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Also, a team can't use the MLE if they are under the cap.

This might not be correct. LOL will have to check
 
Why would they get a trade exception? And if they did, you can't sign FAs with that... Maybe in a sign and trade?
 
I think we'd be able to make a lopsided trade with the exception.
 
You can't combine your trade exception with your MLE. Any TE we have can only be used on its own. If we're under the cap, then we can make a salary-lopsided trade by the amount we're under the cap.
 
I think the exception would actually be for Webster not Gomes.

And 'm pretty sure can't combine the TPE with our MLE for capspace. We could possibly move the TPE for a player, but it would have to be a one-for-one deal. (Maxie beat me to it)
 
could we hypothetically waive Gomes, get the trade exception then trade Rudy + Exception to Miami for Beasley? Fernandez would be wildly popular in Miami with its lots of latino-type people? :dunno:
 
The Blazers can trade for a contract just under 6M for the 2009-10 season, meaning we would take on a contract near 7M for 2010-11. No one has enough cap space to absorb his contract completely until after his contract becomes guaranteed. Releasing him is not going to create an exception.

Sign and trade is the only way we get a FA worth 10M.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
could we hypothetically waive Gomes, get the trade exception then trade Rudy + Exception to Miami for Beasley? Fernandez would be wildly popular in Miami with its lots of latino-type people? :dunno:
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That's racist... But top Blazer bants!!!!!
 
right now we're over the cap by 55k. You cannot combine MLE with exceptions.

IMO, the ways this could go are:
A) we cut Gomes before July 1. No cap space for us. He's already guaranteed.
B) we trade Gomes (but only by himself) before July 1. We can bring back 3.03M to 4.99M. Or we trade non-simulatenously to someone with cap space, we can get a non-simulatenous exception that only covers 100%+100k of his contract (4.02M coming back or less, minus the value of the player we get). So if we traded him for, say, Beasley, we do a simultaneous one and do one-for-one. If we trade him to, say, OKC for nothing but cap space, we get a 4.017M exception.
C) We trade Gomes by himself after July 8. He can bring back 3.32M to 5.36M, or a 4.38M exception. This is probably less desirable for another team, since his 2010-11 contract is now guaranteed.
D) We package Gomes in a trade after August 23.
I think B's the most likely. He represents the ability to shave at least 2.9M off of your 2011-12, 12-13 cap. For MIA, it lets them get 3 max contracts. For NJN, gives them hope for more. For MIN, SAC, OKC gives them some wiggle room. :dunno: My personal fave is Beasley + a pick or two.

Now, let's say we just get an exception. All that can be used for is to get a player who makes <4.02M. CANNOT be used for FA's. Can be used as part of a bigger trade if you style it the right way, and may allow us to trade LMA or Roy's BYC easier. That's for a different post.
 
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Don't worry guys. Larry Miller and Paul Allen have this all covered.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Can be used as part of a bigger trade if you style it the right way, and may allow us to trade LMA or Roy's BYC easier. That's for a different post.
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I believe the only way it can be combined as part of a bigger trade is if the contract of one of the guys Portland is getting back fits the trade exception's size. In other words, the exception creates its own "slot" within the trade and some discrete part of the return (as opposed to part of a contract Portland is getting) has to fit within that slot.

Which really makes it no different than trading the exception alone. For convenience sake, it can all be part of one deal, but it doesn't make the exception any more useful/versatile.
 
Actually, it does. You can take that trade exception (true, only for a 4.02M player), but add it together to meet the 125% rule.

For instance, assume we want to trade LMA. B/c he's BYC, his value is 5.8M coming back to us, but the other team has to take 10.744M. So the 4.9M difference can only be made up in a trade that involves at least 10.9M coming back (difference / .45...the margin between 125% and 80%). So if were to want to trade LMA straight-up for Jameer Nelson, it wouldn't work b/c ORL can't trade Nelson's 7.6M and get any more than 9.6M back (LMA to them in 10.7M, so no go). If we were to, say, include our 4.02M exception for Bass, the value of our trade going out would then be 5.8+4.02=9.82, and their value coming back is 7.6M + 4M = 11.6M, which meets the 125% rule, so the exception allows you to make a trade that normally you wouldn't be able to.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Actually, it does. You can take that trade exception (true, only for a 4.02M player), but add it together to meet the 125% rule.

For instance, assume we want to trade LMA. B/c he's BYC, his value is 5.8M coming back to us, but the other team has to take 10.744M. So the 4.9M difference can only be made up in a trade that involves at least 10.9M coming back (difference / .45...the margin between 125% and 80%). So if were to want to trade LMA straight-up for Jameer Nelson, it wouldn't work b/c ORL can't trade Nelson's 7.6M and get any more than 9.6M back (LMA to them in 10.7M, so no go). If we were to, say, include our 4.02M exception for Bass, the value of our trade going out would then be 5.8+4.02=9.82, and their value coming back is 7.6M + 4M = 11.6M, which meets the 125% rule, so the exception allows you to make a trade that normally you wouldn't be able to.
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Excellent point, thank you.
 
By the way, other LMA+exception scenarios:

to BOS for 'Sheed's cool retirement savings contract and Big Baby. LOL
to CHA for Gerald Wallace (or Diaw, or SJax) and Augustine
to CLE for Mo Williams and Hickson
to DEN for JR Smith and Birdman
to GSW for Biedrins and Curry (or Wright, or Turiaf)
to HOU for Battier and Brooks
to MEM for Thabeet, Conley and Brewer
to MIL for Magette and Jennings (or Ilyasova)
to NJN for Harris and Yi
to NOH for West and Collison
to OKC for Krstic and Westbrook
to ORL for Nelson and Bass
to SAC for Udrih and Landry (guh)
to UTH for Millsap and Miles
 
We'd need to send Andre and JPEC. Dirk's probably signing for a max for him, which is 5M higher than LBJ. 21M-ish, depending.

You need to send out at least 80% of that, or 16.7M, and can't send more than 26.35M. LMA counts for 10.7, so we'd need between 6.0 and 15.65M.
But since we're taking back that 21M, we have to send out at least 16.7M (not more than 26.35M) and LMA only counts for 5.8M of that. So we'd need to send between 10.9M and 20.55M.

The union of those two is what would work....between 10.9M and 15.65M going to DAL along with LMA. Andre + JPEC is easiest way to do that (14.7). Could also do Camby + Rudy (11.9M). Cannot do Camby + either JPEC or Andre. Need to add three of Bayless, Batum, Rudy, Dante, Pendergraph with Andre or Joel
 
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Don't know if anyone has already said this but you CAN'T combine the MLE with cap space because you don't have a MLE unless you are over the cap. So the trade exception and MLE really have nothing to do with each other at all.
 
Luther said:
Don't know if anyone has already said this but you CAN'T combine the MLE with cap space because you don't have a MLE unless you are over the cap. So the trade exception and MLE really have nothing to do with each other at all.
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The trade exception isn't cap room. But yes, they have little to do with one another since the exception can only be used in trades and the MLE can only be used in free agent signings.
 
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