12-Year-Old Special Education Student Charged With Disorderly Conduct for Wetting Pants

[BALLAHOLLIC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>12-Year-Old Special Education Student Charged With Disorderly Conduct for Wetting PantsDANVILLE, Pa. ? A 12-year-old special education student was charged with disorderly conduct after authorities said she deliberately wet her pants at school.Her mother told the Press Enterprise of Bloomsburg that the girl urinated only because she was frightened by the principal.The girl, whose name was withheld by the newspaper, had worked with her classmates and teachers preparing a holiday lunch at Danville Middle School on Dec. 20. They ate in the library and the girl was told to go to the kitchen to wash some pots and pans, her mother said.After she refused to leave the library, teachers summoned principal Kevin Duckwork, who confronted the girl. She then wet her pants.Her mother said the girl is terrified by Duckwork and has wet herself during previous confrontations with him. She said her daughter has had disciplinary problems at the school but has never become violent.Police Chief Eric Gill said school officials were at "with's end" with the girl, and that they believe her actions were deliberate.School Superintendent Steve Keifer would not discuss the confrontation, but said that as a general rule the police are called only after "all other alternatives are exhausted."Police told the girl's parents they could probably avoid a fine if they agree to have the girl do community service.</div>Somebody sent me this in an email and I had to post it. Danville is pretty close to where I live, It's 45 minutes away. This incident is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, people are power hungry.

 

[RashadzMcCantz]

This is terrible, why would they fine the girl for wetting her pants but at the same time, this girl has some problems. If you're gonna act like some tough sh*t then don't piss in your pants, especially when your 12 years old.

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Jan 6 2007, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is terrible, why would they fine the girl for wetting her pants but at the same time, this girl has some problems. If you're gonna act like some tough sh*t then don't piss in your pants, especially when your 12 years old.</div>Dude, th F*ck? She was SPECIAL ED.Ginger Jesus heard the story last night, but he didn't know she was special ed too. This is a stupid story. The principal scared her and she couldn't control her bladder and they said she somehow wet her pants on purpose?HOW THE HELL DO YOU WET YOUR PANTS ON PURPOSE!?!?!?! WILL SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO GINGER JESUS HOW THE F*ck THAT WORKS?

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 6 2007, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, th F*ck? She was SPECIAL ED.Ginger Jesus heard the story last night, but he didn't know she was special ed too. This is a stupid story. The principal scared her and she couldn't control her bladder and they said she somehow wet her pants on purpose?HOW THE HELL DO YOU WET YOUR PANTS ON PURPOSE!?!?!?! WILL SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO GINGER JESUS HOW THE F*ck THAT WORKS?</div>Just because you are special ed does not mean you're retarded. Many special ed kids just have trouble learning or whatever.Okay, I'll take this one for you. Alright, you know how normally when you go to the bathroom, you pull your pants down or what have you and urinate in the toilet? Well, this girl did the same thing, except she didn't pull her pants down, and she didn't use a toilet. See how that works?

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 6 2007, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just because you are special ed does not mean you're retarded. Many special ed kids just have trouble learning or whatever.Okay, I'll take this one for you. Alright, you know how normally when you go to the bathroom, you pull your pants down or what have you and urinate in the toilet? Well, this girl did the same thing, except she didn't pull her pants down, and she didn't use a toilet. See how that works?</div>... But you can't just walk up to a urinal and go at any time, genius. You have to have a pretty full bladder. The stupid principal said she did it on purpose, and unless she had to go anyway, then she would'nt have been able to go. And if she had to go anyway, then she wouldn't have refused to leave since she had to go to the restroom. Unless, she was MR. So there you are, trapped in a maze.

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 6 2007, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>... But you can't just walk up to a urinal and go at any time, genius. You have to have a pretty full bladder. The stupid principal said she did it on purpose, and unless she had to go anyway, then she would'nt have been able to go. And if she had to go anyway, then she wouldn't have refused to leave since she had to go to the restroom. Unless, she was MR. So there you are, trapped in a maze.</div>Yes, you're right. It is a complete paradox that she could keep herself from going to the bathroom.

 

[Rok]

I can't really elaborate on this as it doesn't specify her condition. But you could both ways on this. Recently this girl that my mom knew around when my brother was 4-5 in our neighborhood was mentally challenged. Well supposedly she was depressed and lied in the middle of the road at night. Two cars ended up hitting her and she died. Pretty shocking when I heard about this. But really when mentally challenged people get mad or sad, you have to keep a close eye on them. I know because my brother has down syndrome. They do things when their upset, that they don't understand the repercussions to.This could be how the girl reacts to when she's confronted. Not deliberate at all. But it really depends on her condition.

 

[iFR3SHi]

Come on. She has problems and you are going to fine for that? I bet if a normal 12 year old pisses their pants by being yelled at the principial wouldn't get fined. She refused well she has some problems so can't fine for that.

 

[yankshater213]

WOW thats F*cked. It's a SPED student... no offense but often they don't know better. Even then, if anyone wet their pants. Disorderly conduct? bullsh**.

 

[The`Dream]

I had no idea that ElMaster was Special Ed.....In all serious though, this is stupid. Obviously this person has needs and may have some disabilties.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

That retarded girl needs to be spanked, what a brat.

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 6 2007, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That retarded girl needs to be spanked, what a brat.</div>

 

[Justice]

I'm sorry, but I really can't understand why you think the school is just full of assholes. I highly doubt the school did this for no reason. The mother herself said that the girl has had disciplinary problems in the past. I wouldn't put it past a disorderly student to do this on purpose, special ed or not.And S2S's logic is highly flawed.Edit: Oh, and if they are being so unfair, that doesn't explain why they singled out this student. They have tons of students... you think they just picked one that had did something on accident to be mean to her? Give me a break.

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 6 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, but I really can't understand why you think the school is just full of assholes. I highly doubt the school did this for no reason. The mother herself said that the girl has had disciplinary problems in the past. I wouldn't put it past a disorderly student to do this on purpose, special ed or not.And S2S's logic is highly flawed.Edit: Oh, and if they are being so unfair, that doesn't explain why they singled out this student. They have tons of students... you think they just picked one that had did something on accident to be mean to her? Give me a break.</div>I guess you're not tolerant of mentally challenged people... :/

 

[Wade3]

That's extremely dumb... Way over the edge.

 

[Vicki842]

Special education has a wide spectrum of disabilities. We don't know this girl's condition but, if you are in special education and not general education, then it's obvious you have special needs. The problem is teachers are so underpaid that they choose to work with special needs kids just for the pay increase however, most of them don't have the patience to deal with those kids. I blame the system. That poor little girl needs help....

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 7 2007, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess you're not tolerant of mentally challenged people... :/</div>THE ARTICLE DOESN'T SAY SHE'S MENTALLY CHALLENGED.Edit: And where your logic fails is that you seem to think that she could only be mentally challenged if she wet herself. That's almost backwards, actually. If she were mentally challenged and has a problem with wetting herself all the time, she would wear diapers. Furthermore, if you're trying to be a brat and want to piss yourself, you can do it. I have a hard time believing they're just trying to pick on a retarded person. Does that seriously make sense to you or are you just being contrary?

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 7 2007, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>THE ARTICLE DOESN'T SAY SHE'S MENTALLY CHALLENGED.Edit: And where your logic fails is that you seem to think that she could only be mentally challenged if she wet herself. That's almost backwards, actually. If she were mentally challenged and has a problem with wetting herself all the time, she would wear diapers. Furthermore, if you're trying to be a brat and want to piss yourself, you can do it. I have a hard time believing they're just trying to pick on a retarded person. Does that seriously make sense to you or are you just being contrary?</div>Yes it makes sense. Thousands of people in this country have a hatred of kids that don't learn well, gays, jews, and the like.Nobody said she had a problem wetting herself ALL the time, the whole point is that the principal did something that severely frightened her, causing her to wet herself.You ask if it makes sense that they would frame her.Does it really make sense that anyone NOT mentally challenged would wet themselves on purpose? Who the hell would pee in their pants on purpose? No one. Unless they were mentally ill.

 

[Justice]

[quote name='Ginger Jesus' post='252857' date='Jan 8 2007, 04:25 PM']Yes it makes sense. Thousands of people in this country have a hatred of kids that don't learn well, gays, jews, and the like.[/quote]Hahaha, yeah. A police department and a school are out to get the retards. Genocide, sure.[quote name='Ginger Jesus' post='252857' date='Jan 8 2007, 04:25 PM']Nobody said she had a problem wetting herself ALL the time, the whole point is that the principal did something that severely frightened her, causing her to wet herself.[/quote]By your logic, it still doesn't make sense then. If she knows how to control her bladder, then she would have also had to have gone to the bathroom when they asked her to leave the library. Why do you think she would go to the bathroom if she wasn't, but if she was she wouldn't? That doesn't make any sense at all. Even if she was frightened, she would still need a full bladder, as you say.[quote name='Ginger Jesus' post='252857' date='Jan 8 2007, 04:25 PM']Does it really make sense that anyone NOT mentally challenged would wet themselves on purpose? Who the hell would pee in their pants on purpose? No one. Unless they were mentally ill.[/quote]So you are saying she peed herself on purpose because she was retarded.And actually, to answer your question, yes a non-mentally ill person would. When I was in Geometry in high school, this kid asked to go to the restroom. The teacher (I can't remember if it was the permanent teacher or a sub) told him he could not go. A few minutes later, he had a wet spot. She let him go after that.I am going to trust a school and a police department over a 12-year-old with a history of disciplinary problems.[quote name='Ginger Jesus' post='251933' date='Jan 7 2007, 05:20 PM']I guess you're not tolerant of mentally challenged people... :/[/quote]OH OH I get it now hahaha. I tolerate you plenty! You're not that dumb though, S2S.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 8 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hahaha, yeah. A police department and a school are out to get the retards. Genocide, sure.By your logic, it still doesn't make sense then. If she knows how to control her bladder, then she would have also had to have gone to the bathroom when they asked her to leave the library. Why do you think she would go to the bathroom if she wasn't, but if she was she wouldn't? That doesn't make any sense at all. Even if she was frightened, she would still need a full bladder, as you say.So you are saying she peed herself on purpose because she was retarded.And actually, to answer your question, yes a non-mentally ill person would. When I was in Geometry in high school, this kid asked to go to the restroom. The teacher (I can't remember if it was the permanent teacher or a sub) told him he could not go. A few minutes later, he had a wet spot. She let him go after that.OH OH I get it now hahaha. I tolerate you plenty! You're not that dumb though, S2S.</div>... OK well if the police dept. isn't out to get retards, why has that happened recently? I'd say it's more than possible.And I'm not saying she knew how to control her bladder. That's the whole point. She was SCARED bad enough that her bladder loosened and went. And what the hell does your geometry story have to do with anything? The kid didn't really go on purpose. If you wait for too long you eventually can't hold it and you go. He had the urge to go, not on purpose.

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>... OK well if the police dept. isn't out to get retards, why has that happened recently? I'd say it's more than possible.And I'm not saying she knew how to control her bladder. That's the whole point. She was SCARED bad enough that her bladder loosened and went. And what the hell does your geometry story have to do with anything? The kid didn't really go on purpose. If you wait for too long you eventually can't hold it and you go. He had the urge to go, not on purpose.</div>Examples? How have the police been "out to get retards"?Okay, so you are saying she had the ability to control her bladder when she didn't want to leave the library but not when she was "frightened" by the principal. That's pretty contradictory in my opinion. You're just making your logic fit your opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of logic in the first place.He did go on purpose. That was the point of the story. You're certainly not stupid enough to think that a 16 year old student can't hold it for 30 minutes, are you?

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 8 2007, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Examples? How have the police been "out to get retards"?Okay, so you are saying she had the ability to control her bladder when she didn't want to leave the library but not when she was "frightened" by the principal. That's pretty contradictory in my opinion. You're just making your logic fit your opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of logic in the first place.He did go on purpose. That was the point of the story. You're certainly not stupid enough to think that a 16 year old student can't hold it for 30 minutes, are you?</div>Were you under a rock? There was the whole thing in N.O. about the cops just randomly gunning down a mentally ill person.I'm saying that she didn't have to go to the restroom until the principal showed up and scared her. That's what I get out of the story.The thing I'm saying as I said originally is that he didn't entirely go on purpose. You can't go, as I've tried to teach you, unless you have the urge. That kid could'nt have gone unless his bladder was full enough to start pushing the liquid out.

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Were you under a rock? There was the whole thing in N.O. about the cops just randomly gunning down a mentally ill person.I'm saying that she didn't have to go to the restroom until the principal showed up and scared her. That's what I get out of the story.The thing I'm saying as I said originally is that he didn't entirely go on purpose. You can't go, as I've tried to teach you, unless you have the urge. That kid could'nt have gone unless his bladder was full enough to start pushing the liquid out.</div>I knew you were going to bring that up, but it's a very very poor example. It's an isolated incident for one. There's no evidence of that happening anywhere else to my knowledge. Then there's the fact that you have no idea whether they knew that man was mentally challenged (By the way, calling it an illness is wrong... it's not an illness. They have it for life.). For all you know, they saw that he was black and gunned him down. For all you know, they just saw a silouette and fired. If they had lined up and shot him that would be one thing. All I know is that they shot him in the back. That tells me nothing about how police in a completely different area feel about retarded people, unless you know something about the situation that I don't. I'm pretty sure you don't.Yes, that is what you get out of the story. Like I said, you are fitting your logic to the story rather than the other way around, which is exactly what they want you to do.So what, you can't do anything on purpose just because you have the urge to do so? If I have don't have the urge to kill you, I won't. But once I get the urge, it's not on purpose? Okay. Anyway, you really have no idea what "on purpose" means, so I can't argue with someone who can't even define the terms which he is arguing about. Anybody who is potty trained has the ability to hold it or go. If you can't understand that, then I give you even more credit than you deserve.

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 8 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I knew you were going to bring that up, but it's a very very poor example. It's an isolated incident for one. There's no evidence of that happening anywhere else to my knowledge. Then there's the fact that you have no idea whether they knew that man was mentally challenged (By the way, calling it an illness is wrong... it's not an illness. They have it for life.).</div>lol it is too an illness. AIDS is an illness, people have that for life. Cancer is an illness you can have that for life.

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol it is too an illness. AIDS is an illness, people have that for life. Cancer is an illness you can have that for life.</div>owned.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>By most definitions it is more accurately considered a disability rather than a disease. It can be distinguished in many ways from mental illness, such as schizophrenia or depression.</div>

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 9 2007, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>owned.</div>lol Yeah right. Like wikipedia is credible.

 

[Delonte4Prez]

I think there was probably other ways to go about disciplining the child and I think wetting your pants is not really a reason to file suit on the girl. But I will bring up a point that bothers me a lot. I think as a whole this nation gives challenged or disabled people a free pass on EVERYTHING. If I go up to a girl and lift up her shirt and cop a feel I get arrested. If a mentally challenged person does the same thing he will be charged but if it is fought in court its almost assured that he is just "curious" or doesn't understand the reprocussions of his actions. Given that there is a line, I think whats wrong is wrong and unless there is something specifically hindering your ability to perform in the given situation there is no line for it. People act like these people have no clue of whats going on around them when they are essentially just like us just with minor deficiencies. If they attend school there is a great chance there is no MAJOR problem. You are taught wrong from right at a young age, its the most stressed thing in our youth, regardless of our functions or defeciencies and to say that someone with a handicap is automatically forgiven for something that is just flat out wrong is not right in my eyes.[/end rant]

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 9 2007, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol Yeah right. Like wikipedia is credible.</div>Actually, it is very credible in some rights.But here are some more links that disagree with you: link (see "description of mental retardation"), link2, link3 (the so-called "best answer" is pretty poor, but some other replies are good).Mental retardation is not an illness. You are born with it and you die with it. It's caused pretty much solely by genetics, not a virus or damaged DNA as with AIDS or cancer, respectively. Mental retardation can cause mental illness, but is not itself an illness. To say that you live your whole life with cancer is just false. Most of the time it can be treated or operated on. As for HIV/AIDS, it can also be treated, and we'll most likely be able to immunize it in the future just like with smallpox. You cannot operate on retardation, you can't cure it, and you can't immunize against it. It's not an illness in any sense of the word.

 

[Memphology]

I got to wikipedia for EVERYTHING. They are extremely credible.

 

[Something-To-Say]

AIDS and Cancer aren't really curable. And they won't be.