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For all of you who keep insisting he is a good player because he scores, take a look. According to the +/- system in the NBA, Travis was the worst player last night.


THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME THAN SCORING
 
Well I don't think the plus/minus from last night is really very telling because almost everyone had a negative. Now you could certainly argue that inserting Travis into the lineup screwed with everything and perhaps caused the offense to be so stagnant but I do not think the plus/minus alone is telling from last night as it was so lopsided.
 
Well given that logic . . .LA was the third worst player that night and Bayless with his 1-5 shooting 0 asts and 2 To was the best Blazer player that night.

And Fisher and Radmanovic were the best Laker playres . . . better than Kobe.

There is more to the game than yahoo's +/- system.
 
+/- is the worst fucking logic in all of sports during a blowout..good Lord people..sometimes I really can't stand our fans.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For all of you who keep insisting he is a good player because he scores, take a look. According to the +/- system in the NBA, Travis was the worst player last night.


THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME THAN SCORING
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sorry but that one number doesn't really tell very much especially in this isolated case. there are plenty of possible explanations such as him potentially playing more minutes against the laker starters than anyone else, him playing more minutes with portland's bench players than anyone else, etc. off the top of my head just from watching the game, i have no idea if either of those would be true or if there is another explanation but there are plenty of ways a simple +/- can be flawed even moreso when using such a small sample size.

and just look at a couple of other things. in 35 minutes outlaw was -18. in just 23 minutes blake was -15. in just 13 minutes oden was -13. in just 5 minutes sergio was -6. wouldn't the +/- be suggesting that they were all actually worse than outlaw?
 
I thought Outlaw played poor defense on Kobe in the second half, Many times, he just blew past the defenders and there was no help in the post. Outlaw seemed to give Kobe a lot of spacing, and wasn't very good at defense.

Aldridge also took the "soft" out of Gasoft....Pau totally had his way with him, offensively and defensively.
 
rocketeer said:
sorry but that one number doesn't really tell very much especially in this isolated case. there are plenty of possible explanations such as him potentially playing more minutes against the laker starters than anyone else, him playing more minutes with portland's bench players than anyone else, etc. off the top of my head just from watching the game, i have no idea if either of those would be true or if there is another explanation but there are plenty of ways a simple +/- can be flawed even moreso when using such a small sample size.

and just look at a couple of other things. in 35 minutes outlaw was -18. in just 23 minutes blake was -15. in just 13 minutes oden was -13. in just 5 minutes sergio was -6. wouldn't the +/- be suggesting that they were all actually worse than outlaw?
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All true, but MM believes the halfcourt offense is the root of all evil - ergo being effective in that role is worse than stinking things up at both ends! :devilwink:
 
People can post blaming this player or that all they want. The whole team played bad, even the guys who had "good" games were not really that good. IMO the Blazers were lucky they didn't lose this game by 40+.
 
MM -

I agree with your premise...Outlaw is a one trick Pony...but I don't value +\- as an indicator...and compared to how badly everyone else not named Rudy Fernandez played last night...He played rather well....

but then again his shot was falling....
 
Look, everyone knows my take, but I'm amazed at how last year many people (though I don't know about any of you, I never went to BBF) thought that the definitive # for how much Sergio sucked was his +/-, even though it was in 9 minutes a game while generally playing SG to Jack's PG.

Now it doesn't matter, b/c Travis scored 18, and we should've lost by 40? What gives?
 
I've never been a fan of +/-, its a really shitty way to look at things. You have to actually watch the game, I can stand box score junkies.
 
+/- stat is terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.

Btw, Channing Frye was by far the worst player on the court last night. He's a useless 6-10 body.
 
god, him jacking up those 3's was terrible. He really was Lamarcus Aldridge light last night.....LMA played horribly too. I thought he was the main reason for our loss, he should have been more agressive, and played his game. Portland looked very discombobulated.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For all of you who keep insisting he is a good player because he scores, take a look. According to the +/- system in the NBA, Travis was the worst player last night.


THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME THAN SCORING
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That's RIDICULOUS. When he was in the game, everyone else was MISSING shots. He was the only one who could score. It's nothing against him that Roy and Oden were missing easy shots inside.
 
If you think Outlaw held us back last night, you weren't watching the game. He hit a couple wide open threes off of Roy penetration. Was he supposed to miss those shots?
 
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