Which player is more impactful?

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Which player is more valuable?

  1. Player A

  2. Player B

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  1. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Purely a thought experiment. Yes a lot of context is missing.

    Player A per 36:
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    Player A advanced:
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    Player B per 36
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    Player B advanced:
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  2. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Clearly player A is superior based on these stats.
     
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  3. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    That's the way it appears to me. And that's after admitting I have absolutely NO freaking clue as to what any of the advance stats mean in any way shape or form........
     
  4. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    What if I told you player A is 25 and player B is 21 - would you rather have player B?
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Player B turns the ball over less and is better at the line. A 25 y/o that cant shoot FTs vs. a 21 y/o that cant shoot 3s. Because of the 3pt shooting A is more valuable.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Hey, I'm 70 years old. Give me the guy who's doing it right now.
     
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    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Player A - assist, steals & blocks with 40% 3's.....piece of cake
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Player A is Dalano Banton and player B is Shaedon Sharpe.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    DB has to improve his FT shooting
     
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    Depends on the upside of player B. In general I'd much rather have player A but there could be many scenarios depending on scouting that player B would have more expected value. Also the defense is one thing stats don't capture well as the ones you list are more team dependent.

    Guessing this may be something like Banton vs Scoot from your age reply.
     
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    I'd value Sharpe higher based on some glimpses where he looks like an all Star level player. Banton hasn't had those moments.

    But I'd consider starting Banton over Sharpe now if that comes up as he has been significantly out playing him.

    Appreciate you pointing out how much better Banton has been this year, and how Sharpe has not excelled as many of us we're hoping. He really hasn't even been an average NBA player based on those stats.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Banton would have been perfect to have played alongside Dame.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    These two players developed self-esteem problems when other kids made fun of them. NEVER name your baby A or B.
     
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    Two years of college helped Delano. Would have helped Shae & Scoot.
     
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    I don't think the NBA should draft kids straight out of high school. I don't think the g League should either.

    I think it should be in the bylaws and disallowed for any team to draft a kid until they have played at least two seasons in college. Especially now with NIL.
     
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    4 years of college helped Tou too.
     
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    All I know is we need to trade Ant so that both can be heavily featured.
     
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    When Ant was out of the picture, Sharpe looked like an All Star. The ceiling is so high for him. He has increased his scoring each year and has a shot at MIP if Ant is traded.
     
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    Presuming these are season and not career stats, this is a great example of stats being misleading. Early on, Banton was playing against the other team's third teamers and only started getting run when he dominated them, he's not the focus of opposing defenses and he's not guarding the other team's top offensive threat unless he's forced to switch onto them. Sharpe is playing his way back from an injury, has been in a 3-pt. shooting slump which when combined with the small sample size contributes to his awful-looking percentage, is often drawing one of the opposing team's best defenders and is guarding the opposing team's first or second best perimeter offensive threat -- plus, opposing teams aren't putting him in the PnR to switch him onto anyone, even though he hasn't been playing well on that end of the court, either.

    Sharpe's a defensive disappointment this season. Delano is and always has been a defensive liability. It doesn't matter what the stats say. If you just watch him and watch how teams attack us, it's evident.
     
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    among the players of his draft class, Sharpe ranks

    11th in minutes/game
    8th in points/game
    19th in rebounds/game
    14th in assists/game

    14th in total minutes
    9th in total points
    18th in total rebounds
    15th in total assists

    23rd in FG%
    23rd in 3ptFG%

    21st in winshares
    39th in winshares/48
    31st in BPM
    42nd in VORP

    at a certain point, and we may already be past that point, all the excuses about 'not-playing-college-ball' and 'coming-back-from-injury' and 'he-has-to-learn-to-be-an-Alpha' stop being valid. Yes, they are all true, but he's in his 3rd season and in 7 months he's eligible for an contract extension.

    Personally, I'm still holding onto quite a bit of hope for him because, like everybody, I've seen the flashes of his upside. All things considered though, it's pretty clear he has been something of a disappointment to this point in time. No significant improvements in performance, consistency, or efficiency. He hasn't established anything he does well yet. Well, not entirely as he does finish well at the rim

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