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B-Roy

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Purely a thought experiment. Yes a lot of context is missing.

Player A per 36:
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Player A advanced:
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Player B per 36
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Player B advanced:
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SharpesTriumph said:
Clearly player A is superior based on these stats.
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That's the way it appears to me. And that's after admitting I have absolutely NO freaking clue as to what any of the advance stats mean in any way shape or form........
 
Player B turns the ball over less and is better at the line. A 25 y/o that cant shoot FTs vs. a 21 y/o that cant shoot 3s. Because of the 3pt shooting A is more valuable.
 
B-Roy said:
What if I told you player A is 25 and player B is 21 - would you rather have player B?
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Depends on the upside of player B. In general I'd much rather have player A but there could be many scenarios depending on scouting that player B would have more expected value. Also the defense is one thing stats don't capture well as the ones you list are more team dependent.

Guessing this may be something like Banton vs Scoot from your age reply.
 
B-Roy said:
Player A is Dalano Banton and player B is Shaedon Sharpe.
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I'd value Sharpe higher based on some glimpses where he looks like an all Star level player. Banton hasn't had those moments.

But I'd consider starting Banton over Sharpe now if that comes up as he has been significantly out playing him.

Appreciate you pointing out how much better Banton has been this year, and how Sharpe has not excelled as many of us we're hoping. He really hasn't even been an average NBA player based on those stats.
 
Hoopguru said:
Two years of college helped Delano. Would have helped Shae & Scoot.
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I don't think the NBA should draft kids straight out of high school. I don't think the g League should either.

I think it should be in the bylaws and disallowed for any team to draft a kid until they have played at least two seasons in college. Especially now with NIL.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd value Sharpe higher based on some glimpses where he looks like an all Star level player. Banton hasn't had those moments.

But I'd consider starting Banton over Sharpe now if that comes up as he has been significantly out playing him.

Appreciate you pointing out how much better Banton has been this year, and how Sharpe has not excelled as many of us we're hoping. He really hasn't even been an average NBA player based on those stats.
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When Ant was out of the picture, Sharpe looked like an All Star. The ceiling is so high for him. He has increased his scoring each year and has a shot at MIP if Ant is traded.
 
Presuming these are season and not career stats, this is a great example of stats being misleading. Early on, Banton was playing against the other team's third teamers and only started getting run when he dominated them, he's not the focus of opposing defenses and he's not guarding the other team's top offensive threat unless he's forced to switch onto them. Sharpe is playing his way back from an injury, has been in a 3-pt. shooting slump which when combined with the small sample size contributes to his awful-looking percentage, is often drawing one of the opposing team's best defenders and is guarding the opposing team's first or second best perimeter offensive threat -- plus, opposing teams aren't putting him in the PnR to switch him onto anyone, even though he hasn't been playing well on that end of the court, either.

Sharpe's a defensive disappointment this season. Delano is and always has been a defensive liability. It doesn't matter what the stats say. If you just watch him and watch how teams attack us, it's evident.
 
among the players of his draft class, Sharpe ranks

11th in minutes/game
8th in points/game
19th in rebounds/game
14th in assists/game

14th in total minutes
9th in total points
18th in total rebounds
15th in total assists

23rd in FG%
23rd in 3ptFG%

21st in winshares
39th in winshares/48
31st in BPM
42nd in VORP

at a certain point, and we may already be past that point, all the excuses about 'not-playing-college-ball' and 'coming-back-from-injury' and 'he-has-to-learn-to-be-an-Alpha' stop being valid. Yes, they are all true, but he's in his 3rd season and in 7 months he's eligible for an contract extension.

Personally, I'm still holding onto quite a bit of hope for him because, like everybody, I've seen the flashes of his upside. All things considered though, it's pretty clear he has been something of a disappointment to this point in time. No significant improvements in performance, consistency, or efficiency. He hasn't established anything he does well yet. Well, not entirely as he does finish well at the rim

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Most the NBA greats were juniors in college when they were 21.

Sharpe is going to be fine. I think 2 more years and we’ll be talking about him in the All Star game
 
wizenheimer said:
among the players of his draft class, Sharpe ranks

11th in minutes/game
8th in points/game
19th in rebounds/game
14th in assists/game

14th in total minutes
9th in total points
18th in total rebounds
15th in total assists

23rd in FG%
23rd in 3ptFG%

21st in winshares
39th in winshares/48
31st in BPM
42nd in VORP

at a certain point, and we may already be past that point, all the excuses about 'not-playing-college-ball' and 'coming-back-from-injury' and 'he-has-to-learn-to-be-an-Alpha' stop being valid. Yes, they are all true, but he's in his 3rd season and in 7 months he's eligible for an contract extension.

Personally, I'm still holding onto quite a bit of hope for him because, like everybody, I've seen the flashes of his upside. All things considered though, it's pretty clear he has been something of a disappointment to this point in time. No significant improvements in performance, consistency, or efficiency. He hasn't established anything he does well yet. Well, not entirely as he does finish well at the rim

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11th in minutes per game. How does he rank in games played compared to his draft peers?

I know he missed alot of last season as well as some of bis rookie season. That is a huge factor in the stats you are compiling. Curious why it was left out?
What does minutes per game matter if he has only played in half the games as his peers?( i don't know if its half or what…)
 
The smart money on Sharpe is to take advantage of his lack of court time over his rookie deal to lock him up to a reasonable contract and let his talent grow into a guy who will get the bag on his second contract after becoming an all star. Him not impacting wins consistently as a rookie might make him more of a favorable cap friendly talent allowing us to keep other talented players who will also need to get paid. He's not there yet and the biggest question mark to me is whether or not he develops a killer instinct or fades into a paycheck player with just some highlight reel dunks. I think he's the most talented player we have on the team...just hope it works out for the whole team's benefit and not just because Ant got the bag young. Love to get Sharpe for Matisse Thybulle money and go from there.
 
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I have said it before but I don't think Shae wants to be a Blazer. Send him home to TOR for Gradey.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
11th in minutes per game. How does he rank in games played compared to his draft peers?

I know he missed alot of last season as well as some of bis rookie season. That is a huge factor in the stats you are compiling. Curious why it was left out?
What does minutes per game matter if he has only played in half the games as his peers?( i don't know if its half or what…)
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I left it out because I didn't think it mattered in any significant way compared to total minutes and minutes/game. Furthermore, as I said, at this point his fewer games played is not a positive. It means he's less durable
 
wizenheimer said:
I left it out because I didn't think it mattered in any significant way compared to total minutes and minutes/game. Furthermore, as I said, at this point his fewer games played is not a positive. It means he's less durable
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I think it matters quite a bit. A player can average 30 minutes a game but has only played in half of the games. Or a quarter.
Those missed games could be significant if the margin is large.
 
And the answer to the op is Sharpe. I think we have seen the best of Dalano. He is peaking. Sharpe is just starting the climb.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
And the answer to the op is Sharpe. I think we have seen the best of Dalano. He is peaking. Sharpe is just starting the climb.
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Banton has basically played 2 seasons worth of games, or 1 starter's season's worth of minutes. In fact, Sharpe has played more career NBA minutes than Banton has. It seems premature to suggest that "he is peaking".

What Banton does have, however, is an aggressive mindset that Sharpe can only dream of, and handles that Sharpe likely won't develop even in the 3 1/2 years it will take him to reach the age Banton is now.
 
We don't really need to choose between the two so I don't see why it matters?

Plenty of opportunities for either or both to develop to a starter, we have no established long term starter anywhere on this roster. That's why we're a bad lottery team.

Plenty of risk one or both are irrelevant in a few years and scrubs in this league. In that case it's like discussing who was better between Ruben Boumtje Boumtje and Ha Sung Jin.

Banton will be an unrestricted free agent so if he improves perhaps he walks to another team. Or perhaps we sign him to a long term deal. That's an off-season decision.

Sharpe will either agree to an extension or not but either way he's under contract next season.
 
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