Milano

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    Hello! I'm italian. Do you think that Rudy Gay goes in 2006 draft or not?
    What do you think about him. Will be an NBA star?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Italia81:</div><div class="quote_post">Hello! I'm italian. Do you think that Rudy Gay goes in 2006 draft or not?
    What do you think about him. Will be an NBA star?</div>
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    But are you sure that Gay will be in 2006 draft?

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