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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Salim For 3:</div><div class="quote_post">And, if they actually enter the draft, what do you guys think of Mustafa Shakur and (Arizona's) Marcus Williams? Is Shakur good enough to break into the second round? Is Williams good enough for the lottery or just late first?</div>

    I know Shakur would be a 2nd round pick because of the weak PG class right now, he could possibly sneak into the 1st round with a good showing @ Orlando. This mock was made after the championship so everybody isn't in it yet. Marcus Williams would be a mid-1st round pick for sure, lottery would be nice but I have feeling he's coming back to Zona.



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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Shakur would be a 2nd round pick because of the weak PG class right now, he could possibly sneak into the 1st round with a good showing @ Orlando. This mock was made after the championship so everybody isn't in it yet. Marcus Williams would be a mid-1st round pick for sure, lottery would be nice but I have feeling he's coming back to Zona.</div>

    Hopefully Marcus Williams goes to the Knicks, we need a real SG instead of a one dememtional SG's.

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    You guys haven't fallen off since last year. Nice work.

    I wouldn't select those players with the Knicks' pick, but they seem very Larry Brown-ish. I also think there's a very strong possibility we'll be packaging our draft picks. I think we're pretty much set with young guys; Brown wants to win now.

    Again, nice job and I look forward to the next version with more information on the players.

    Just a quick question: may you tell me more about that Mouhamed guy you have the Suns picking?
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    Ager would be a solid choice, IMO. Damon Jones has been very incosistent, Hughes can't stay healthy, and Marshall isn't getting any younger. This team needs another explosive athlete and solid shooter to go along with LeBron and Ager would provide this team with just that.

    I've got to see C.J. Watson play at Tennessee for the past four years and i've said all along that I think he can be a solid contributor in the NBA...especially if you place him in the right style of offense(like the Cavs' offense, which likes to run). Watson can stroke it from anywhere on the floor if you give him enough room and is great at finding the open man; he averaged 5 assists his first three seasons, and 3.9 this season, but he improved his offensive game and shot 46% from the field and 42% from beyond the arc.

    The Gray pick would be just fine with me, too. Gooden will likely walk away this summer and the Cavs need to get someone to groom behind Varejao. Gray is the physical post-player that this team has been looking for since Boozer left.

    Overall, this was a very, very good mock, fellas.
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    i can gurantee that morrison won't go number ONE. two reasons for people traditionally drafting a dude number one overall (1) unrealized talent (2) big man. morrison doesn't fit these two criteria of mine.
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    Excuse me if someone else already posted this question but I'm wondering why guys like Marcus Williams and Leon Powe weren't put in this draft. Nor were San Diego St. standouts Brandon Heath and Marcus Slaughter. I've heard that both of those players are talented enough to survive in this league past their first contract.

    This mock draft was very well organized and thought out but I just have to question how high some of your picks are. I know that I've seen on some sites that Ronnie Brewer was a possible lottery pick but he is so unpolished offensively that I couldn't even imagine him being picked in the lottery, let alone to Seattle who really prides themselves on having skilled perimeter players.

    I don't believe, w/ Adam Morrison's medical condition, that he will be the first player selected in the draft. I think that is something that should have been highlighted considering that as most players begin to hit their physical peak in their mid 20's, Morrison will probably be on the decline of his career by the end of rookie deal. His upside is such that he could easily peak after his third season in the league. Just ask guys Wally Sczerbiak (sp.?) how difficult it is to play at an All-Star level when you can't beat your man off of the dribble. Morrison's legs will not allow for him to be a perennial NBA All-Star (although I do think he has the competitive spirit to be one at some point in his career).

    I think that when doing a mock draft, it make sense to pick the BAP and then see how the draft order will pan out before you start making predictions. Teams needs often are the reason why players are selected over other players who have better reputations and the teams that fill their needs in the draft are normally the ones who get the more impactful player (see Chris Paul/Deron Williams selections and compare them to that of Marvin Williams). Until you know the exact order as to what teams are going to pick where it doesn't make sense to do a mock draft that is speculating on how well a certain player will fit in.

    To be honest, I'd rather see a mock draft where each team needs are specified and an order in which they would select players to fill those needs. This way the lottery selection show wouldn't necessarily affect a mock draft as much as it does with the current way that most people do their drafts. Good NBA GM's target players that they assume they have a chance at getting but still have a draft board that they know instantly who they are going to select regardless if their top choices are off of the board. That would be an interesting way of getting the attention of people on the board.

    For example:

    Seattle (possible draft selections 1st round 1,2,3--10)

    Needs: Backcourt depth. Wing defensive stopper.

    After the trades that brought Chris Wilcox and Earl Watson to Seattle the Sonics addressed their needs for the future. They plan on resigning Wilcox and offering contract extensions for Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison. Robert Swift and Johan Petro made huge strides this season and have cemented themselves as future stalwarths on the Sonics frontline. Ray Allen is coming off a career season statiscally where he broke the single season record for most 3 pointers in a season. Rashard Lewis also was solid but could be looking at unrestricted free agency if he doesn't sign an extension with the Sonics this offseason.

    Ray Allen did not have a solid back up all season. He logged a career high in minutes partly b/c he was replaced by two players (Earl Watson and Damien Wilkins) who are not prototypical shooting guards. 2nd round draft pick Micka&#235;l Gelabale is expected to come in and compte for reserve shooting guard minutes. Last season the Sonics were one of the worst defensive teams in NBA history. They have only three players on their roster (Watson, Wilkins, and Collison) who have reputations for being solid defenders.

    1 - LaMarcus Aldridge - With the possibility of having to overspend to keep Wilcox the Sonics can use Aldridge as either a bargaining chip to address other needs or make players like Collison and or Swift/Petro expendable.

    2 - Tyus Thomas - The Sonics were one of the worst shot blocking teams in the league and Thomas would fit in extremely well with the Sonics uptempo style of basketball

    3 - Rudy Gay - With the potential of losing Rashard Lewis in 2007 free agency Gay could find himself being positioned to fill the starting small forward spot.

    10 - Brandon Roy - Local product could slide between both shooting guard and small forward spot. Would help the Sonics tremendously on defense
    - Randy Foye - Combo guard capable of being an instant offense guy off of the bench while also being able to guard the best perimeter player on the opposition
    - Rajon Rondo - Luke Ridnour's defensive deficiencies have plagued Seattle and in the event of his departure Rondo could step in and be a solid play maker and a lock down defender.
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    I know Morrison is the hometown kid and Portland are struggling to gather local support, but would they really pass up two blue chip big guys for that reason? Randolph wants out, they've just drafted Webster the local kid last year, and I'm not sure they could pass up both Aldridge and Thomas.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Casual:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, why do the Sonics have the 11th pick?</div>

    Because we had the 11th pick when the NCAA Tourney ended.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Diaz had a good season in one of the best conferences. He just came off an injury from last season, and he played with the injury all season long. He became a basketball player this season instead of an athelete. Diaz's shooting very good.

    This tweener talk is played out, guys like Gordon, House, Barbosa, Head, Robinson, Tony Allen, Salim Stodimire, Dooling...all their height doesn't stop them being a productive NBA player.

    Diaz's passing has improved alway if you seen him play this season, his 3 assist is career high, and Diaz plays off guard. He only averaged 2 turnovers on 17 points, so he's efficent and productive with the basketball.

    Diaz is a late first rounder. He's a NBA player cause he's always in attack mode, thats his style.

    Sacramento are looking for guards, Wells is expiring next season, and they haven't had a replacable since Bobby Jackson. and Diaz is very similar to Bobby Jackson. Diaz is capable of being an explosiveness bench player for a good team.

    Diaz >>> Aaron Gray.</div>

    Aren't those comparisons a little, too conveniant? For every one of those guys, there's at least 5 or 6 tweeners who didn't last in the NBA. Those players you listed all shoot better than Diaz and proved during pre-draft camps they can play PG.

    If Diaz shows in workouts or in the predraft camps he can run a team, then he definitely move up the mock. Right now he hasn't had the opportunity yet, so it's a question mark surrounding his draft status.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Iron Shiek:</div><div class="quote_post">Excuse me if someone else already posted this question but I'm wondering why guys like Marcus Williams and Leon Powe weren't put in this draft. Nor were San Diego St. standouts Brandon Heath and Marcus Slaughter. I've heard that both of those players are talented enough to survive in this league past their first contract.</div>

    We completed the draft prior to Leon Powe and Marcus Williams declaring. They will both be in our updated mock. Marcus Slaughter was on the bubble and Brandon Heath said he's closer to returning back to San Diego State.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Morrison is the hometown kid and Portland are struggling to gather local support, but would they really pass up two blue chip big guys for that reason? Randolph wants out, they've just drafted Webster the local kid last year, and I'm not sure they could pass up both Aldridge and Thomas.</div>

    Again, it's just a timing issue with the mock and recent suspension of Zach Randolph. We completed the mock before the incident took place. The Blazers are struggling financially even though they drafted local product Martell Webster last season. Adam Morrison has the ability to become the face of the franchise, which would make the sale of the team even more attractive.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting iron shiek:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that when doing a mock draft, it make sense to pick the BAP and then see how the draft order will pan out before you start making predictions. Teams needs often are the reason why players are selected over other players who have better reputations and the teams that fill their needs in the draft are normally the ones who get the more impactful player (see Chris Paul/Deron Williams selections and compare them to that of Marvin Williams). Until you know the exact order as to what teams are going to pick where it doesn't make sense to do a mock draft that is speculating on how well a certain player will fit in.</div>

    We agree, but with the college season over and the NBA regular season winding down, we wanted to get an early start on speculating who could go where based on team needs.

    The NBA just announced the draft order, with the exception of the lottery.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Diaz has improved his passing this season with 3 dimes a game playing off guard. Diaz doesn't play point guard in Miami's system cause Dennis Clemente and Harris are shoter guards who are known as shoot first PG's. Miami doesn't have any wing players and only one solid big men, so Miami has to play small, and Diaz has to play the 3 or off the ball. To consider he averages 3 assist is impressive.

    All you've seen were high lights of Diaz on ESPN, not him in the game.

    I see Diaz as a Barbosa type guy who can give you 12 points off the bench with his speed and quickness and jumpshooting.

    He is a good combo guard, and thats what the NBA is getting loaded with, because of the new rules, look at Arenas, Wade, Charlie Bell..etc etc etc. Height isn't a turnoff anymore, cause these 6"2-6"3-6"4 guards are proving they can be productive for their teams.

    I feel you're looking at 3pt% and declaring Diaz as not a consistant shooter.

    Diaz has a an affect mid-range pull up shot if he Hite or Harris can't create their own shot, or if King isn't open in the post. Diaz has a great stroke, great elevation, terrific quick release, and great high arching shot on his jumper, he's hard to block consider for a 6"2 Combo guard.

    I feel you guys lean on stats to match and to basketball. Miami dribbles the ball too much with guys like Harris and Hite who aren't pass first guards, so Diaz had to force up alot of 3's this season, he's a much better shooter than 36%.

    Diaz is one of the most atheletic players in the draft, he's going to get alot of attention from teams, especially with the sucesses of those combo guards I listed.</div>
    Don't assume that I haven't watched Diaz this year, because I've had the oppurtunity to and I've been unimpressed. Games against Temple and Louisville stand out, where a pesky defender took him out of his game. And I've seen him effectively neutralized by a simple zone defense. His passing still isn't good enough to make up for his lack of height. You compare him to Barbosa, but I still don't see the comparison outside of their quickness and atheticism. Barbosa has better shooting, defense, courtvision, and rebounding. Diaz has some skills at those aspects, but not nearly enough to compensate for his lack of height.

    Height isn't a turnoff in the NBA if a player has the other skills to make up for the lack of height. He'll need a 3 pt. shot like Arenas. Or the passing skills of Wade or Bell. Or the defense of Gordon. There are so many examples of short players like Diaz who couldn't make it in today's NBA, because they were too one-dimensional.

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    Anybody mention Yi? I would be surprised if he didn't go lottery, yet hardly anyone is showing him on thier draft board.

    ...and Dee Brown is first round talent.

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    The format of the draft looks really good, the worst pick I see you made is Bobby Jones at 17, no way he will even be a first round pick. Everyone has there own opinion on mock drafts so you really cant say everything you need.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting NeTs15VC:</div><div class="quote_post">The format of the draft looks really good, the worst pick I see you made is Bobby Jones at 17, no way he will even be a first round pick. Everyone has there own opinion on mock drafts so you really cant say everything you need.</div>

    Care to elaborate on why Bobby Jones won't go in the 1st Round?
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    Awesome mock draft guys for a tough one to predict, especially this early. There's a ton of Small Forwards jammed at the top of the draft board and I think you guys rated them nicely. Dee Brown to the Rockets in round 2 would be a steal for them, I can see him going a little higher.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">We completed the draft prior to Leon Powe and Marcus Williams declaring. They will both be in our updated mock. Marcus Slaughter was on the bubble and Brandon Heath said he's closer to returning back to San Diego State.
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    When does the updated mock come out?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't assume that I haven't watched Diaz this year, because I've had the oppurtunity to and I've been unimpressed. Games against Temple and Louisville stand out, where a pesky defender took him out of his game. And I've seen him effectively neutralized by a simple zone defense. His passing still isn't good enough to make up for his lack of height. You compare him to Barbosa, but I still don't see the comparison outside of their quickness and atheticism. Barbosa has better shooting, defense, courtvision, and rebounding. Diaz has some skills at those aspects, but not nearly enough to compensate for his lack of height.

    Height isn't a turnoff in the NBA if a player has the other skills to make up for the lack of height. He'll need a 3 pt. shot like Arenas. Or the passing skills of Wade or Bell. Or the defense of Gordon. There are so many examples of short players like Diaz who couldn't make it in today's NBA, because they were too one-dimensional.</div>


    You've watched his two worst games of the season. Two only? Your opinion of him is still weak. That happends to many colllege players where they have an off night, it happends to the best. So throw that out the window.

    His passive has improved, I saw him 11 games this season, he doesn't look lost playing off guard, driving the basket and creating clear jumpshots for his teammates. He has the ability to create shots for himself and his teammates.

    He's 6"2 with a 42 inch vertical leap, he plays bigger than most guards, stop talking about the height thing, it isn't irrevelant. I've showed you atheletic guards are sucessful in the NBA.

    Barbosa and Diaz are the same defenders, quick, pesky and have good work on defense. Please, people told me before Barbosa didn't have enough PG skills and enough defense to play in the NBA, and now he's one of the top bench players in the NBA. This where I see Diaz can excel his level. Diaz is a better rebounder than Barbosa, you're just being random now. Barbosa doesn't play around the close range. Barbosa plays off guard like Diaz, Diaw and Nash handle the 1 and are used for their courtvision. If you believe Barbosa is known as a head ups PG, then you're really taking other L. Barbosa has his head down when he's on the fast break. My boy goes full speed to the basket. Watch him play, it helps.


    Raja Bell is known for his defense and 3pt shooter, not his passing skills, Raja Bell can handle the ball cause he doesn't turn it over. Pat Riley loves Guillermo, the same reason he loved Wade. If you're going to deny Riley's eye for talent, you might as well live in your own world. Diaz doesn't turn it over alot consider his 3 assist a game. 3/2 is very good. Now Ben Gordon plays defense? There goes another L. I excepted "Ben Gordon has better shooting" But damn, atleast "Dribble' You said DEFENSE. The main reason why Gordon doesn't get 40 minutes a game is his turnovers, defense and stamia, where you been at?

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    j0se, the example of Barbosa is great one for comparing him to Diaz. However, the situation in Phoenix is unique because they have players on the roster to allow Barbosa to play off-guard.

    Not many teams in the league have the luxury of a big man being able to run an offense like Diaw can. It really limits Diaz options to be drafted higher up until he can show he's capable of playing PG.
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    Anyone else see Pittsnogle going that late? and personally I think Aldridge will be #1 still. Great mock though, even if it is a little outdated.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You've watched his two worst games of the season. Two only? Your opinion of him is still weak. That happends to many colllege players where they have an off night, it happends to the best. So throw that out the window.</div>
    I said those two games stand out. Stand out against what? Stand out against other games that I've watched. I've seen about 4-5 of his games this year. Obviously not as many as you have, but enough to form a decent opinion about his game. I referenced those games, because I thought they were a good example of the limitations in his game. They weren't just bad games for him. The other teams took him out of his game with simple defensive adjustments.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">His passive has improved, I saw him 11 games this season, he doesn't look lost playing off guard, driving the basket and creating clear jumpshots for his teammates. He has the ability to create shots for himself and his teammates.</div>
    I didn't say his passing hasn't improved, but you can't deny that it hasn't improved as much as most scouts and observers would have liked or expected. I still don't think he's a good enough passer to offset his lack of height.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">He's 6"2 with a 42 inch vertical leap, he plays bigger than most guards, stop talking about the height thing, it isn't irrevelant. I've showed you atheletic guards are sucessful in the NBA.</div>
    You've shown me that athletic guards, who have significant skills to offset their height, are successful in the NBA. Diaz IMO doesn't have that other aspect of his game that guards like Wade and Arenas have used shown to become successful.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Barbosa and Diaz are the same defenders, quick, pesky and have good work on defense. Please, people told me before Barbosa didn't have enough PG skills and enough defense to play in the NBA, and now he's one of the top bench players in the NBA. This where I see Diaz can excel his level. Diaz is a better rebounder than Barbosa, you're just being random now. Barbosa doesn't play around the close range. Barbosa plays off guard like Diaz, Diaw and Nash handle the 1 and are used for their courtvision. If you believe Barbosa is known as a head ups PG, then you're really taking other L. Barbosa has his head down when he's on the fast break. My boy goes full speed to the basket. Watch him play, it helps.</div>
    OK, Diaz and Barbosa do have the same skillset as players, but Barbosa was on a different level coming into the league than Diaz. I don't think Diaz's game is matured or well-rounded enough to sneak into the first round like Barbosa did. Of course there's the potential that he can improve in the League. And for the record, I'm not suggesting that I don't think Diaz will survive in the NBA. But he isn't anything other than a early-mid (more likely mid) 2nd round prospect at this point.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Raja Bell is known for his defense and 3pt shooter, not his passing skills, Raja Bell can handle the ball cause he doesn't turn it over. Pat Riley loves Guillermo, the same reason he loved Wade. If you're going to deny Riley's eye for talent, you might as well live in your own world. Diaz doesn't turn it over alot consider his 3 assist a game. 3/2 is very good. Now Ben Gordon plays defense? There goes another L. I excepted "Ben Gordon has better shooting" But damn, atleast "Dribble' You said DEFENSE. The main reason why Gordon doesn't get 40 minutes a game is his turnovers, defense and stamia, where you been at?</div>
    I was talking about Charlie Bell, not Raja. You brought him up first.

    The Pat Riley argument was just really bad logic.

    I suppose I should've mentioned Gordon's shooting instead, but at least you showed that you're getting my point. Diaz is lacking that other great skill, like Gordon's shooting or dribble, to offset his height.


    Honestly, its really tiring and annoying to respond to your posts. I suggest we just agree to disagree.

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    I'm close to 99 percent certain that we are going to use our pick on him. We've been talking about him during this season and i'd be surprised if we dont pick him up.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting samoan-maverick:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone ever hear of a Marcus Slaughter?

    I'm close to 99 percent certain that we are going to use our pick on him. We've been talking about him during this season and i'd be surprised if we dont pick him up.</div>

    It could be a smoke screen by the Mavs. Marcus Slaughter isn't very good at San Diego State, and there's no way he cracks the 1st round. Sometimes teams fall in love with one player and draft based on it. It's possible the Mavs grab him at #58, there's a lot of parity in this year's draft class so it's a real toss up. I just don't see why the Mavs would need him when they have Josh Howard, Marquise Daniels, Rawle Marshall, and Jerry Stackhouse already.
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post"></div>

    I don't know how to do the quote thing you did...so I'll just respond to your statements sentence by sentence.

    Now its 4-5? 1-2 and 4-5, it seems like you keep changing your mind on how many games you've watched Diaz.


    What scouts? People have clearly stated his passing has improved, and he's become more a basketball player than an athelete.

    Your opinion of Guillermo Jose Diaz is 1-2 games.

    "Bad logic"? You can't accept what Pat Riley said? When I say "bad logic", don't re-use it cause I said it, and if you're going to re-use it, use it properly. Atleast I can know you learned something. Pat Riley is one of the best basketball minds in the world, and is a huge fan of Diaz. There is no question Diaz's game translate to the NBA style. He plays big for a guard, can penatrate create shots for himself and his teammates, is a solid defender, he has a good pull up mid range shot, and is a threat from long range. Diaz will fall to 25-35. Before Diaz had the knee injury last season, the guy was projected top 10...there is no question this kid's potential is very high and its just up to him to be a hard worker.

    Diaz played one year in the Big East, and 2 years in ACC. Do you even know what league Barbosa was from? How would you know he was on a different level than Diaz. I honestly feel you're randomly stating things about the list of Off guards I listed, since you believed off guards can't survive in the NBA. Stick to your agruement.

    You said Gordon can play defense, that really took away your credibility about the player of Ben Gordon. Diaz is known as an excellent shooter/dribbler. How does he beat people off the dribble then and have a good assist to turnover ratio.

    I just said, if you're going to say something I'm all here to listen and learn from you. But it disappoints me when I hear things like Ben Gordon plays defense, height plays a factor in the NBA, all these statements that lack alot of sense. I look foward to the post here. But if I come in here saying a guy like James White should be the number one overall pick, I should atleast expect to be corrected. I didn't know you would be so suprised that you got corrected. Can't do anything else if you catch feelings and feel annoyed.

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    Yeea I'm too lazy to quote your whole response too.

    When did I ever say that I had only watched 1-2 games of Guillermo Diaz? I mentioned two games that I saw, and I said that they stood out. That implies that they stood out from other games that I saw. When I said 4-5, it was the only time I actually specified how many games I saw. Simple English.

    Did I say his passing hasn't improved? I said it hasn't improved as much as expected or needed for him to be a legit 1st round prospect.

    My opinion can't be dismissed that easily. You actually have to read it if you want to argue.

    I just re-read your other post, and you didn't say bad logic once. And that came out of my head anyway. How isn't it bad logic?: "Pat Riley says this. Therefore you should say this." Obviously everybody doesn't agree with Pat Riley about Diaz because he isn't expected to be in the 1st round.

    You don't even address my argument the rest of the post. You just nitpick on the details and examples and think that you've won. Just leave it man, this discussion's going nowhere.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't even address my argument the rest of the post. You just nitpick on the details and examples and think that you've won. Just leave it man, this discussion's going nowhere.</div>

    I think that really sums up the Diaz argument that's been going on throughout this thread.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone else see Pittsnogle going that late? and personally I think Aldridge will be #1 still. Great mock though, even if it is a little outdated.</div>

    I actually think #36 is a little generous. In fact, I can't think of many reputable mock drafts out there who actually have him in the first round at this point. Many have him barely clinging on to the second round. He just doesn't have an NBA skill set. His statistics and abilities were a bit overblown at West Virginia because their system fit his strengths so well; it allowed him to hang around the perimeter on offense, which in turn led to a lot of long rebounds, and on defense, West Virginia's zone kept him from really being exploited, but on the next level he probably doesn't have the lateral quickness to defend the typical power forward.

    As for our mock being outdated, it had to be, because of the time it took to write our explanations, but it was not that out of date. It's accurate enough. We've got a new one in the works, and we'll make sure it's current and up-to-date when we finish. Shapecity and I both have busy schedules and have other projects on JBB, but if I had to project a release date, I'd predict it'll be out in 1-3 weeks.
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