Wins against good teams

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  1. BlazerBeav

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    What an insane fact.
     
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    Damn thats crazy - would like to see the records.

    We must have a lot of losses to teams with losing records. The Utah one stands out.
     
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    By virtue of playing in the west most of our losses would also be to .500 teams and above - the top East teams just get to absolutely feed against garbage.

    But yes, we've lost to Utah twice, Brooklyn, etc.
     
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    Our losses against losing teams;

    10/25 NOP
    11/7 SAS
    12/6 UTH
    12/13 SAS
    12/21 SAS
    12/30 PHI
    1/6 DET
    1/14 BRK

    Thats a decent amount but not what I would expect - I don't understand how that stat with wins is accurate.
     
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    I mean I guess that makes some sense. Still a lot of west teams on this list some who are in the playoffs;

    Lakers
    Clippers
    Mavs
    Suns
    Kings

    Maybe the LA teams also have games to make up from the fires.
     
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    I guess I'd quibble a bit about how it is a .500 team became a "good team"

    Blazers are 3-8 against current playoff teams with HCA that are top-4 in conferences

    and 8-12 against playoff teams that are top-6 in conferences

    those aren't great records but they are better than some of the seasons against actual good teams in the Stotts era. A lot of those teams made hay against the lottery teams, rarely losing. This current team has stubbed their toes against lottery teams a few times
     
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    You make it sound like a bunch of playoff teams are expected to have winning records against all the top playoff teams. Being close to .500 against those teams is all that you need to be a great regular season team. Then win against the bad teams. That gets HCA. The team winning the title only needs to win 57% of their games in the playoffs.

    To be a tier lower and a solid playoff team but not a great regular season team you can have a losing record against the top teams. Even title winners often do this but perform better in the playoffs.

    Blazers were horrific for the majority of this season so even having some of these stats against winning records is impressive. I don't think anyone rational expects we are or can be a great team this season.
     
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    For example - last year Dallas was 25-27 against opponents that were .500 and above. They made the finals.

    The year prior - Miami was 24-24. They made the finals

    Two years prior - Milwaukee was 19-17. They won the title.
     
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    so your saying we got a chance
     
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    I just posted Blazer records against current playoff teams; and quibbled about a .500 team being called a good team. Half of the teams in the league are .500 or better

    the stat is kind of deceptive too. Blazers have 12 wins, but they have played 31 games which is more than most teams. Going by winning% against .500 or better makes it look a bit different:

    OKC .760
    Cleveland .696
    Houston .654
    Boston .652
    Minny .560
    NY .526
    Indiana .526
    Memphis .524
    Denver .440
    Atlanta .423
    Phoenix .409
    Sacramento .407
    Detroit .393
    Dallas .393
    Portland .387
    LAL .381
    Golden State .375
     
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    I can see why some posters claim all you do is pick the negative view of everything lol

    Blazers record against .500 or better teams since Dame was drafted;

    12-19 this season
    8-49 last year
    15-36
    15-35
    16-22 (lost to Nuggets in playoffs)
    14-23 (Dame bubble MVP)
    25-18 (WCF year we were 3 seed)
    24-25
    17-26
    18-28
    20-21
    21-22
    18-34

    So yeah we win 5 more in these last 30 games and that will be the most since the WCF team. Dame had a losing record here every year in Portland except one.
     
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    Color me shocked.

    But, Incredulous is my middle name.

    The boys are back in town!!
     
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    ok...you're kind of proving out what I said. Delete the 3 seasons of deliberate tanking; they aren't the same as the others

    so then, 10 seasons and 7 of those seasons are better, by winning percentage, than this season

    18-19 - .581
    13-14 - .498
    14-15 - .488
    17-18 - .490
    20-21 - .421
    16-17 - .395
    15-16 - .391
    24-25 - .387
    19-20 - .378
    12.13 - .346

    and in 12-13 the Blazers did a mini-tank as Batum sat the last 7 games, Aldridge sat for 6 of the last 10, and Matthews sat the final 4 games
     
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    How is that possible?

    the only way is that the Blazers have been winning games and those others are feeding off Bad Teams.

    which some people accuse the blazers of doing during their win streak.
     
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    See we just view this differently. The Blazers had multiple games this year they got blown out by 40 points to horrible opponents. They were 13-28 overall including games against all the celler dwellers. They had a vegas over under of 23 wins.

    To even be in a position where they are comparable now to many of Dame playoffs teams as opposed to the prior 3 years of tanking teams is a shocking accomplishment.
     
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    probably should revisit this after the season. Here are there remaining games against .500 & better teams:

    @ Minnesota Timberwolves
    @ Denver Nuggets
    @ Denver Nuggets
    Los Angeles Lakers
    @ Cleveland Cavaliers
    @ Boston Celtics
    @ Oklahoma City Thunder
    New York Knicks
    Memphis Grizzlies
    Denver Nuggets
    Boston Celtics
    Cleveland Cavaliers
    @ Sacramento Kings
    @ New York Knicks
    Los Angeles Lakers

    not many easy wins there
     
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    My hope is 18-12 the rest of the way. I think, the way we’ve been playing, that is doable. Would make us 41-41. Maybe play-in, maybe not but it’s great runway to next year.
     
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    that is only half of the 30 games. Blazers have several games against shitty teams
     

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